The Official Toronto Discussion Thread

[JLova]

Couldn’t have said it in any better

Let me find out @JLova is a teacher in disguise

im kidding btw I’m just pissed for my son

It’s much different when you actually have kids and don’t need the media to tell you what’s going on.

Not a teacher, just a concerned parent. When people say shut like “stfu you get 3 months vacation” when we talking about a pandemic that yelled me they’re not coming from a place of objectivity. Wtf does that have to do with wanting a safe work environment?

 

[thatrapsfan]

cmon dude. If you’re being forced to work, your employer should be doing what it takes to protect the staff. What have they done?

I flip flop on unions because it keeps employers from taking advantage of employees. But at the same time unions sometimes just cause shyt for the sake of it.

If there was no teachers union teachers would be getting paid close to minimum wage and being forced to teach kids in class sizes if 100. Glorified baby sitters an psychiatrists.

I am pro union and pro labour but I think they’ll come to heavily regret playing politics with opening schools.

Just take a look at status quo across the world and you’ll notice country after country has kept schools open entire pandemic, without doing anything like what unions are asking for, and teachers didn’t die or get hospitalized en-masse.

In extremely pro-union Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Denmark) schools never closed, face masks optional, and kids and teachers are doing fine.

At end of the day, this will backfire on them in Ontario, sooner or later.

 

[85 East]

This is the union line, but you’d be naive to buy it.

Consider that NDP-run BC has zero HEPA filters, no n95 masks, booster campaign that is going far slower than Ontario and despite all that has only closed schools for about two weeks the entire pandemic. By comparison, Ontario has longest school closures in the Province despite more measures.


What explains the difference? To me, it’s a Government and public health leadership with a spine and reason plus unions that are willing to play ball with more favourable partners.

Firstly I doubt BC is as populated as southern Ontario, let alone a city like Toronto. Schools here are well over packed and they aren't making any headway on that issue. Also a lot more community travel and transmission in Toronto/southern Ontario. Secondly Doug Ford had 18 months to get a plan in place. He didn't. He's a reactionary dikk head who ponders to Toronto Sun readers and nobody else. He won his election on buck a beer. This is what we collectively get for voting that man in. People wanted Trump and got Ford. He comes out, makes a speech they dissapears for over half a month. That's a leader? Unions have the right to fight for employees. Especially when your government is ill equipped and lacks mental capacity. Kids are huge vectors. Also they are dirty and don't care about hygiene, adding to the problem. And in a city like Toronto where a$$holes like Ford and Lecce refuse to make a deal to provide affordable daycare, its grandmothers and old ladies(Filipinas) babysitting. Ford has dropped the ball, and expecting unions to say "fukk it" on his behalf is a joke. Their jobs are to look out for their employees, not some dumb fukk bumbling politician, whos daughter does everything to undermine anything decent he does.

 

[MVike28]

It’s much different when you actually have kids and don’t need the media to tell you what’s going on.

Not a teacher, just a concerned parent. When people say shut like “stfu you get 3 months vacation” when we talking about a pandemic that yelled me they’re not coming from a place of objectivity. Wtf does that have to do with wanting a safe work environment?

This is talking points straight of a union reps mouth

It’s okay breh do you

 

[JLova]

I am pro union and pro labour but I think they’ll come to heavily regret playing politics with opening schools.

Just take a look at status quo across the world and you’ll notice country after country has kept schools open entire pandemic, without doing anything like what unions are asking for, and teachers didn’t die or get hospitalized en-masse.

In extremely pro-union Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Denmark) schools never closed, face masks optional, and kids and teachers are doing fine.

At end of the day, this will backfire on them in Ontario, sooner or later.

Probably but so will Ford. His ass is gone. Flip flopping clown. Any of these other places you’re talking about have leadership like ours?

 

[thatrapsfan]

Also arguments often switch back and forth between safety of teachers (who are vaccinated now) and students ( who are very low risk).

But if concern really was about kids, what do they think kids will be up to while schools are closed? They’ll be interacting with other kids, with caregivers, and will come in contact with virus sooner or later. They’ll also be doing this in settings with zero control or standards.

This isn’t without considering massive learning loss hits kids are taking in this Province. Remember the parents of the well off will ensure kids get one on one tutoring and extra instruction to keep them at pace. But less well off kids are in world of trouble and many will never academically recover from loss of instruction of past two years.

 

[JLova]

Firstly I doubt BC is as populated as southern Ontario, let alone a city like Toronto. Schools here are well over packed and they aren't making any headway on that issue. Also a lot more community travel and transmission in Toronto/southern Ontario. Secondly Doug Ford had 18 months to get a plan in place. He didn't. He's a reactionary dikk head who ponders to Toronto Sun readers and nobody else. He won his election on buck a beer. This is what we collectively get for voting that man in. People wanted Trump and got Ford. He comes out, makes a speech they dissapears for over half a month. That's a leader? Unions have the right to fight for employees. Especially when your government is ill equipped and lacks mental capacity. Kids are huge vectors. Also they are dirty and don't care about hygiene, adding to the problem. And in a city like Toronto where a$$holes like Ford and Lecce refuse to make a deal to provide affordable daycare, its grandmothers and old ladies(Filipinas) babysitting. Ford has dropped the ball, and expecting unions to say "fukk it" on his behalf is a joke. Their jobs are to look out for their employees, not some dumb fukk bumbling politician, whos daughter does everything to undermine anything decent he does.

shyt leadership. Let’s stop talking about teachers for a minute. Ford has been a disaster.

 

[trick]

Probably but do will Ford. His ass is gone. Flip flopping clown. Any of these other places you’re talking about have leadership like ours?

I feel he'll probably be re-elected because votes will be split between Horwath and the turtle looking Liberal guy.

 

[JLova]

I feel he'll probably be re-elected because votes will be split between Horwath and the turtle looking Liberal guy.

There’s still time. I think a lot of thr people who voted before will vote lib or just not vote at all. We didn’t pick him, we just didn’t want Wynne. Still time for him to fukk up even more.

 

[thatrapsfan]

Firstly I doubt BC is as populated as southern Ontario, let alone a city like Toronto. Schools here are well over packed and they aren't making any headway on that issue. Also a lot more community travel and transmission in Toronto/southern Ontario. Secondly Doug Ford had 18 months to get a plan in place. He didn't. He's a reactionary dikk head who ponders to Toronto Sun readers and nobody else. He won his election on buck a beer. This is what we collectively get for voting that man in. People wanted Trump and got Ford. He comes out, makes a speech they dissapears for over half a month. That's a leader? Unions have the right to fight for employees. Especially when your government is ill equipped and lacks mental capacity. Kids are huge vectors. Also they are dirty and don't care about hygiene, adding to the problem. And in a city like Toronto where a$$holes like Ford and Lecce refuse to make a deal to provide affordable daycare, its grandmothers and old ladies(Filipinas) babysitting. Ford has dropped the ball, and expecting unions to say "fukk it" on his behalf is a joke. Their jobs are to look out for their employees, not some dumb fukk bumbling politician, whos daughter does everything to undermine anything decent he does.

I didn’t vote for Ford breh, you can read my post history, was actually arguing with guys on this thread about voting Ford being a mistake. He’s a buffoon no doubt, but it doesn’t justify what is happening on this issue.

I don’t agree with your claim about kids being huge vectors, there is a lot of studies and real-world data. But say that is true, it is totally moot when considering how transmissible Omicron is. It’s a certainty at this stage that every single person will get exposed to COVID and any talk about school safety should start from this fact. How do we keep teachers safe, when considering COVID is certainty, no matter your role or position in society? Only viable answer is vaccines. We have a huge uptake rate in Ontario and thankfully working age people are not ending up in hospitals anymore.

If we accept reality that COVID will never go away, that everyone will be exposed, and that we will see periods of case rises periodically - how do we keep schools open? The current approach will ensure they close multiple times every year. Other jurisdictions and countries know this, and have refused to close schools. Here it’s up to political lobbying and media campaigns to guide the decision. Maybe only hope will be Ford losing and unions relaxing their posture when they have a Government they prefer.

 

[85 East]

shyt leadership. Let’s stop talking about teachers for a minute. Ford has been a disaster.

This whole virus is because of bad leadership. People wanted to troll and put Trump and other people in office with zero leadership and 100% a$$hole tendencies. First thing Trump did when he got in office? Defund the WHO. Who picked up the slack? China. Who reported the virus first? Taiwan. Why couldn't the WHO act? Because their main benefactor China doesn't recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Trump and Xi's hubris has fukked the planet... So don't blame this on liberalism. Blame this on shytty wannabe dictators like Trump, Xi, Ford, and other fukk heads who aren't suited for the job, but sure as fukk con people out of the position

 

[SwizzLake]

 

[SwizzLake]

Probably but so will Ford. His ass is gone. Flip flopping clown. Any of these other places you’re talking about have leadership like ours?

Unfortunately we have no better option than Ford. I cannot believe I am saying this but it is the truth. The liberals would have shut everything out.

 

[JLova]

Unfortunately we have no better option than Ford. I cannot believe I am saying this but it is the truth. The liberals would have shut everything out.

I’d rather vote for a coli breh.

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

Unfortunately we have no better option than Ford. I cannot believe I am saying this but it is the truth. The liberals would shut everything out.

Both sides of the aisle are trash

The vax passport was a failure