The Official Joe Budden Podcast Thread

[HiiiPower]

Imagine a mal only podcast

 

[FreshAIG]

Without knowing any details I'd hope that the whole group has witnessed enough shytty deals with quick up front dough.

It's one thing to see someone's else shytty deal that's worth millions and say "They would be crazy to sign that, they'd be giving up XYZ"

It's a whole different ballgame when that same contract is offered to you. It's not as easy to dismiss.

 

[Fani Willis fan]

I was thinking about this as I listened to Joe's rant. Joe has made a lot of money over the last few years from outside ventures that's made him comfortably a millionaire.

But Rory, Mal and Parks aren't close to making that kinda money. I wonder if deep down they want Joe to take the deal, but are afraid to say it. Some part of them probably wants to take the deal.

Of course.
The only thing they count on is that Joe has delivered a successful product 2 times already, they’re counting on the third contract being the one he finally settles on.
Thats why Joe asks them if they trust him.

 

[Morethan1]

Joe acting like he built Spotify with his own hands.

He needs to understand that if he was that good he would have a deal. This is outside of spotify. If you built something people will want you. Peep Bill Simmons

Joe over values himself

 

[Lil Bape the PostGod]

“I told Ian I could afford to lose these M’s...but could my guys do the same?”

First off I peeped how he said Ms in plural

But joe saying that was the thing that had him losing sleep that night is some real shyt ..imagine being able to change your friends lives immediately, but knowing you could get more with a little more sacrifice they might not understand in the moment...I’m curious what their behind the scenes convos are like about the negotiations

 

[5n0man]

I see both sides of the argument.

I understand that joe is mad that podcast that aren't as big as his got a much bigger bag, but spotify was clearly looking for ownership and Joe wasn't trying to sign away everything.

Those other podcast got a big bag for selling ownership to spotify, Joe cant really be mad if he wasn't willing to go all in with them.

 

[REdefinition]

He needs to understand that if he was that good he would have a deal. This is outside of spotify. If you built something people will want you. Peep Bill Simmons

Joe over values himself

Yeah, there's gotta be a balance of fighting for what you deserve and being realistic. Like a lot of creators, he want's a big company to pony up a bag and absorb risk. When you're REALLY that confident in what you offer, why isn't investing in yourself and taking that risk an option? What's stopping Joe from creating an app and charging a couple bucks a month for podcast access and maybe some other features?

 

[Morethan1]

Doesn't sound like Spotify was dealing in good faith. Manipulated numbers in order to not give their bonuses.... wouldn't give time off....had Bill fukking Simmons calling to try and coax them to pod while Joe's dad was fighting COVID..... wanted to 360 them mufukkas.....dont have the metrics for folks that signed up using the JBP promo code . I get Joe's talk. I get it. They over-performed and now Spotify is trying to get a bigger piece. I wouldn't have signed that shyt either

Videos coming up on YouTube with no 2 day delay starting Sept 23rd.... potentially another deal somewhere else. Tough to have a deal on the table for millions and leave that shyt, especially when you don't have millions. If those numbers like how they say, Spotify may take a noticeable hit on the podcast side. We'll have to see

They should've known there value before singing the deal. This is not the 1st time he got jerked. He's not good at business

 

[Ineedmoney504]

He needs to understand that if he was that good he would have a deal. This is outside of spotify. If you built something people will want you. Peep Bill Simmons

Joe over values himself

Well maybe he plan on leaving and building his own thing until he gets what he wants. No reason to let somebody 360 deal you when you already a brand

 

[Rev]

To double back on the Spotify talk....

The fact that Joe didn't seem to understand why Spotify was against them either having no episodes or half assed episodes over the holidays speaks volumes about his mindset, and why he isn't where he thinks he should be in success.

Failure to understand, or at least see the bigger picture from multiple angles will always kneecap your earning potential. Joe was thinking about taking time off. Spotify was looking at that week span traditionally being a higher volume consumption period for all forms of media, and especially streaming audio services. Them either taking that time off, or coming with a half assed episode (which, let's be honest, is exactly what would've happened if they tried to pound out their normal schedule of episodes along with pre recording a couple of extras) wouldn't have worked out in the way they thought it would.

Also, Joe effectively engineered them offering the equivalent of a 360 deal by running the video version on YouTube. I think when they got the first deal done, either both sides underestimated how many people were willing to wait for video (or, probably more accurately, are already conditioned to using YouTube with its methods of monetizing viewers, over starting to deal with Spotify), or the pod's side of the negotiations willingly misrepresented the video audience. Either way, they had to know that Spotify wasn't going to be cool with leaving money on the table that's going to another direct competitor (don't forget YouTube Music is a thing, and gives the bonus of eliminating ads on YouTube). It also doesn't help their argument that The Pull Up is run on the same channel as the pod. Makes it easy for Spotify to argue that a considerable portion of the views for that show come from people who were originally there for the podcast they're supposedly paying to make exclusive.

What's baffling is that from the outside looking in, it seems like the easy answer was to counter with offering to move the video version of the pod to Spotify exclusively, and then give The Pull Up its own channel to fully separate the two. Then, even if it's a bullshyt deal, have any future promos of Dussepalooza, or other projects appear to be paid. Their whole argument for getting into their pockets for everything else was that all those Ms Joe was bragging about seeing were promoted or set up on what was effectively company time, since they were paying for those episodes.

For a guy that essentially brags about never having had a real job, Joe is out here showing that he hasn't learned one of the most important lessons of being an employee: don't develop shyt that can be proven was done on the company's time, or the company's dime.

word. in essence, it almost seems like Joe resents the Rogan deal because Rogan was able to build all of it on YouTube while also uploading to the different podcast platforms "independently"...then turning around and signing an exclusive licensing-only deal with a major provider for a period of time. the major difference is that Rogan gets a bunch of monthly money in advertising.

if Joe resents that deal so much, it must mean he regrets signing with Spotify for 2 years in the first place...when they could've continued building the way they were. the difference is they collectively say they were pretty broke at the time, and i imagine they couldn't have financially afforded to keep doing it that way for whatever reasons.

 

[Morethan1]

Well maybe he plan on leaving and building his own thing until he gets what he wants. No reason to let somebody 360 deal you when you already a brand

But now they don't have a deal at all. Answer me this if he has a brand why haven't Google ,Apple or Tidal given them a deal?

900% 1st podcast he has the resume

 

[Legal]

Oh shyt. I am laughing at Spotify hitting Joe with the exact same idea I brought up previously. Why not work an extra day or put in an extra hour or two on one of the podcast days and record and extra hour or two of content that's not time specific. Some of their discussions they said they'd go back to like an 90's R&B bracket or something like that. Then compile episodes around those discussions and drop them when needing a vacation. The fact that Joe was too stubborn to do that and then bytches that they couldn't' get those vacation days shows some diva tendencies on his end. shyt all these three hour pods wasn't needed. Make it a two hour pod and use the third hour to record fill in content was a logical ass request from Spotify.

EDIT: I ain't realize you basically said the exact same thing. Also they're bytching about ads too. It seems Joe wants Spotify to do everything for them but doesn't want to do shyt for spotify. I'm saying that in regards to reading ads. All these podcasts have ads that don't necessarily have shyt to do with the actual podcasts but it's a way of generating revenue.

Like others pointed out they have the numbers on viewers listening habits and how many are premium subscribers and how much they use Spotify. Joe seems crazy naive in regards to how revenue is generated.

It's literally the exact same problem Joe had in his music career.

My thing is though, if you're going to expect your label/streaming platform/partner to do most of the work outside of creating the content, you can't be surprised when they want more money than you'd like.

As someone who's podcasted before, it's nowhere near as simple as just making sure the show itself is good. An absolute fukkton of work goes into making a podcast popular and profitable and keeping it that way. And, whether it's just one person, or a giant corporation, you deserve to get paid for your work.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

But now they don't have a deal at all. Answer me this if he has a brand why haven't Google ,Apple or Tidal given them a deal?

900% 1st podcast he has the resume

He not out his deal with Spotify yet. He was clearly hinted at other platforms and I’m sure they have deals in place.

they don’t need a deal if it’s a rape.

imagine signing a deal and you heavy out performed and nikka come back to you with a 360 deal


Sounds like a rape deal. They gonna do they thing and eat elsewhere

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Imagine a mal only podcast

shyt would be 6 hours long

 

[CrimsonTider]

I was thinking about this as I listened to Joe's rant. Joe has made a lot of money over the last few years from outside ventures that's made him comfortably a millionaire.

But Rory, Mal and Parks aren't close to making that kinda money. I wonder if deep down they want Joe to take the deal, but are afraid to say it. Some part of them probably wants to take the deal.

Well it’s not a democracy. Their entire earning potential from This depends on how invested Joe is in podding.

honestly I feel sorry for them because Joe is so overwhelming important to this entire operation that they can’t do anything but move as he moves