the prestige

[theflyest]

This thread is ridiculous, especially over a movie that is straight forward. The only thing I should see any confusion on is how the machine works because the movie didn't really tell us.

You have 3 possible ways

1) Machine teleports Angier & leaves a copy in the machine (somewhat similar to the book).
2) Machine does not teleport, instead just creates a copy with the original still in the machine

or

3) The machine actualizes both outcomes, in which Angier is & isn't transported, which creates two equally living copies. This means both Angiers are the original. The movie hints this when Tesla says "there all your hats." Very similar to Star Trek TNG in which there were 2 William Rikers.

 

[gluvnast]

I think it goes further than that. "Borden" and "Fallon" were the cages. They were literally characters, that the brothers took turns playing. Each time a brother was playing Borden he was Borden, and it's the same with Fallon. Peep the scene were Borden and Sarah have their final fight("I know what you are Albert"). The brother that loved Sarah was Fallon at that particular time, and because they were caught wrong footed he was forced to sit quietly and listen while his brother was (unintentionally)fukking his shyt up with the person he loved.

In the entire film we never get to actually see what the brothers were like, what their personalities were.Early in the movie Angier refers to Borden as "a cipher, an enigma". That's exactly what the brothers were. Other than their complete and utter devotion to magic and each other, there are no characteristics or traits that we can observe. They have no personality, they are ciphers. Borden and Fallon are just characters they impersonate.

I think throughout the whole film are are only two scenes where we get to see the real brothers: the one where they say goodbye, and the one where the surviving one kills Angier. And even in these scenes we don't learn anything about them we already didn't know - that they were utterly devoted to each other in the former, and that they were utterly devoted to magic in the latter.

I generally agree with you on that it goes deeper and the Borden twins were characters acting 24/7. However, I slightly disagree on them showing off their true personalities. And props to Christian Bale for this, but if you watch this a number of times, you can tell off which twin is which in virtually every single scene of the film, and it's all because of their personalities, especially when around Sarah. From observance, you know that Albert was the one that was more intelligent as well as more relunctant in going into the extremes that his brother wishes them to go. Fredrick was more callous, more obsessive, and willing to get his hands dirty. But both were prisoners of each other and at times wishes to be free to be themselves, but never could until the night of the hanging (Fredrick representing the dead bird in the cage and Albert being the Prestige at the end).

And actually there are THREE scenes that reveal them as they are. You forgot the carousel scene where Albert asked Fredrick (disguised as Fallon) that Sarah either knows or suspects something and asked to try to do better.

 

[Mr. Pink]

Also, here's an interesting thought. Note that I'll use the names Albert for the brother that loved Sarah and Freddy for the brother that loved Olivia.

I believe it's pretty obvious that Albert is not Jess' biological father, Freddy is. So in essence, they both took turns fukking both Sarah and Olivia. It's ironic that Albert is not the father of Sarah's child, even though he was the one that loved her.

 

[gluvnast]

This thread is ridiculous, especially over a movie that is straight forward. The only thing I should see any confusion on is how the machine works because the movie didn't really tell us.

You have 3 possible ways

1) Machine teleports Angier & leaves a copy in the machine (somewhat similar to the book).
2) Machine does not teleport, instead just creates a copy with the original still in the machine

or

3) The machine actualizes both outcomes, in which Angier is & isn't transported, which creates two equally living copies. This means both Angiers are the original. The movie hints this when Tesla says "there all your hats." Very similar to Star Trek TNG in which there were 2 William Rikers.[/quote]

The 3rd one.

 

[Methodical]

Cutter also said early into the film POINT BLANK that it's real! That scene wasn't a flashback. It wasn't from Angier's or either of the Bolden twin's perspective. It was in that PRESENT TIME.

In fact, I already posted the interview of Johnathan Nolan who WROTE the screenplay stating that they wanted the people watching the film know off the bat.

End of discussion.

EDIT. I'll answer your questions because you clearly never paid attention of this movie AT ALL.

1.) Borden DID NOT know about the transporter machine. Never mind the diary part where he merely stated that "Tesla" was only the keyword to decode his diary. But the reason he gave Angier his diary was to send him off on a wild goose clear out in the United States far away from London! He did not know Tesla was capable of building such a machine. He never met the man at all.

Answer yourself this question, if that was the so-called case, why did the Borden twins, especially Fredrick, got so upset over not figuring out how Angier was transporting himself after he returned from the States? If he knew he went to Telsa to build a fake transporter machine, then obviously he would of known the trick and manipulate it once again like he did the last several times.

2.) You do know the actual history between Telsa and Edison, correct? You did see that Edison's men was hanging around the hotel, did you not? You saw them burning down the entire establishment that Telsa was residing at? And you actually assume that Telsa dipped out of town because he was scamming Angier? What evidence do you even have to support this? Or any of it?

And lastly, 3.) It is INDEED a science fiction picture. Who ever told you that it was not? Again, I refer to you back to the Johnathan Nolan interview that specifically stated they intended to put the supernatural into the picture. The only reason you made this illogical analysis of the film up is because you refuse to believe that is a science fiction feature set in a period era.

why would Angier still be trying to get Borden’s method after having reproduced the trick with the Tesla machine? It logically doesn’t follow. He’d been duplicating himself successfully for months – why does he still need the method?

if you look closely you’ll realize that the two key narrators in this story are Borden’s diary read by Angier and alternately Angier’s diary being read by Borden. Who do we trust?.... Can we trust Borden’s or Angier’s diaries? Obviously not.

 

[Trojan 24]

is nikkas trolling or really thinking up these over the top explanations for a rather straightforward concept

Yeah, there's about 3 people in here who keep talking about the shyt went over or heads and we believe what we want to believe or some shyt. Yet they dance around any legitimate points brought up against their theory.

Like I don't even understand how this theory was even developed

 

[Mr. Pink]

This thread is ridiculous, especially over a movie that is straight forward. The only thing I should see any confusion on is how the machine works because the movie didn't really tell us.

You have 3 possible ways

1) Machine teleports Angier & leaves a copy in the machine (somewhat similar to the book).
2) Machine does not teleport, instead just creates a copy with the original still in the machine

or

3) The machine actualizes both outcomes, in which Angier is & isn't transported, which creates two equally living copies. This means both Angiers are the original. The movie hints this when Tesla says "there all your hats." Very similar to Star Trek TNG in which there were 2 William Rikers.

I believe it's the third one.

 

[gluvnast]

Also, here's an interesting thought. Note that I'll use the names Albert for the brother that loved Sarah and Freddy for the brother that loved Olivia.

I believe it's pretty obvious that Albert is not Jess' biological father, Freddy is. So in essence, they both took turns fukking both Sarah and Olivia. It's ironic that Albert is not the father of Sarah's child, even though he was the one that loved her.

Um, why you say it's obvious that's not Albert's seed? or that Fredrick even f*cked Sarah and vice versa? Not saying that it's unlikely, I think it was highly likely, hence further implied motivation for Sarah to hang herself. But that part is clearly ambiguous. There never was a hint either way, or would they themselves would of known. Sh*t they had trouble knowing which one did the right or incorrect knot for crying out loud, lol.

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

This thread is ridiculous, especially over a movie that is straight forward. The only thing I should see any confusion on is how the machine works because the movie didn't really tell us.

You have 3 possible ways

1) Machine teleports Angier & leaves a copy in the machine (somewhat similar to the book).
2) Machine does not teleport, instead just creates a copy with the original still in the machine

or

3) The machine actualizes both outcomes, in which Angier is & isn't transported, which creates two equally living copies. This means both Angiers are the original. The movie hints this when Tesla says "there all your hats." Very similar to Star Trek TNG in which there were 2 William Rikers.

Correct ... but this thread is fun..

I would say I'm 60% sure is number 2.. the original remains and a duplicate is created elsewhere.. which is why Angier never gets the prestige ...
and 40% is that the machine does either one and its arbitrary. teh movies hints at that when angier was like he's not sure if he would be in the water or the prestige ...
either way there's always 2 angiers thats why one has to die and is removed by a blind stage hand and all the tanks are kept... nobody can ever know additional angiers are present

 

[MMS]

So people in here thinking the machine didn't work? Tesla was revered to be a genius in the movie. How the fukk is he going to be revered as a genius but he's selling folk fake machines?

Some of you nikkas are the definition of "smart dumb" nikkas.

a genius who makes a static electricty bulb that clones people

the fact some of you are using the word illogical to argue this is funny

the movie served its purpose. It tricked the lot of you

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

why would Angier still be trying to get Borden’s method after having reproduced the trick with the Tesla machine? It logically doesn’t follow. He’d been duplicating himself successfully for months – why does he still need the method?

if you look closely you’ll realize that the two key narrators in this story are Borden’s diary read by Angier and alternately Angier’s diary being read by Borden. Who do we trust?.... Can we trust Borden’s or Angier’s diaries? Obviously not.

Angier wants to know because he still wants to outdo his rival.... having a bettter trick was not enough. He wants to figure out how its done and possibly expose this "false" trick and bring more credibility to his

 

[Methodical]

Correct ... but this thread is fun..

I would say I'm 60% sure is number 2.. the original remains and a duplicate is created elsewhere.. which is why Angier never gets the prestige ...
and 40% is that the machine does either one and its arbitrary. teh movies hints at that when angier was like he's not sure if he would be in the water or the prestige ...
either way there's always 2 angiers thats why one has to die and is removed by a blind stage hand and all the tanks are kept... nobody can ever know additional angiers are present

The scene where Angier had to take the gun and shoot his double upon realization of what he'd done. At the point in the story when this scene is shown it is Angier telling Fallon what he’d done, and that the machine had worked. Why would we trust Angier’s word any more than we would trust his diary? This is just one more lie, albeit one that we envision along with Fallon as he is telling it to us. Its nothing more than a lie.

20 different look-a-likes that Angier has killed. 20 wax figures he’s crafted to trick Fallon (Borden) into believing he’s really made the Tesla machine work. This magic trick was for an audience of one. Fallon and Us.

 

[MMS]

The scene where Angier had to take the gun and shoot his double upon realization of what he'd done. At the point in the story when this scene is shown it is Angier telling Fallon what he’d done, and that the machine had worked. Why would we trust Angier’s word any more than we would trust his diary? This is just one more lie, albeit one that we envision along with Fallon as he is telling it to us. Its nothing more than a lie.

20 different look-a-likes that Angier has killed. 20 wax figures he’s crafted to trick Fallon (Borden) into believing he’s really made the Tesla machine work. This magic trick was for an audience of one. Fallon and Us.

theres a reason the prestige doesnt show up on the sci fi channel

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

a genius who makes a static electricty bulb that clones people

the fact some of you are using the word illogical to argue this is funny

the movie served its purpose. It tricked the lot of you

Its a movie you fukking moron not a documentary. Take off your fukking engineering hat and use some common sense.

Just admit ya L and fall back breh. You were never considered a particularly brilliant poster to begin with, so this L will likely not affect your existing rep too much.:hey:

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

theres a reason the prestige doesnt show up on the sci fi channel

Wrong ... it was shown Christmas Eve 2013 @ 9PM

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