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thatrapsfan
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Ultimately Ford is spineless and got scared after getting pushback from the teachers unions and hospital executives, both entrenched interests who have reasons to argue for restrictions that have little to do with public interest. The unions are playing politics and want Ford to lose an election, while the hospital excecs want to be seen as “doing something” in the face of frustration from staff about workload and burnout.I don't get this at all.
They just advised, shorter isolation period for fully vaxxed, basically less PCR testing offered to the public (you got symptoms, assume you have covid)
To me that sounds like they want to slowly move forward and we'll learn to live with Covid...and now they may want to go back to lockdowns and bans?
The UK is two weeks ahead of us in this Omicron wave and just said no further restrictions are necessary. Everything is open and you just have to wear a mask and present vaccine proof to go to a club. Lol
COVID-19: Data does not support more restrictions in England this week thanks to plan B, cabinet minister says
COVID-19: Data does not support more restrictions in England this week thanks to plan B, cabinet minister says
thatrapsfan
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It’s an election year, the unions are already predisposed against a Tory Government and almost went on a general strike at beginning of their term. They didn’t get what they wanted out of negotiations ( smaller class sizes, more teachers) and they see this as golden opportunity to get government out and get more favourable negotiating partners.
Their demands keep changing for what’s considered “safe schools” despite clear evidence we have that children have far, far less risk to bad COVID outcomes thankfully. First it was about vaccine coverage - every teacher has had opportunity to get vaccine plus booster. Now it’s about vague things like filters ( most big school boards have these now) N95 masks ( many got them delivered - also crazy to wear all day) class sizes, all sorts of testing protocols.
If you acquiese to their laundry list, it’ll ultimately make schools inoperable every winter moving forward since COVID will not be eliminated. Same unions and their advocates claimed returning to school in September would be a bloodbath too and how’d that turn out? A smarter politician than Ford will recognize huge level of frustration that parents have with how unions are gaming this and advocate for charters/vouchers in future.
Appreciate the knowledge drop @thatrapsfan 
I don’t agree. I have enough friends who are teachers so I shut in them often but apparently the government isn’t playing fair and has t been thidbrhile pandemic. For instance, they are still packing classrooms with kids, thry will no longer announce whether a kid tested Positive for CoVID. thry also failed at keeping teachers and students safe.
I think the biggest problem is the union who rarely does right by the teachers. Often times teachers don’t even agree with what the unions are doing.
teachers are just easy targets though…. Parents sending kids to school with COVID giving no shyts and the gov can’t even protect the teachers (big class sizes, couldn’t even offer n95 masks, only now are they adding hepafilters to classrooms.
And everyone is looking after their own interests including thr government. Open schools but do a better job of protecting the teachers.
Ford had 18 months to add hepa filters. Him and Stephen Leccee give zero fukks about the kids. ZERO
itd obvious they give no fukks but same with thr public. There’s a resentment for teachers so the public rolls their eyes when they complain and sometimes I agree, but thry are still risking their lives working in dangerous environments and the government has done a shifty job of protecting them and other students.
it’s a complete cluster fukk. No gatherings allowed over 5 people but pack a class of 30!
I think kids suffer by not being in school but people need to be protected. Spend the gotdamn money you’re sitting on and do it!
MVike28
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If this ain’t an example that Unions are the WOAT
these lazy fukkers take 3 months off every year, are paid more than fairly and constantly whine and complain that enough is not being done.
Shut the fukk Up and do your job which compared to other professions is light work!
I have friends who are completely opposed to their union leadership.
Our kids have really been royally fukked over.
Liberalism is a disease. The third year where personal day to day rights are yielded to back room deals.
these lazy fukkers take 3 months off every year, are paid more than fairly and constantly whine and complain that enough is not being done.
Shut the fukk Up and do your job which compared to other professions is light work!
I have friends who are completely opposed to their union leadership.
Our kids have really been royally fukked over.
Liberalism is a disease. The third year where personal day to day rights are yielded to back room deals.
thatrapsfan
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It’s not 2020 anymore, school-age teachers are not at risk of severe outcomes anymore because of vaccine coverage. If two vaccines plus a booster will not reassure teachers of their safety absolutely nothing will.
The smaller class sizes are a decades long demand of teachers unions, and they see the good fortune in tying this to “school safety”. They also know it’s a demand that is impossible to address in short term, because it would mean hiring and training thousands of new teachers in the Province.
I don’t doubt some teachers are scared at personal level, but the unions and political motivated advocates like David Fisman are cynically adding to their fear by suggesting open schools are a bloodbath. Teachers were not dying or ending up in hospital even pre-vaccine and now over 90 percent are vaccinated, plus a good percentage boosted and it’s worse?
In NDP-run British Columbia, government has literally taken almost none of measures Ontario has and schools were open almost entirely pandemic. Face masks weren’t mandatory for small kids there for almost two years. Yet far less contentious relationship between teachers union and government there. What explains it? To me, clearly shows union will be reasonable with their demands if they have a favourable Government in power.
cmon dude. If you’re being forced to work, your employer should be doing what it takes to protect the staff. What have they done?
I flip flop on unions because it keeps employers from taking advantage of employees. But at the same time unions sometimes just cause shyt for the sake of it.
If there was no teachers union teachers would be getting paid close to minimum wage and being forced to teach kids in class sizes if 100. Glorified baby sitters an psychiatrists.
thatrapsfan
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This is the union line, but you’d be naive to buy it.
Consider that NDP-run BC has zero HEPA filters, no n95 masks, booster campaign that is going far slower than Ontario and despite all that has only closed schools for about two weeks the entire pandemic. By comparison, Ontario has longest school closures in the Province despite more measures.
What explains the difference? To me, it’s a Government and public health leadership with a spine and reason plus unions that are willing to play ball with more favourable partners.
BC has far less people and their schools have better funding.
Making comparisons to other provinces is a waste of time. Way too many factors to consider. I don’t pay attention to the political theatre. I just have to look at what I’d bring done to keep oriole safe and not much at all until recently.
Thinking they shouldn’t do much because kids are not as impacted is a dangerous game because when kids are impacted then what? People don’t know shut about this virus but still putting oriole out there in harms way for politics.
thsts all this is and all the province cares about.