The official KETO DIET THREAD

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I went throughout the entire page and still confused lol.

Is there a specific time you should eat or not eat? Is it similar to intermittent fasting where you eat from a certain time to certain time?

Basically someone just say “look idiot, eat this at 6am, this at noon, so forth and so forth”. Keep in mind I don’t eat pork so please no bacon suggestion.

I’m At 200, tryna get back down to 170-175
No, keto doesnt have a time frame of when to eat. Keto is just keeping your carbs below 50g while eating a high fat and moderate protein. Most people try for 20-30g carb a day. Extremists do 20g or less a day.

nikkas with the time frame are doing Intermittent fasting on top of keto.

Get turkey bacon breh, its better for u and still has good amount of fat
 

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No, keto doesnt have a time frame of when to eat. Keto is just keeping your carbs below 50g while eating a high fat and moderate protein. Most people try for 20-30g carb a day. Extremists do 20g or less a day.

nikkas with the time frame are doing Intermittent fasting on top of keto.

Get turkey bacon breh, its better for u and still has good amount of fat
Keep going. Don’t stop, educate me further.

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Keep going. Don’t stop, educate me further.

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Google: keto calculator. Youll get all your calorie intake and macros info there. Download myfitness pal to keep track of your calories and macros. Veggies/fruit with fiber in them u use net carbs instead of total carbs when tracking. What i mean by that, for example, avacado has 12g of total carbs. But since it has 9g of fiber, the net amount is 3g of carbs. So an avacado would count as 3g of carbs towards your daily intake. Basically u subtract the total carbs from the fiber(12-9). U do this with all foods that have fiber.

Youtube is a good source for getting started as well. Just google or youtube, keto for beginners and enjoy your trip.

Beware though, by day 3, youll get the keto flu but there are ways u can minimize the effect.
 

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Man I’m 2 weeks in and feel so damn good now. I don’t really have carb cravings, energy is back up and dropped 11 pounds so far. Down to 204 and starting to see some slight definition in stomach.

Only problem is my workouts went to shyt. I got back on creatine so hopefully that helps get some of my strength back.
 

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Keep going. Don’t stop, educate me further.

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There's a gang of keto advocates on youtube... I personally follow cats like Goody Beats, Thomas DeLauer, Jason Wittrock. There are also some Drs. who espouse a ketogenic diet, like Eric Berg, Ken Berry, and Darren Schmidt. I used to follow a dude named Fat Adapted Athlete, but his videos have been kinda wack after a long hiatus, and most his videos are not the most informative. Reddit has a good some good keto forums.
 

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Google: keto calculator. Youll get all your calorie intake and macros info there. Download myfitness pal to keep track of your calories and macros. Veggies/fruit with fiber in them u use net carbs instead of total carbs when tracking. What i mean by that, for example, avacado has 12g of total carbs. But since it has 9g of fiber, the net amount is 3g of carbs. So an avacado would count as 3g of carbs towards your daily intake. Basically u subtract the total carbs from the fiber(12-9). U do this with all foods that have fiber.

Youtube is a good source for getting started as well. Just google or youtube, keto for beginners and enjoy your trip.

Beware though, by day 3, you'll get the keto flu but there are ways u can minimize the effect.
:lupe: What's the... keto flu? *GULP* :whoa:
 

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A few questions:

  1. Surely you can only lose weight on a caloric deficit so what does a keto diet do differently if you are reaching your macros to lose weight anyway?
  2. Can you carb cycle off the keto diet (like 4 days on/3 days off eating normally)?
 
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The main change is really what you eat, not necessarily when. That said, when my brother recommended it to me, he said he did it with intermittent fasting as well., and he fasted (water only) for the first two days of it to kick-start the body's transition into ketosis (:damn:).

So long story short, during this I ate like, one meal a day and had a snack or two.

The diet itself is high fat, moderate protein, little to no carbs, no sugars. To make it easier (:sadcam:) I basically cut out all carbs and sugars. So no bread, pasta, fries, breaded meats, rice, sweets, sugary drinks, chips, potatoes, cereals, milk, etc.

You can have basically any meat -- even wings -- so long as they aren't breaded in flour or whatever. So steaks, grilled chicken, salmon, bacon, pork chops and what not is good to go. Gotta up the fat intake, so things like avocado, heavy cream, butter, dressings, olive/coconut oils (ranch, mayo and all that) are encouraged to be eaten and/pr cooked with. Veggies are good too (spinach, leafy greens), sans beans. Water is essential and basically the only thing you can for sure drink (black coffee by itself and I think unsweet tea is fine too). I also used those sugar-free drink mix powders to jazz up water.

Typical day for me was like:

Breakfast: Sausage link (or bacon strips) with two cheese eggs

Lunch: Breadless burgers (lettuce for bun) with avocado ranch dressing or some sort of salad or lettuce wrap variant

Snack: Salami slices with cheese

Dinner: Nothing. I didn't eat past 4 pm most days, and I find that I don't eat as much in general when I'm not at work.

I ended up cutting out breakfast a few days in and basically my window was 12-4. I don't recommend this, but I'm just telling you what I ended up doing.

As for exercise, I'd have to defer to someone else on that as I didn't have to do any of it. But from what I read/was told, a hardcore workout is not recommended on this diet, but some moderate cardio or light lifting session (in terms of time spent) might be OK. Will say that consensus is that exercise + Keto = :banderas: results.
What you just basically said is that you simply dropped your calories drastically by not consuming many carbs if at all.

You lost weight so much weight because carbs retain water. The human body is 70% water so that means when you go back to a normal diet yes you would have lost weight but it wouldn't be pure fat that you'd achieve in a regular diet and just gain the water weight back that wasn't part of the actual aggressive fat content of your initial weight loss.

This just sounds like an overly meticulous diet fad from my research today.

The dramatic weight loss isn't good as you'll most likely get excess skin if you are losing 14lbs-20lbs a month if you have 50lbs + to lose.

The skin would need time to regain its elasticity which is why professional health practitioners who are good at their craft state losing 1-2lbs of fat normally is sufficient to allow the skin time to heal to your body's new shape. Not everyone is the same so a dramatic weight loss for some may not display the same results for others.

Look at those health nuts on YouTube that lose 70lbs-100lbs in sub six months. They look literally like a saggy sack of bones

You'll just end up looking like the Boneless Chicken from Cow & Chicken.

The keto diet is good if you need to drop some lbs fast for a special event like a holiday, date, party or wedding etc.

But, how can you sustain not getting in enough grams of fibre in the day to not feel constipated?

Men need 36-40g of fiber a day so how on Earth can you reach that only eating 20g-50g of carbs?

Don't get me wrong I know this diet works but it cannot be a healthy way of living.

Even cavemen ate carbs especially grains all day long when meat was scarce which is the paleo diet


:manny: I was syked before I kept reading your stories. This all just sounds like a way to eventually fall off the wagon.

Imma just stick to my regular normal 150g of carbs a day to live happy and enjoy life.:hubie:




But, thanks you lot for sharing ya journeys imma give the fad diet a miss.:salute:
 
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:lupe: What's the... keto flu? *GULP* :whoa:

U feel weak and groggy. Some people get the shyts and rarely some vomit. Its just the way your body reacts to change. For me, i got the groggy and dizzyness. But it went away after i increased my salt and potassium.

U may be one of the lucky ones and not get it at all. Dont worry thougj, symptoms dont last long and u usually get them at night
 

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A few questions:

  1. Surely you can only lose weight on a caloric deficit so what does a keto diet do differently if you are reaching your macros to lose weight anyway?
  2. Can you carb cycle off the keto diet (like 4 days on/3 days off eating normally)?

Well heres the thing. Some keto people think calories in vs out is a myth. Ignore those people.


As for calories, trust me u wont go over. Its very hard. Fatty foods keep u full,even more so then protein. I was trying to go over due to the fact that i was at 1600 calories at the end of the day. shyt had me like :wtf:

I gradually bumped it up to 1800 by adding more oil to my foods.

I used myfitnesspal not for calories but for macros. But since it tracks your calories as well, u get to see that just for fun
 

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What you just basically said is that you simply dropped your calories drastically by not consuming many carbs if at all.

You lost weight so much weight because carbs retain water. The human body is 70% water so that means when you go back to a normal diet yes you would have lost weight but it wouldn't be pure fat that you'd achieve in a regular diet and just gain the water weight back that wasn't part of the actual aggressive fat content of your initial weight loss.

This just sounds like an overly meticulous diet fad from my research today.

The dramatic weight loss isn't good as you'll most likely get excess skin if you are losing 14lbs-20lbs a month if you have 50lbs + to lose.

The skin would need time to regain its elasticity which is why professional health practitioners who are good at their craft state losing 1-2lbs of fat normally is sufficient to allow the skin time to heal to your body's new shape. Not everyone is the same so a dramatic weight loss for some may not display the same results for others.

Look at those health nuts on YouTube that lose 70lbs-100lbs in sub six months. They look literally like a saggy sack of bones

You'll just end up looking like the Boneless Chicken from Cow & Chicken.

The keto diet is good if you need to drop some lbs fast for a special event like a holiday, date, party or wedding etc.

But, how can you sustain not getting in enough grams of fibre in the day to not feel constipated?

Men need 36-40g of fiber a day so how on Earth can you reach that only eating 20g-50g of carbs?

Don't get me wrong I know this diet works but it cannot be a healthy way of living.

Even cavemen ate carbs especially grains all day long when meat was scarce which is the paleo diet


:manny: I was syked before I kept reading your stories. This all just sounds like a way to eventually fall off the wagon.

Imma just stick to my regular normal 150g of carbs a day to live happy and enjoy life.:hubie:




But, thanks you lot for sharing ya journeys imma give the fad diet a miss.:salute:


U dont hit fat adaption until at least 2 weeks minimum. Its not unhealthy at all. U can get your fiber from spinach and avacados easily.


Respect your opinion but it isnt a fad diet at all. I went back to carbs recently but the way i felt and the energy i had was thru the roof. I might do it again later this year.

Yes u can carb cycle. Its usually 1 to 2 days a week.
 

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What you just basically said is that you simply dropped your calories drastically by not consuming many carbs if at all.

You lost weight so much weight because carbs retain water. The human body is 70% water so that means when you go back to a normal diet yes you would have lost weight but it wouldn't be pure fat that you'd achieve in a regular diet and just gain the water weight back that wasn't part of the actual aggressive fat content of your initial weight loss.

This just sounds like an overly meticulous diet fad from my research today.

The dramatic weight loss isn't good as you'll most likely get excess skin if you are losing 14lbs-20lbs a month if you have 50lbs + to lose.

The skin would need time to regain its elasticity which is why professional health practitioners who are good at their craft state losing 1-2lbs of fat normally is sufficient to allow the skin time to heal to your body's new shape. Not everyone is the same so a dramatic weight loss for some may not display the same results for others.

Look at those health nuts on YouTube that lose 70lbs-100lbs in sub six months. They look literally like a saggy sack of bones

You'll just end up looking like the Boneless Chicken from Cow & Chicken.

The keto diet is good if you need to drop some lbs fast for a special event like a holiday, date, party or wedding etc.

But, how can you sustain not getting in enough grams of fibre in the day to not feel constipated?

Men need 36-40g of fiber a day so how on Earth can you reach that only eating 20g-50g of carbs?

Don't get me wrong I know this diet works but it cannot be a healthy way of living.

Even cavemen ate carbs especially grains all day long when meat was scarce which is the paleo diet


:manny: I was syked before I kept reading your stories. This all just sounds like a way to eventually fall off the wagon.

Imma just stick to my regular normal 150g of carbs a day to live happy and enjoy life.:hubie:




But, thanks you lot for sharing ya journeys imma give the fad diet a miss.:salute:

That's all well and good, breh. Nothing wrong with that. But I knew going into it I wouldn't sustain anything like this for more than 2-3 weeks at a time, nor did I want to. Everything I read said this is only a short-term deal and anything more than that runs the risk of health issues, though some people have been able to make it work long-term. Personally, I like carbs and all that shyt too much to stick with it like that.

As for getting fiber, it was avocados and spinach for me. It was during this time I learned I don't care much for spinach. :scust:

I literally tried it only because my older brother urged me to do it after he got results from it (without any of the extra skin issues). I figured why not, lol.

For me, the most important thing is trying to keep the weight off and sustain a size as a benchmark while still working toward a goal. I mean, as my posts have shown, you can lose weight merely by not eating. And since that trial ended for me about two and a half weeks ago (when I weighed in at a shade over 260, 260.8 to be precise), I'm at 261 as of this morning. So I've not really added anything back on since going back to eating the food I like :manny:

I'd definitely go Keto again, maybe stretch it out to an extra week. But it'll be a while before I go again.
 

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Well heres the thing. Some keto people think calories in vs out is a myth. Ignore those people.


As for calories, trust me u wont go over. Its very hard. Fatty foods keep u full,even more so then protein. I was trying to go over due to the fact that i was at 1600 calories at the end of the day. shyt had me like :wtf:

I gradually bumped it up to 1800 by adding more oil to my foods.

I used myfitnesspal not for calories but for macros. But since it tracks your calories as well, u get to see that just for fun
But, how do you reach your recommended daily allowances for vitamins and minerals and especially fibre naturally.

How can you reach 38g of fibre which is the minimum for men.

I can easily meet 50g of fibre everyday. How could you do that eating low carb vegetables. That's like eating 6lbs (2.6kg) of broccoli or spinach a day to meet fibre requirements. I know they'd come from a mixture of sources but 2.6kg of vegetables each and everyday sounds ridiculous and expensive.

100g of spinach in the UK costs £1 so I'd need to spend upwards of £26 everyday to not have my arse turn into a faucet tap.

I know fibre, fat and protein keep you more satiated than simple carbs which is the crux for the keto diet but it doesn't seem feasible in anyway you look at it in the long term on a financial level and an emotional spirit level.

I don't want to be broke, tired and hungry just to remain relatively healthy.

IDK man. Imma pass on this keto diet.

The only thing that works for me to keep the water retention down without reducing my carb intake at all is Intermittent Fasting and eating all my macros within a 6-8/9 hour window. I just have two big meals and a snack before bed which looks like

10am Breakfast:
  • 100g High Bran cereal (Kellogs All Bran)
  • 50g Flame raisins
  • 250ml Coconut milk (fortified)
  • 10g (dehusked) Sunflower seeds

4pm/5pm Dinner:
  • 150g Bulgur Wheat
  • 400-500g of meat (beef/chicken/salmon/tuna/lean pork/goat/lamb)
  • 15g-20g og Rapeseed oil for pan frying or grilling the meat
  • Any fruit and/or veg to meet my RDA of Vitamin A and Vitamin C for the day (Cantaloupe/spinach/kale/oranges/carrots/peas etc)
Snack:
  • Leftovers from dinner so that I don't go over macros for the day.




You see I can eat anywhere from 125-130g of carbs a day and function properly and not feel tired. But, giving my stomach time to digest works the best for naturally allowing your body time to process the toxins and water retention in your body so you can piss it out efficiently.

There's no need to starve yourself and be constipated just to lose weight and have it all come back if you don't stop the fad diet because all you're doing is losing mostly water weight.

There is a reason why you can only lose 1-3lbs of fat a week and it's all simple maths.

You could only truly lose that much weight if you were bedridden or had some kind of bowel autoimmune disease.

Like I said, more power to you if it works in anyway for you but the method behind it is flawed and not sustainable.
 

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That's all well and good, breh. Nothing wrong with that. But I knew going into it I wouldn't sustain anything like this for more than 2-3 weeks at a time, nor did I want to. Everything I read said this is only a short-term deal and anything more than that runs the risk of health issues, though some people have been able to make it work long-term. Personally, I like carbs and all that shyt too much to stick with it like that.

As for getting fiber, it was avocados and spinach for me. It was during this time I learned I don't care much for spinach. :scust:

I literally tried it only because my older brother urged me to do it after he got results from it (without any of the extra skin issues). I figured why not, lol.

For me, the most important thing is trying to keep the weight off and sustain a size as a benchmark while still working toward a goal. I mean, as my posts have shown, you can lose weight merely by not eating. And since that trial ended for me about two and a half weeks ago (when I weighed in at a shade over 260, 260.8 to be precise), I'm at 261 as of this morning. So I've not really added anything back on since going back to eating the food I like :manny:

I'd definitely go Keto again, maybe stretch it out to an extra week. But it'll be a while before I go again.
I find IF works just as well. But, it is all down to calories and getting the right macros. You could lose 15-20 lbs by eating 1000 kcals everyday for a month with no exercise which is essentially what you guys are describing as your keto diet.

You can only simply lose that much weight at that for a normally active male. You guys are probably eating around 1500 kcals and satiating yourselves with the fiber from the vegetables which themselves are full of water which also helps you too feel full then going to the gym and burning 200-300 kcals from exercise 3-5 times a week.

It is simple maths. No diet will make you lose weight it all depends on the caloric expenditure to not gain weight. This was proven by that pink skin cave bytch in the early 00s that just ate McDonalds and twinkies for a month and lost a ton of weight by just eating at a caloric deficit. It has nothing to do with what you eat or how your eat it all depends on how much you eat that allows you to lose weight.

Essentially what I'm saying is if you met your macros in the normal way but at a caloric deficit you'd lose the exact same amount of weight.

Also, to get 40-50g of fibre from avocados or spinach I'd need to spend around £22 everyday just to reach my fibre RDA but then I'd be severely over eating calories which would work if you ate spinach because of the low fat content.
 
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