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and thats why magic doesnt always work on kids .... adults think to much ... oh sh1t .. i just noticed that was a foreshadowing .. I think the kid knew which borden was her father
Nah it was a different boy, not Borden's daughter. I dont think she knew.

It was definitely foreshadowing, though, about the twins and their ultimate fate. Also about Angier and his willingness to get his hands dirty.

You could easily argue that the entire film is based around the bird in the cage trick as a metaphor.
 

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Nah it was a different boy, not Borden's daughter. I dont think she knew.

It was definitely foreshadowing, though, about the twins and their ultimate fate. Also about Angier and his willingness to get his hands dirty.

You could easily argue that the entire film is based around the bird in the cage trick as a metaphor.

I'm saying didnt Borden/Fallon interact with their daughter differently ... There are times when Borden had the child and times Fallon had the child .... Wouldnt the simple mind of a child see through that... and now that i think about it ... and since I'm going off the top of my head. Do we know which Borden was actually the father?
 

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LOL at dudes thinking the machine didn't work. Like Tesla is gonna waste his time gathering a shytload of cats and hats just to fake a machine working to one man.


The machine worked.

The original was killed long before the movie's end, probably during that first time he tried the machine on himself. Like dude said the duplicates retained the memories up until they were created.

The twins took turns being in the box...dude straight up stated that in the end.
 

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I'm saying didnt Borden/Fallon interact with their daughter differently ... There are times when Borden had the child and times Fallon had the child .... Wouldnt the simple mind of a child see through that... and now that i think about it ... and since I'm going off the top of my head. Do we know which Borden was actually the father?
I'm guessing the Borden that was actually the father was the one who loved his wife, while the other one loved Scarlett's character. They never did cheat on either one of em. The Borden that loved his wife was the one that survived at the end, that's why his twin said he was sorry about what happened to her when they were sending him off for execution.

As for the kid knowing, we didn't get enough screen time with the daughter to really see if she knew or not. I'm thinking she didn't.
 

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I'm guessing the Borden that was actually the father was the one who loved his wife, while the other one loved Scarlett's character. They never did cheat on either one of em. The Borden that loved his wife was the one that survived at the end, that's why his twin said he was sorry about what happened to her when they were sending him off for execution.

As for the kid knowing, we didn't get enough screen time with the daughter to really see if she knew or not. I'm thinking she didn't.


the never cheating part I must have missed (or i just dont recollect at the moment) .. Im saying the daughter knew something was funny because if I'm not mistaken the Borden father played with the daughter and enjoyed his wife... When they switched and would argue, Fallon would protect the girl and play with her ...
 

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:ohhh: wow I love that theory I need, the first time I watched this movie I got maybe half way through and my brother came home and he's like "what's this"
Me: its a dope flick about some musicians
Him: or it's good huh? good enough for you to restart it :mjpls:
Me: :rudy: ......... : :ld:........ :ehh:
and restarted it, that's how I figured out the trick

Never heard that theory though

:leostare:
 

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Nah it was a different boy, not Borden's daughter. I dont think she knew.

It was definitely foreshadowing, though, about the twins and their ultimate fate. Also about Angier and his willingness to get his hands dirty.

You could easily argue that the entire film is based around the bird in the cage trick as a metaphor.

More than that, the entire film was about being a prisoner of your ownself. Throughout the film there were symbolisms, allegories, and metaphors of being trapped inside a cage or a box and the illusion of trying to break free (the prestige).

Both wives deaths were allegories. The fact that Sarah hung herself around nothing but birdcages is connected to that 1st encounter of the cage trick and the twin birds. The fact that Angier's wife was killed "in the box" reflects to Angiers obession since of always being "trapped in the box" instead of being the one out.

There's other symbolism and some being literal examples like Borden locked up in prison (in a cage) and Fallon locked up literally in a coffin (box). Also, the fact both Angier and Borden weren't ever true to who they really are. Everybody in the film was essentially a prisioner trapped inside their own cages or boxes.
 

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So I rewatched this movie last night (prompted specifically by @Methodical 's theory)
My conclusion is that the machine works... :manny:

The viewer is seeing what Bale is reading in a diary...a diary that he is being lied to in...

the movie is being shown from the perspective of that diary

That is why Cutter says in the end , "You won't find the secret. You want to be fooled." So keep that in mind and then the movie is really a 2 hour long simple magic show, intended to trick its viewers, and that's exactly what it does!.


If Bordon knew about Tesla and his machine( which he did as in his diary), why would he be intent to give that information to his number one rival Angier, as his diary was specifically intended to be read by Angier. So why would Bordon be still surprised as to how Angier performs the "Real Transported Man" trick? . Borden clearly knew who Nikola Tesla was and what he could and could not do. Tesla tried to explain Angier and fooled Angier, He pulled the wool over Angier's eyes with the cat and the top hat, WHO CANT FIND MULTIPLE BLACK HATS AND CATS. Angier fell right into his trick, gave him money, Tesla left a piece of shyt and Angier realized the key to a good trick is taking the real secret to the grave.

The point of this film is the whole movie was a magic trick. We were tricked into believing the machine actually worked. This movie is not "Science Fiction Movie", ......So why would they suddenly spring science fiction on us. They didn't, we were tricked into believing it was a working cloning machine. This movie is "Mystery, Thriller, Drama".
 

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The viewer is seeing what Bale is reading in a diary...a diary that he is being lied to in...

the movie is being shown from the perspective of that diary

That is why Cutter says in the end , "You won't find the secret. You want to be fooled." So keep that in mind and then the movie is really a 2 hour long simple magic show, intended to trick its viewers, and that's exactly what it does!.


If Bordon knew about Tesla and his machine( which he did as in his diary), why would he be intent to give that information to his number one rival Angier, as his diary was specifically intended to be read by Angier. So why would Bordon be still surprised as to how Angier performs the "Real Transported Man" trick? . Borden clearly knew who Nikola Tesla was and what he could and could not do. Tesla tried to explain Angier and fooled Angier, He pulled the wool over Angier's eyes with the cat and the top hat, WHO CANT FIND MULTIPLE BLACK HATS AND CATS. Angier fell right into his trick, gave him money, Tesla left a piece of shyt and Angier realized the key to a good trick is taking the real secret to the grave.

The point of this film is the whole movie was a magic trick. We were tricked into believing the machine actually worked. This movie is not "Science Fiction Movie", ......So why would they suddenly spring science fiction on us. They didn't, we were tricked into believing it was a working cloning machine. This movie is "Mystery, Thriller, Drama".

Cutter also said early into the film POINT BLANK that it's real! That scene wasn't a flashback. It wasn't from Angier's or either of the Bolden twin's perspective. It was in that PRESENT TIME.

In fact, I already posted the interview of Johnathan Nolan who WROTE the screenplay stating that they wanted the people watching the film know off the bat.

End of discussion.

EDIT. I'll answer your questions because you clearly never paid attention of this movie AT ALL.

1.) Borden DID NOT know about the transporter machine. Never mind the diary part where he merely stated that "Tesla" was only the keyword to decode his diary. But the reason he gave Angier his diary was to send him off on a wild goose clear out in the United States far away from London! He did not know Tesla was capable of building such a machine. He never met the man at all.

Answer yourself this question, if that was the so-called case, why did the Borden twins, especially Fredrick, got so upset over not figuring out how Angier was transporting himself after he returned from the States? If he knew he went to Telsa to build a fake transporter machine, then obviously he would of known the trick and manipulate it once again like he did the last several times.

2.) You do know the actual history between Telsa and Edison, correct? You did see that Edison's men was hanging around the hotel, did you not? You saw them burning down the entire establishment that Telsa was residing at? And you actually assume that Telsa dipped out of town because he was scamming Angier? What evidence do you even have to support this? Or any of it?

And lastly, 3.) It is INDEED a science fiction picture. Who ever told you that it was not? Again, I refer to you back to the Johnathan Nolan interview that specifically stated they intended to put the supernatural into the picture. The only reason you made this illogical analysis of the film up is because you refuse to believe that is a science fiction feature set in a period era.
 
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There's other symbolism and some being literal examples like Borden locked up in prison (in a cage) and Fallon locked up literally in a coffin (box). Also, the fact both Angier and Borden weren't ever true to who they really are. Everybody in the film was essentially a prisioner trapped inside their own cages or boxes.
I think it goes further than that. "Borden" and "Fallon" were the cages. They were literally characters, that the brothers took turns playing. Each time a brother was playing Borden he was Borden, and it's the same with Fallon. Peep the scene were Borden and Sarah have their final fight("I know what you are Albert"). The brother that loved Sarah was Fallon at that particular time, and because they were caught wrong footed he was forced to sit quietly and listen while his brother was (unintentionally)fukking his shyt up with the person he loved.

In the entire film we never get to actually see what the brothers were like, what their personalities were.Early in the movie Angier refers to Borden as "a cipher, an enigma". That's exactly what the brothers were. Other than their complete and utter devotion to magic and each other, there are no characteristics or traits that we can observe. They have no personality, they are ciphers. Borden and Fallon are just characters they impersonate.

I think throughout the whole film are are only two scenes where we get to see the real brothers: the one where they say goodbye, and the one where the surviving one kills Angier. And even in these scenes we don't learn anything about them we already didn't know - that they were utterly devoted to each other in the former, and that they were utterly devoted to magic in the latter.
 
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