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I've posted a bunch of articles from a multitude of sources that say your precious EU is getting g-checked
The Russian Invasion of Ukraine has Begun. Its on.
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I've posted a bunch of articles from a multitude of sources that say your precious EU is getting g-checked
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Russia has low key invaded east Ukraine. Its not even up for debate. I despise Putin, but he knew nato and the eu wouldn't do shyt, so he did it. He's good at what he does 
The interesting thing is how weak this makes nato look. Sure, Ukraine wasn't a member, but still.
Putin is a lion and obama is more a cheetah or leopard. We don't want none
Maybe we can bite the back of the neck of their economy...i doubt it
The interesting thing is how weak this makes nato look. Sure, Ukraine wasn't a member, but still.
Putin is a lion and obama is more a cheetah or leopard. We don't want none
Maybe we can bite the back of the neck of their economy...i doubt it
This shyt lost its appeal once they put an end to Mad Max beyond Kievdome, Eastern Ukraine is dull they need to let Russia stir trouble in Kiev. I want my molotov catapults and hooligan mobs attacking police again.
can't front, that shyt was dope.
The Marine Corps Stores Huge Amounts Of Armor And Weaponry In Norwegian Caves
United States Marine Corps
Armored variants of the M1114 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV) are transported by truck from a ship offload location to one of six caves which make up the Marine Corps Prepositioning Program-Norway during an equipment modernization operation.
Norway sits at the pinnacle of the UN's Human Development Index, and the world's most advanced country (by that metric, at least) has a national defense policy to match. Norway was one of the world's top twenty weapons importers between 2008 and 2012, and collaborates with the U.S. on major defense projects like the F-35 joint strike fighter jet. Its leaders have an laudably strategic approach to securing the country's vital interests, and it's one of NATO's more well-equipped and well-prepared European member states.
Norway also shares a 120-mile land border with Russia. And at the same time a heavily-armed Russian convey draws ever closer to eastern Ukraine — raising the possibility of another escalation in the Ukraine's already-restive east — the U.S. Marine Corps is re-supplying a vital pre-positioning site in central Norway.
The resupply mission, ostensibly aimed at replacing equipment used during a February 2014 cold weather training exercise, began before the Russian convoy departed and isn't in any way connected to events in Ukraine. Still, the resupply of a 30-year-old system of subterranean pre-positioning sites shows how Norway is still relevant to NATO and the U.S.'s defense posture. The end-result of the re-supply is that the U.S. — and by extension the NATO alliance — has 400 vehicles and 300 containers' worth of equipment close to Russia's border with Scandinavian Europe, at a time when Moscow seems resistant to most forms of Western diplomatic and economic pressure.
And as The Washington Post reported last week, this latest re-supply will leave the site with an unprecedented stash of American weaponry, including "M1A1 Abrams battle tanks, armored amphibious assault vehicles that can swim from Navy ships to shore, armored Humvee gun trucks," marking "the first time that the tanks and several other kinds of vehicles will be allowed in the caves. That includes the Marine Corps’ Assault Breacher Vehicle, a 72-ton vehicle that has a tank chassis, but has been outfitted to clear improvised explosive devices with a plow and line that can be shot 150 yards ahead of the vehicle with explosives on it."
The Norwegian pre-positioning program began in 1981, after Norway's leaders decided that the deterrent effect of a U.S. weapons stash was worth the potential complications of becoming such a close adjunct of the U.S.'s Cold War defense policies. This was a particularly tense period of the Cold War, just after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Today, the Marines still store weapons and materiel in six climate-controlled caves in Trondheim, in central Norway. The Trondheim complex is designed to support a "notional" battle-ready contingent of 16,000 Marines and sailors with 30-days worth of supplies.
United States Marine Corps
M1A1 Abrams Main Battle Tanks and other vehicles and equipment are staged for transportation at the designated offload pier during a pre-planned Single Ship Movement and offload of military equipment from a Maritime Prepositioning Force ship in the Trøndelag region of Norway in a photo published on August 13, 2014.
The Trondheim stash was a Cold War development, and a relic of a time when Norway was one of NATO's front-line states with the Soviet Union. A 1991 Rand corporation report reviewed a number of Soviet invasion scenarios of Norway and determined that along the country's rocky and easily-garrisoned coastline, a single NATO brigade could hold off an entire Soviet division.
The notion of conventional ground warfare in Scandinavia seemed less absurd 23 years ago than it might today. NATO was built for a confrontation with the Soviet bloc. And in a nightmare scenario — vague but plausible, during the Soviet Union's final chaotic years — the Soviets could pressure western Europe through establishing a foothold in Norway's sparsely populated arctic north.
The Marine Corp's strategic pre-positioning in central Norway would not just deter this kind of aggression: according to the Rand report, it would also allow the NATO states to compensate for a projected seven-day head-start that the Soviets would have on their adversaries if they ever did decide to move on western or central Europe.
Two decades after the fall of the Soviet Union, these calculations are jarringly anachronistic. If the idea of Norway as a potential battlefield is a bit outdated, the pre-positioning caves are not. They were used as way-stations for equipment during the U.S.'s Iraq and Afghanistan missions. The Department of Defense has a highly-regimented identification and maintenance regimen in place for Trondheim, as explained through this somewhat bewildering infographic:
U.S. Department of Defense
As Putin increases pressure Ukraine — and projects the impression that he might move his military into the country — the U.S. has built an ever-growing stash of military assets under a mountain in one of Russia's neighbors. These two developments aren't directly linked. But they show how at least some aspects of Cold War defense policy have endured.
And Trondheim gives NATO and the U.S. some additional flexibility, and perhaps some deterrence capacity, if the ongoing crisis between Russia and the West ever spirals out of control.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mari...cles-in-a-cave-in-norway-2014-8#ixzz3AkP1DWCY
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United States Marine Corps
Armored variants of the M1114 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV) are transported by truck from a ship offload location to one of six caves which make up the Marine Corps Prepositioning Program-Norway during an equipment modernization operation.
Norway sits at the pinnacle of the UN's Human Development Index, and the world's most advanced country (by that metric, at least) has a national defense policy to match. Norway was one of the world's top twenty weapons importers between 2008 and 2012, and collaborates with the U.S. on major defense projects like the F-35 joint strike fighter jet. Its leaders have an laudably strategic approach to securing the country's vital interests, and it's one of NATO's more well-equipped and well-prepared European member states.
Norway also shares a 120-mile land border with Russia. And at the same time a heavily-armed Russian convey draws ever closer to eastern Ukraine — raising the possibility of another escalation in the Ukraine's already-restive east — the U.S. Marine Corps is re-supplying a vital pre-positioning site in central Norway.
The resupply mission, ostensibly aimed at replacing equipment used during a February 2014 cold weather training exercise, began before the Russian convoy departed and isn't in any way connected to events in Ukraine. Still, the resupply of a 30-year-old system of subterranean pre-positioning sites shows how Norway is still relevant to NATO and the U.S.'s defense posture. The end-result of the re-supply is that the U.S. — and by extension the NATO alliance — has 400 vehicles and 300 containers' worth of equipment close to Russia's border with Scandinavian Europe, at a time when Moscow seems resistant to most forms of Western diplomatic and economic pressure.
And as The Washington Post reported last week, this latest re-supply will leave the site with an unprecedented stash of American weaponry, including "M1A1 Abrams battle tanks, armored amphibious assault vehicles that can swim from Navy ships to shore, armored Humvee gun trucks," marking "the first time that the tanks and several other kinds of vehicles will be allowed in the caves. That includes the Marine Corps’ Assault Breacher Vehicle, a 72-ton vehicle that has a tank chassis, but has been outfitted to clear improvised explosive devices with a plow and line that can be shot 150 yards ahead of the vehicle with explosives on it."
The Norwegian pre-positioning program began in 1981, after Norway's leaders decided that the deterrent effect of a U.S. weapons stash was worth the potential complications of becoming such a close adjunct of the U.S.'s Cold War defense policies. This was a particularly tense period of the Cold War, just after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Today, the Marines still store weapons and materiel in six climate-controlled caves in Trondheim, in central Norway. The Trondheim complex is designed to support a "notional" battle-ready contingent of 16,000 Marines and sailors with 30-days worth of supplies.
United States Marine Corps
M1A1 Abrams Main Battle Tanks and other vehicles and equipment are staged for transportation at the designated offload pier during a pre-planned Single Ship Movement and offload of military equipment from a Maritime Prepositioning Force ship in the Trøndelag region of Norway in a photo published on August 13, 2014.
The Trondheim stash was a Cold War development, and a relic of a time when Norway was one of NATO's front-line states with the Soviet Union. A 1991 Rand corporation report reviewed a number of Soviet invasion scenarios of Norway and determined that along the country's rocky and easily-garrisoned coastline, a single NATO brigade could hold off an entire Soviet division.
The notion of conventional ground warfare in Scandinavia seemed less absurd 23 years ago than it might today. NATO was built for a confrontation with the Soviet bloc. And in a nightmare scenario — vague but plausible, during the Soviet Union's final chaotic years — the Soviets could pressure western Europe through establishing a foothold in Norway's sparsely populated arctic north.
The Marine Corp's strategic pre-positioning in central Norway would not just deter this kind of aggression: according to the Rand report, it would also allow the NATO states to compensate for a projected seven-day head-start that the Soviets would have on their adversaries if they ever did decide to move on western or central Europe.
Two decades after the fall of the Soviet Union, these calculations are jarringly anachronistic. If the idea of Norway as a potential battlefield is a bit outdated, the pre-positioning caves are not. They were used as way-stations for equipment during the U.S.'s Iraq and Afghanistan missions. The Department of Defense has a highly-regimented identification and maintenance regimen in place for Trondheim, as explained through this somewhat bewildering infographic:
U.S. Department of Defense
As Putin increases pressure Ukraine — and projects the impression that he might move his military into the country — the U.S. has built an ever-growing stash of military assets under a mountain in one of Russia's neighbors. These two developments aren't directly linked. But they show how at least some aspects of Cold War defense policy have endured.
And Trondheim gives NATO and the U.S. some additional flexibility, and perhaps some deterrence capacity, if the ongoing crisis between Russia and the West ever spirals out of control.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mari...cles-in-a-cave-in-norway-2014-8#ixzz3AkP1DWCY
Putin Military Doctrine: Win By Lying
REUTERS/Alexei Druzhinin
Russia's President Vladimir Putin (L) and his Egyptian counterpart Abdel Fattah al-Sisi attend a welcoming ceremony onboard guided missile cruiser Moskva at the Black Sea port of Sochi, August 12, 2014.
Let’s be honest. We all know that the 280 giant white-draped trucks that have been zigzagging through the southwestern part of Russia for the last week are not merely a benevolent gift that Russia is sending to the besieged people of eastern Ukraine: tons of grain, first-aid kits, baby food.
Those of us in the West who write about the conflict, those who read about the conflict, and those who make policy relating to the conflict — we all know that this so-called humanitarian convoy is, at best, designed as an excuse for further Russian military intervention in Ukraine, and at worst is a Trojan horse, itself carrying military personnel and munitions. We know for a fact that Moscow has lied about having secured Kiev’s and the Red Cross’ cooperation and consent for the convoy. And yet we continue to go along with the charade, pretending to believe it may be all food, bandages, and good intentions until proved otherwise.
This is the Putin military doctrine: He wins by lying.
Western politicians and journalists and even media consumers, of course, also often lie — about wars, among other things — but these nonsystematic lies are child’s play compared with the art of lying as practiced by Putin’s Russia. Bald-faced lying is the one tactic Putin has used consistently through the six months of his Ukrainian incursion. It works every time, precisely because he and his Western counterparts are playing by different sets of rules: Every time, the West has to accept Putin’s version of events until it can be disproved beyond a reasonable doubt, and even then he gets to claim any area that remains gray.
Russia is not sponsoring other people’s terrorism; it is waging an illegal war against a neighboring country.
He got to annex Crimea before his assertion that the Russian military was not there was exposed as the lie it was. Because his claim that the Russian military is not in eastern Ukraine has not been definitively disproved, Western media and politicians continue to call the fighters “separatist rebels” or “pro-Russian” or “Russian-backed separatists.”
We all know that these are armies formed and armed by Russian military and intelligence officers, but we know this the same way we know the “humanitarian convoy” is a lie: without being able to prove it. So the strongest term Western media or politicians have applied to these fighters is terrorists, which is not strong enough — calling these people terrorists defines them as nonstate actors. Nor is the suggestion that Russia should be labeled a state sponsor of terrorism strong enough. Russia is not sponsoring other people’s terrorism; it is waging an illegal war against a neighboring country.
Here lies the chasm between the West’s and Putin’s assumptions. From the Western point of view, war is legal as long as the relevant conventions are observed. This concept makes it possible to help and protect civilians, to an extent, while war is going on, and to prosecute war criminals after it’s over. It also makes it possible to negotiate cease-fires and, eventually, peace settlements. From the Russian point of view, all is fair. The side that lies wins. If all is fair, you’d have to be an idiot not to lie.
Idiots are whom Putin sees when he looks at the West. He keeps doing the same thing, and the West never learns: It still goes along with the lie for at least some time. Even in the open-and-shut case of the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, there were hours and days when Putin got to lie outright, and some doubt as to the particulars still lingers. And look at those idiots following a bunch of white trucks around Russia for days! Hell, these trucks could be empty for all they know, and they could snake along the border for months to come, and still the West wouldn’t be the wiser.
What can Western media and politicians, and the Western public, do to avoid being played for fools every time? Nothing. As long as Side A admits no laws, rules, or morals and Side B attempts to observe them, Side A will win every round. But if Side B gives up on its principles, it will be truly defeated.
Read more: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ance_for_putin_to_play_the.html#ixzz3AkPw35wm
- AUG. 17, 2014, 3:08 PM
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REUTERS/Alexei Druzhinin
Russia's President Vladimir Putin (L) and his Egyptian counterpart Abdel Fattah al-Sisi attend a welcoming ceremony onboard guided missile cruiser Moskva at the Black Sea port of Sochi, August 12, 2014.
Let’s be honest. We all know that the 280 giant white-draped trucks that have been zigzagging through the southwestern part of Russia for the last week are not merely a benevolent gift that Russia is sending to the besieged people of eastern Ukraine: tons of grain, first-aid kits, baby food.
Those of us in the West who write about the conflict, those who read about the conflict, and those who make policy relating to the conflict — we all know that this so-called humanitarian convoy is, at best, designed as an excuse for further Russian military intervention in Ukraine, and at worst is a Trojan horse, itself carrying military personnel and munitions. We know for a fact that Moscow has lied about having secured Kiev’s and the Red Cross’ cooperation and consent for the convoy. And yet we continue to go along with the charade, pretending to believe it may be all food, bandages, and good intentions until proved otherwise.
This is the Putin military doctrine: He wins by lying.
Western politicians and journalists and even media consumers, of course, also often lie — about wars, among other things — but these nonsystematic lies are child’s play compared with the art of lying as practiced by Putin’s Russia. Bald-faced lying is the one tactic Putin has used consistently through the six months of his Ukrainian incursion. It works every time, precisely because he and his Western counterparts are playing by different sets of rules: Every time, the West has to accept Putin’s version of events until it can be disproved beyond a reasonable doubt, and even then he gets to claim any area that remains gray.
Russia is not sponsoring other people’s terrorism; it is waging an illegal war against a neighboring country.
He got to annex Crimea before his assertion that the Russian military was not there was exposed as the lie it was. Because his claim that the Russian military is not in eastern Ukraine has not been definitively disproved, Western media and politicians continue to call the fighters “separatist rebels” or “pro-Russian” or “Russian-backed separatists.”
We all know that these are armies formed and armed by Russian military and intelligence officers, but we know this the same way we know the “humanitarian convoy” is a lie: without being able to prove it. So the strongest term Western media or politicians have applied to these fighters is terrorists, which is not strong enough — calling these people terrorists defines them as nonstate actors. Nor is the suggestion that Russia should be labeled a state sponsor of terrorism strong enough. Russia is not sponsoring other people’s terrorism; it is waging an illegal war against a neighboring country.
Here lies the chasm between the West’s and Putin’s assumptions. From the Western point of view, war is legal as long as the relevant conventions are observed. This concept makes it possible to help and protect civilians, to an extent, while war is going on, and to prosecute war criminals after it’s over. It also makes it possible to negotiate cease-fires and, eventually, peace settlements. From the Russian point of view, all is fair. The side that lies wins. If all is fair, you’d have to be an idiot not to lie.
Idiots are whom Putin sees when he looks at the West. He keeps doing the same thing, and the West never learns: It still goes along with the lie for at least some time. Even in the open-and-shut case of the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, there were hours and days when Putin got to lie outright, and some doubt as to the particulars still lingers. And look at those idiots following a bunch of white trucks around Russia for days! Hell, these trucks could be empty for all they know, and they could snake along the border for months to come, and still the West wouldn’t be the wiser.
What can Western media and politicians, and the Western public, do to avoid being played for fools every time? Nothing. As long as Side A admits no laws, rules, or morals and Side B attempts to observe them, Side A will win every round. But if Side B gives up on its principles, it will be truly defeated.
Read more: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ance_for_putin_to_play_the.html#ixzz3AkPw35wm
EUROPE22 August 2014 Last updated at 09:25 ET
Ukraine crisis: Russia aid convoy 'invades Ukraine'
Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko has accused Russia of a "flagrant violation of international law" after Russian humanitarian aid lorries entered Ukraine without permission.
More than 100 Russian lorries had entered on Friday without any customs clearance or Red Cross escort, he said.
The aid is destined for civilians in the east Ukraine war zone, especially the rebel-held city of Luhansk.
Russia accused Ukraine of unreasonable obstruction and sent the convoy in.
Ukraine's security chief Valentyn Nalyvaychenko said it was a "direct invasion" but no force would be used against the convoy.
Reports suggest the lorries are being escorted by rebel fighters.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said it was not part of the convoy "in any way".
Russia's foreign ministry has warned Ukraine not to take any action against the convoy, without specifying the consequences.
In a statement (in Russian), President Poroshenko said "a column of more than 100 vehicles entered Ukrainian territory without a customs inspection, without border control or International Red Cross escort, which is a flagrant violation of international law".
Analysis: Daniel Sandford, BBC News
The risk of the Russian aid convoy causing a further deterioration in relations with Ukraine is now very high. Because the International Committee of the Red Cross is not part of the convoy, the government in Kiev may choose not to recognise it as a humanitarian mission.
The lorries are currently being accompanied by pro-Russian gunmen. So the convoy is likely to be stopped at the front line near the besieged city of Luhansk. Or if it tries to work its way around the Ukrainian government forces, there is a risk of it being attacked - accidentally or intentionally.
The Russian foreign ministry has already a clear sent warning that if the convoy is attacked, Moscow may take action.
Ukraine fears that the aid convoy of at least 260 lorries, which arrived at the border more than a week ago, is part of a broader Russian intervention in eastern Ukraine.
Russia denies accusations that it arms and trains the rebels in Luhansk and the neighbouring region of Donetsk, where four months of fighting have left more than 2,000 people dead and caused more than 330,000 people to flee their homes.
The rebel-held city of Luhansk has been without running water, power and phone communications for 20 days as government forces besiege it.
Condemnation
"We are saying that this is a direct invasion," said Mr Nalyvaychenko in Kiev. "Under the cynical guise of the Red Cross, these are military vehicles."
However, he added that Ukraine would not use any force against the convoy as it wished to avoid "provocations".
Another, unnamed Ukrainian government official told BBC News in Kiev: "All responsibility lies with the Russian side - not with the terrorists, but specifically the Russian side, because this is their decision."
Ukraine's foreign ministry called on "international partners" to unite in condemning Russia's "illegal and aggressive actions".
Dozens of lorries have entered Ukrainian territory, moving out of the no-man's land between the Russian and Ukrainian border posts.
Reporters at the scene saw rebel fighters in front of the convoy as it passed over the border in a rebel-held sector near the Russian town of Kamensk-Shakhtinsky.
It is normally a drive of about two hours from the lorries' camp to the city of Luhansk.
However, it is unclear if the convoy will be able to use the motorway there because of continuing combat between rebels and government forces.
Citing "heavy shelling overnight" in Luhansk, an ICRC spokesperson in Moscow said it had concluded that it had not "received the necessary security guarantees from the fighting parties to allow us to escort the convoy at this time".
Warning
"Our humanitarian aid convoy is starting to move towards Luhansk," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement (in Russian).
"We are warning against any attempts to sabotage this purely humanitarian mission, which was prepared a long time ago, in an atmosphere of full transparency and in co-operation with the Ukrainian side and the ICRC," the Russian foreign ministry said.
Delays in Ukrainian clearance for the convoy had "become unbearable", it said.
"All excuses for blocking the delivery of aid to people in the area where this humanitarian catastrophe is happening have been exhausted," it added.
"The Russian side has decided to act. Our convoy carrying humanitarian aid is beginning to move towards Luhansk."
Foreign journalists were allowed to look into the Russian lorries earlier and found they contained humanitarian supplies such as baby food and cereals.
In a statement on its website (in Russian), Luhansk's official council reported on Friday that the dire situation in the city remained unchanged with no halt in the bombardment.
This shyt lost its appeal once they put an end to Mad Max beyond Kievdome, Eastern Ukraine is dull they need to let Russia stir trouble in Kiev. I want my molotov catapults and hooligan mobs attacking police again.
Its begun
Spidey Man
Superstar
The Ukraine might as well start shooting at those trucks. Russia is going to invade no matter what, and chances are they will win no matter what, so where's the harm in getting a few cheap wins and blowing up every Russian "aid" truck that crosses the boarder?
Futuristic Eskimo
All Star
Were all impressed with your ability to seize Ukrainian provinces"Russia must, Russia must, Russia must..."
Or fukk you gonna do?
What are you people waiting on to finish the job if you don't give a fukk about what the West says, though? Been busy with other stuff?
I think, as a second class citizen, you should purchase a vest.Were all impressed with your ability to seize Ukrainian provinces
What are you people waiting on to finish the job if you don't give a fukk about what the West says, though? Been busy with other stuff?
I don't know whether it can help to stay alive after eight bullets from close range though.
This should be your concern now. And remember, Obama says you should stay calm.
Futuristic Eskimo
All Star
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhataboutismI think, as a second class citizen, you should purchase a vest.
I don't know whether it can help to stay alive after eight bullets from close range though.
This should be your concern now. And remember, Obama says you should stay calm.
Stay on topic fakkit
prevent capital leak, brehsWere all impressed with your ability to seize Ukrainian provinces
What are you people waiting on to finish the job if you don't give a fukk about what the West says, though? Been busy with other stuff?
