The removal of "under god" from the pledge is being debated in Massachusetts supreme court!

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

PIt Is Up For The Citizens Of This Nation And It Courts To Decide. Not My Sole Power To Do So.



What is so hard for you to understand! Most of the founding fathers were men of faith, you are working against hundreds of years of tradition. Your battle is in the courts breh. Over 70% of the country consider themselves to be people of some relig\ious dotrines of some sort practicioners or not. That includes the old, young, whites, blacks, asians, gay or straight. Your personal battle and hatred of religion is something you have to take to the courts. Either way people of faith sees a non issue while you and atheist do. the constitution says WE the people not you the people. So I say your battle is in the courts not with me or any person of faith. America may not be a Christan nation but it was founded by them.

People consider themselves to be people of VARIOUS faiths.

Even the "deists" (which is what most of them were) did NOT want a church ruling or influencing the state. Read the letters to the Danbury Baptists or even at the turn of the 20th cenutry when people were actually REALLY against the notion of the church. This whole religious vision of america is a relatively new thing.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He does not understand that the separation church and state was more about keeping one religion from having more power over the goverment then another. It was never about questioning if god exists.

This doesn't make any sense.

No one cares if you believe in god. You're an idiot for believing, but being stupid isn't illegal.

The point is that ANY religious views are not supposed to be represented in society by the government. AT. ALL.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Op aint soundin or lookin too nihilistic in dese e skreetz

But ima let da inconsistent with his claimed worldview breh @Napoleon cook

In a nation where laws matters, you realize how much of a nihilist you really are.

I don't expect you to grasp that point.

BTW. Nihilists aren't anarchists. I realize that this is ultimately futile, but it doesn't mean that I don't have fukking goals or aims to improve the state of where I live.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Op aint soundin or lookin too nihilistic in dese e skreetz

But ima let da inconsistent with his claimed worldview breh @Napoleon cook

This also fails because you equate nihilism with apathy.

Nihilism is simply the realization that nothing has any meaning.

That has NOTHING to do with passing the time in the country you live in and trying to improve the laws.

PLEASE keep misrepresenting shyt you don't understand. I know you take pride in showing the gaps in your rationale.

 

[blackslash]

In a nation where laws matters, you realize how much of a nihilist you really are.

I don't expect you to grasp that point.

BTW. Nihilists aren't anarchists. I realize that this is ultimately futile, but it doesn't mean that I don't have fukking goals or aims to improve the state of where I live.

"improve"

U use the term "improve"

But based on ur worldview the origins of our existence provides no basis as to where we can properly indicate whether we are "improving the laws"

Terms like that and many others u use in this thread only expose the contradiction of what u say u believe and how u behave

But like I said Ima let u cook

But if u wanna quote me again and slight my intelligence u can go ahead..and we can get into it..Im jus giving u the option of continuing ur antics in ur thread without me derailing it

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

"improve"

U use the term "improve"

But based on ur worldview the origins of our existence provides no basis as to where we can properly indicate whether we are "improving the laws"

Terms like that and many others u use in this thread only expose the contradiction of what u say u believe and how u behave

But like I said Ima let u cook

But if u wanna quote me again and slight my intelligence u can go ahead..and we can get into it..Im jus giving u the option of continuing ur antics in ur thread without me derailing it

What the fukk is your problem?

I'm a nihilist. Life INHERENTLY is meaningless.

BUT

Since I'm here. I can add meaning to it.

Thats existentialism.

I realize life is pointless...that doesn't stop you from MAKING it mean whatever you want it to mean.

Thats the problem here.

You REALLY and TRULY DO NOT understand what you're railing against.

Get at me when you can comprehend Sartre, Nietzsche, or Camus.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Everyone voting no should realize that you're asking for the government to get more involved in your religion.

Are you all SURE your really want that?

 

[Just like bruddas]

Keep religion away from state.

 

[blackslash]

What the fukk is your problem?

I'm a nihilist. Life INHERENTLY is meaningless.

BUT

Since I'm here. I can add meaning to it.

Thats existentialism.

I realize life is pointless...that doesn't stop you from MAKING it mean whatever you want it to mean.

Thats the problem here.

You REALLY and TRULY DO NOT understand what you're railing against.

Get at me when you can comprehend Sartre, Nietzsche, or Camus.

"Making it mean whatever I want it to mean"

So thats all it boils down to??

Then why are u tryna use methods of pandering to morality and such to get ur point across when according to ur worldview it is merely an illusion

If this all boils down to "making it mean what u want it to mean" then what argument can u possibly have with these people on this subject

"I want it to be like this cuz i like it"

Thats all ur argument can come down to because any other thing is an appeal to things and aspects which ur worldview gives no validity to

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

"Making it mean whatever I want it to mean"

So thats all it boils down to??

Then why are u tryna use methods of pandering to morality and such to get ur point across when according to ur worldview it is merely an illusion

If this all boils down to "making it mean what u want it to mean" then what argument can u possibly have with these people on this subject

"I want it to be like this cuz i like it"

Thats all ur argument can come down to because any other thing is an appeal to things and aspects which ur worldview gives no validity to

HUH?

Bruh.

This is about law.

Law is whatever is on the books.

The constitution trumps all interpretation of USA law.

So...having an official pledge that includes religious themes and overtones...IS UNCONSITITIONAL.

Its not even about 'what I like'.

Thats why stand-your-ground laws exist and thats why mandatory drug laws exist.

They're laws.

They get enforced.

People can change laws through a process...but until then the law on the book is ALL that matters.

You're so fukking daft its embarassing. What are you talkign about "my world view"

Guess what jackass. Morality doesn't exist. People make it up. Neither do human rights or any of that other shyt. WE MAKE IT ALL UP.

ALL OF IT.

So since we live in a society that we try to make run a little better we collectively decide to make some rules and set people aside to enforce them.

 

[blackslash]

HUH?

Bruh.

This is about law.

Law is whatever is on the books.

The constitution trumps all interpretation of USA law.

So...having an official pledge that includes religious themes and overtones...IS UNCONSITITIONAL.

Its not even about 'what I like'.

Thats why stand-your-ground laws exist and thats why mandatory drug laws exist.

They're laws.

They get enforced.

People can change laws through a process...but until then the law on the book is ALL that matters.

You're so fukking daft its embarassing. What are you talkign about "my world view"

Guess what jackass. Morality doesn't exist. People make it up. Neither do human rights or any of that other shyt. WE MAKE IT ALL UP.

ALL OF IT.

So since we live in a society that we try to make run a little better we collectively decide to make some rules and set people aside to enforce them.

"better" ayyye there u go using terms not fit for a nihilistic such as ur self

Someone is angry

Funny that u say this is all bout the law of the "books"

When the very foundation of the constitution lies in this statement

"We hold these truths to be self-evident...all men are... endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men."

The same creator that is referenced in the Pledge...the irony that u are trying to remove what the constitution is founded on

Back then they got it...

Human rights were something that could not exist in your worldview and when u no longer acknowledge that foundation, everything falls apart

 

[Will Ross]

This doesn't make any sense.

No one cares if you believe in god. You're an idiot for believing, but being stupid isn't illegal.

The point is that ANY religious views are not supposed to be represented in society by the government. AT. ALL.

Believeing in a god existing is not a religious view.

 

[Normalcy]

Something...Something...Meaty

 

[Grew_Up_Hella_Early]

"under god was added in 1954...not 1776. what are you talking about???"

This is supposed to be a SECULAR country.

I'm talking about many of the state constitutions still containing the word god and referencing god and I think one or two even forbid athiest from being voted into office but may have been changed recently....my point is you can't pretend freedom of religion and seperation of church and state was written with athiest in mind...I mean u can but its dishonest....but if you think the pledge should be changed because its disrespectful to athiest that's fine but that LAW was not written for athiest,just like it originally wasn't written with blacks in mind....so u shouldn't try hanging your hat on that when u look at the context of it....so all the "when they wrote the constitution this isn't what they had in mind" talk gotta go....they didn't have athiest in mind which may not have been fair but its the truth...wasn't meant for a person who has a belief in no god and practices nothing

If it makes you feel better you can't just practice any religion you want to either,so athiest ain't the only ones gettin a raw deal if you just look at the words "freedom of religion" and "seperation of church and state" and ignore the context and who it was written to protect...wasn't meant to protect athiest or any other religion deemed "weird" or "extreme"....just the popular ones at the time...stop pretending you don't know what this country really has always been...certainly not secular


And Jehovas witnesses had the right idea and I'm not sure why religious people would really fight to keep the pledge at all either...pledging to the flag does seem like somewhat of a conflict with the bible isn't it? Doesn't really serve god and athiest hate it apparently,nobody should have a problem getting rid of it other than tradition...same reason we cling on to outdated "laws" and try to spin them in our favor in order to try to get our way in 2013...that goes for everybody

 

[AllHolosEve]

And throw dat swearin on da bible in court bullshyt in da bushes too.

m!ght as well.........

Guess what jackass. Morality doesn't exist. People make it up. Neither do human rights or any of that other shyt. WE MAKE IT ALL UP. ALL OF IT. So since we live in a society that we try to make run a little better we collectively decide to make some rules and set people aside to enforce them.

so people made up a moral code but !t doesnt ex!st???? we made up human r!ghts but they dont ex!st??? so s!nce we made up laws ! guess they dont ex!st e!ther r!ght??? & WE as a soc!ety d!d not collect!vely dec!de these laws, the m!nor!ty (not race) !n power & author!ty d!d, we just adjust them...
then you say l!fe has no mean!ng but we g!ve mean!ng to !t ourselves???? contrad!ct youself much breh????

theres a reason n!h!l!sts are bunched !n w!th anarch!sts breh....