THE OFFICIAL Marvel's GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY Thread
- Thread starter duncanthetall
- Start date
Come on man, ya'll cats are trying to make these things out to be deeper than they are. The Dark Knight was STILL a grown man dressed in a Bat costume fighting crime and supervillians. They were BOTH (Avengers and TDK) great movies, but they had two entirely different goals. Just because Avengers wasn't "dark and gritty" doesn't mean it wasn't quality or successful at their goal.
And keeping it real as far as COMIC BOOK movies go, and yes TDK WAS a COMIC BOOK movie, it was kinda subpar on that. Batman as a character was pretty weak and vapid. That movie was HEAVILY carried by Ledger's amazing performance as Joker. People say Marvel doesn't create good villains, well The Dark Knight didn't create a good hero.
Being "dark and gritty" had nothing to do with why TDK is a better movie than The Avengers.
And it goes beyond the amazing performance by Ledger too.
TDK was better written (yes I said written all you Goyer haters can suck a dikk), better acted all around, better directed, looked better and was a more fleshed out ambitious film than The Avengers.
Like I said...The Avengers was a good comic book movie but nobody was upset that it didn't get nominated for Best Picture. The Avengers was routinely coming in at around 1 or 2 on almost every major critics Top 10 lists in 2008. TDK was one of the best movies of the year that year. Its two different categories of filmmaking to be perfectly honest.
Ukbrotha
Superstar
I saw this and Cap2 this weekend. Both very good but i preferred Cap2 to gotg. ( although Guardians i guess was more fun).
Goyer didn't write the script for The Dark Knight or even The Dark Knight Rises. They were written by Christopher Nolan and his brother, Jonathan.Explain. With great detail please.
Because there was nothing groundbreaking about the TDK's story or plotline, so I fail to see where things were better written. Hell, I'll go as far to say Avengers did a MUCH better job of fleshing out ALL of its main characters and explaining why the stakes were so high. What made TDK stand out were the performances, which was mainly carried off the strength of Ledger.
And people only wanted TDK to get best picture because of Ledger's death and amazing performance winning that would have been an "ultimate feel good story". Anyone with any sort of common sense or logic KNEW it wasn't going to win Best Picture (and that's more of an indictment of the committee and their own biases).
And you keep saying they are two different categories of filmmaking.... my question is HOW? They are BOTH Comic Book movies. YES TDK had some "psychological thriller" elements to it, but it was really a supervillian causing fukkery. You are getting caught up in the mystique of Ledger's performance (which was superb btw) and trying to make this movie to be something deeper than Batman fighting the Joker.
Let's call a spade a spade here, ya'll.
I enjoyed the TDK trilogy too, but as far as being a comic book movie or actually capturing the essence of the Batman character or persona, they really did a subpar job. Baleman is almost nothing like Batman's actual character. And outside of TDK, the trilogy is just kind of average, Ledger's amazing performance boosted TDK to the stratosphere and that's evident by how BB and TDKR paled in comparison to TDK. Nolan directed ALL of those movies and they kept the same core cast through all of them, yet one of the 3 movies stands head to toe above the rest....
Let's be honest as to WHY that is.
I enjoyed the TDK trilogy too, but as far as being a comic book movie or actually capturing the essence of the Batman character or persona, they really did a subpar job. Baleman is almost nothing like Batman's actual character. And outside of TDK, the trilogy is just kind of average, Ledger's amazing performance boosted TDK to the stratosphere and that's evident by how BB and TDKR paled in comparison to TDK. Nolan directed ALL of those movies and they kept the same core cast through all of them, yet one of the 3 movies stands head to toe above the rest....
Let's be honest as to WHY that is.
Theyre two different categories of filmmaking because tdk is A+ in everything in the film process.
Nolan makes beautiful films. Tdk is one of his crowning achievements. From just a visual stand point it is breath taking in parts.
Avengers looks amatuerish. Its ugly as sin. Theirs very little thought in how its made. Camera angles are sinfully ugly. It looks a made for tv film in many many parts.
You may think its "fun" but objectively tdk is a superior film.
Crazy bullshyt replies right there
Goyer co-wrote the story with Christopher Nolan and the Nolan Brothers co-wrote the screenplay.
I already did in my other post.
Look, if you can't admit that there are different levels to movie making and Avengers is on one level while TDK is on another then I can't help you and I damn sure am not going to waste time going around in circles with you about it.
You think The Avengers was better I disagree. Cool...do you, homie.
Bruh all you said was "TDK was better written (yes I said written all you Goyer haters can suck a dikk), better acted all around, better directed, looked better and was a more fleshed out ambitious film than The Avengers"
EVERYTHING you said there is subjective and opinion. I'm not even saying I disagree with all of it, but you've said NOTHING factual there. Yes, TDK was considered one of the best movies of its year, but so was Avengers. They BOTH got raving reviews from every spectrum. What objective standards are you judging by that makes TDK a "superior" movie?
Batman begins is one of, if not the best comic book origin movies ever made.
Better than Iron Man 1 or Spider-Man 1?
And this is your opinion, bruh. What facts are you bringing to the table here?