The Roland Martin Discussion Thread

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And you don't think the companies aren't exploiting the situations in foreign lands to scoop up future employees.

Your job/occupation/boss is not your friend breh. They're about making as much money and paying as little as they possible can. Even if it means breaking the law in their favor, they'll do it for them dollars.

And South and Central Americas is in dissray because of the country we currently live in right now. These people don't become anti-black and immigrants because their own omission when there's clearly no benefits. That doesn't add up
So, slavery and a caste system in South and Central Americas along with the Caribbean didn't exist until the US embarked on their lands? It was a utopia and American cacs came and fukked it up?

I understand economics. You curb those tactics by companies by seriously and severely punishing them. The punishment due to lobbying is so small that it is looked at as an expenditure and not a fine.

That needs to be corrected.
 

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So, slavery and a caste system in South and Central Americas along with the Caribbean didn't exist until the US embarked on their lands? It was a utopia and American cacs came and fukked it up?

I understand economics. You curb those tactics by companies by seriously and severely punishing them. The punishment due to lobbying is so small that it is looked at as an expenditure and not a fine.

That needs to be corrected.

Spain laid the groundwork before NAFTA, Augusta Pinochet, The Death Squads of the 70's-80's had a say in that

inca-battle-tactics-versus-spanish-conquistadors.jpg


Spanish colonization of the Americas - Wikipedia

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But you're not about any benefits or incentives for workers, that's the thing. Your fine with them having jobs, but scoff at them wanting more control over their life

you don't have to say what you truly mean
This thread is about illegal immigration.

My views on progressive economics and labor relations are for another thread.

You're tossing out these red herrings to disrupt the thread.
 

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Like in football terms, "it's a game of inches."

You can tell who are latinos and rightfully protecting their interests but unjustly trying to shame black people for protecting theirs.

Of course, there's no magic wand but everything counts. Lower supply of labor, shyt needs to be done so wages go up, eventually.

Latinos on here say that jive as if once they're in power, they're going to look out for AAs. We have live proof on the Western Hemisphere that that isn't the case.
 

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Before you think I should disagree with Obama read this post as well: http://www.thecoli.com/posts/26224045/






Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union.

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Again this is someone with a cac mentality.

You sound just like them cacs when they would bring up the Bill Cosby speech about what black people "need to do" in order to succeed.

I ain't bout no legality in regards to land that cacs stole from and colonized indigenous people. We been off that.
No it actually isn't.

Immigrants, legal or illegal, have always been used as tool to stifle AA progress
 

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Again this is someone with a cac mentality.

You sound just like them cacs when they would bring up the Bill Cosby speech about what black people "need to do" in order to succeed.

I ain't bout no legality in regards to land that cacs stole from and colonized indigenous people. We been off that.


So following legal immigration laws are cac mentality? :ohhh:

What are you really trying to say?:ohhh:
 

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Before you think I should disagree with Obama read this post as well: http://www.thecoli.com/posts/26224045/






Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union.

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BS! Send em back make em do it the right way.
 

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Damn. Some would rather not have the opportunity for black folks to get those $10/hour job that would be available if illegal immigrants were to be deported. They'd rather them be making $0/hour:mjgrin:
That's what I am picking up.
 

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I could have easily been in the situation of these dreamers if it wasn't for dumb luck. I came to visit America when I was 10 years old back in the mid 90's and had no idea I wasn't going to go back home. If it wasn't for my dad coming up here and getting his situation straight and then filing for me I would have been assed out.

Coincidentally, my wife's situation actually mirrored mine and she got her shyt straight after I married her 12 years ago.

I know of so many people that were in these circumstances.

Here's my opinion when it comes to race and immigration in current America: no "minority" or immigrant should enter the armed forces and fight and kill for a country (white people) that is openly hostile to you. Hate and racism is going to accelerate America's demise.

All immigrant and children of immigrants should make an effort to reconnect with their homeland. All black folks should get a passport and travel outside of this country. My wife and I just got back from Jamaica last week and bought 3/4 acre land to build our house on.
I can't speak for any other country but I know your children can be granted Jamaican citizenship as long as their parents are Jamaicans. I just got my four and two year old kids their Jamaican citizenship.
America is only good to make some money and bounce.
 
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