The Official Socialism/Democratic Socialism/Communism/Marxism Thread

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DUN,
by welfare definition, when you hit $21,000 a year, you are in the "middle class" out of welfare need.
are you dumb?
think about that. you wanna tax those right out of the welfare brakket.
you wanna raise taxes on those people because they dont need welfare.

smfh.


you still think kennedy was an imperialist?? how??????
do you realize that BUSH jr had only a 4% average unemployment rate while obama had 9%
how is someone who finally gets a job and get some $$ to then get taxed and raped if they go over $21000..
how is that fair if they dont have a steady job to begin with?? obama put is into unemployment and inflation.

if anything, kennedy wouldve been a reagonomics lover

Buddy, that's called the working class. Sanders catches hell for wanting to raise taxes on ppl making like 200k not 20k.

Just to reiterate here; fukk JFK. And again, JFK wa talking about cutting taxes from war time highs(90% in spots even), you're talking about further cutting effective tax rates of 12%

 

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Buddy, that's called the working class. Sanders catches hell for wanting to raise taxes on ppl making like 200k not 20k.

Just to reiterate here; fukk JFK. And again, JFK wa talking about cutting taxes from war time highs(90% in spots even), you're talking about further cutting effective tax rates of 12%

so the working class starts at $21000?? lower class gets welfare help. not the middle class. you can't be making $1800 a month and be on welfare. or $21000 annually and be on welfare.
those under that number are welfare applicable depending on their over head. they will have their benefits cut down so it will turn them into a WORK force.
but there are no jobs for all these welfare recipients. they have to work 80 hours a month mandatory to receive benefits the middle class and upper class will be taxed for.
the difference is that the upper class has the extra money to pay this new tax. half of the "middle" class doesn't.
how is socialism gonna work? we dont even have a stable work force in america and most hate their jobs.
how can america be a workers democracy and be socialist???? no fukking way. we arent ready

you're bugging

 

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so the working class starts at $21000?? lower class gets welfare help. not the middle class. you can't be making $1800 a month and be on welfare. or $21000 annually and be on welfare.
those under that number are welfare applicable depending on their over head. they will have their benefits cut down so it will turn them into a WORK force.
but there are no jobs for all these welfare recipients. they have to work 80 hours a month mandatory to receive benefits the middle class and upper class will be taxed for.
the difference is that the upper class has the extra money to pay this new tax. half of the "middle" class doesn't.
how is socialism gonna work? we dont even have a stable work force in america and most hate their jobs.
how can america be a workers democracy and be socialist???? no fukking way. we arent ready

you're bugging

My take, we are ready

 

[JahFocus CS]

If you read through this thread and you're still defining class in terms of income, I do not know what to tell you

 

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sigh...

 

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End Private Property, Not Kenny Loggins | Jacobin

Lmao dude must have been lurking HL

 

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End Private Property, Not Kenny Loggins | Jacobin

Lmao dude must have been lurking HL

Thread worthy

 

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Most Russians Would Return to the Soviet Economic System - Poll

Russians love breadlines fellas

 

[BaggerofTea]

Most Russians Would Return to the Soviet Economic System - Poll

Russians love breadlines fellas

Stalinism was a bytch, the mentality is still strong amongst most Russians

 

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Stalinism was a bytch, the mentality is still strong amongst most Russians

I suspect a lot of soviet nostalgia is wrapped in nationalism(wrote a paper partly on this subject incidentally), but Soviet life wasn't all that bad post WW2. Especially in Russia proper.

 

[BaggerofTea]

I suspect a lot of soviet nostalgia is wrapped in nationalism(wrote a paper partly on this subject incidentally), but Soviet life wasn't all that bad post WW2. Especially in Russia proper.

Exactly where it comes from. Stalin played the Russian Nationalist card as what you would have expected out of fascist dictator. Russia's problem was that they were trying to economically and militarily expansive without the same level of resources that the Americans had (thanks to nationalism )

 

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Exactly where it comes from. Stalin played the Russian Nationalist card as what you would have expected out of fascist dictator. Russia's problem was that they were trying to economically and militarily expansive without the same level of resources that the Americans had (thanks to nationalism )

Stalin's dance with nationalism is a fascinating, fascinating subject. Probably too expansive for discussion here, but my general take on it is Stalin had a very adept understanding of nationalism as a force. However he himself was not a nationalist and feared Russian nationalism a great deal. This is most notably seen in the Leningrad purge following WW2, which was probably a direct response to proposals to bring about a specifically Russian governing body(Russia was governed wholly at the supranational level, every other soviet republic had a separate national government subordinate to the Soviet central committee).

As with everything about Stalin tho, it's a very complex, muddled issue

 

[BaggerofTea]

Stalin's dance with nationalism is a fascinating, fascinating subject. Probably too expansive for discussion here, but my general take on it is Stalin had a very adept understanding of nationalism as a force. However he himself was not a nationalist and feared Russian nationalism a great deal. This is most notably seen in the Leningrad purge following WW2, which was probably a direct response to proposals to bring about a specifically Russian governing body(Russia was governed wholly at the supranational level, every other soviet republic had a separate national government subordinate to the Soviet central committee).

As with everything about Stalin tho, it's a very complex, muddled issue

So how would you politically defined Stalin?

I have always viewed him as a out and out fascist who used communism as a vehicle to his own ends

 

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Reading Marx's Capital with David Harvey