The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[ill]

But they have.

The problem, clear to all but the most truest of believers, is what comes next.

You've defeated them. They know this.

So are you going to give them their own land, a Lil something something, the most minimal of concessions to allow for some semblance of independence and sovereignty that can somewhat be In line with the aims of the original intention (partition)? A few crumbs off the table to allow for the possibility of peaceful co existence moving forward?

Nope, Israel won't do that

OK then will you, having conquered them and having full control of the land, river to the sea, have you proposed some form of co existence under full Israeli sovereignty that comes even somewhat close to full democratic and civil rights?

Nope, won't do that either

You picked Option C, perpetual military occupation. You disguise it for the dummies by turning on the PA puppet show for them.

Having chosen Option C, respectfully shut the fukk up and deal with a population EQUAL IN SIZE to yours, that you have decided to keep under perpetual military occupation

You mean you want to dismiss all of the times Israel offered all of the above but Palestinians found a reason that it "wasn't good enough" so they continued doing dumb shyt to Israel? Palestine has never been in a position of power nor have they had leverage. Pride is whats gotten them here. Not accepting defeat is whats gotten them here. You claim "they know this"....yet their actions have shown otherwise since 67. People that "know this" don't continue fighting. They dont continue the resistance. They dont continue propagandizing their children to hate and want to kill Israelis.

LOL @ Palestinians welcoming Israeli sovereignty. They would be in a much better place if they had. Ex: Compare the lives of Arab Israelis to those in WB and Gaza....

The perpetual military state would cease to exist the moment you accept defeat. The perpetual military state exists because you have not accepted reality and continue fighting.

 

[42 Monks]

this is the dumbest thing i've seen i think

hamas basically kicking off a globally accepted genocide of palestine. just fukking unreal

 

[ill]

There was nothing dummy. What hope was there? What state?

Let them collapse the whole zone.

Kamikaze missions only end one way.

But do you

 

[newarkhiphop]

where Hamas get the call of duty upgrades from

 

[Chronic]

where Hamas get the call of duty upgrades from

That looks like from video game

 

[Teal.]

where Hamas get the call of duty upgrades from

This is a video game

 

[Techniec]

You mean you want to dismiss all of the times Israel offered all of the above but Palestinians found a reason that it "wasn't good enough" so they continued doing dumb shyt to Israel? Palestine has never been in a position of power nor have they had leverage. Pride is whats gotten them here. Not accepting defeat is whats gotten them here. You claim "they know this"....yet their actions have shown otherwise since 67. People that "know this" don't continue fighting. They dont continue the resistance. They dont continue propagandizing their children to hate and want to kill Israelis.

LOL @ Palestinians welcoming Israeli sovereignty. They would be in a much better place if they had. Ex: Compare the lives of Arab Israelis to those in WB and Gaza....

The perpetual military state would cease to exist the moment you accept defeat. The perpetual military state exists because you have not accepted reality and continue fighting.

^ absolute nonsense, and the shyt is getting tiring. We literally lived through this. Please give me one example of a good faith Israeli negotiation in the last 30 years? What concessions have they made? What steps have they taken?

Israel does not recognize Palestinian sovereignty and they don't recognize them as citizens. It's that simple. WB was relatively calm for decades, the PA is completely compliant, what tangible steps did Israel take towards Palestinian sovereignty or citizenship?

It hasn't done shyt because it can afford not to. Maybe this will wake them up. Palestinians clearly don't give a fukk they have nothing to lose

 

[Techniec]

Kamikaze missions only end one way.

But do you

Rather kamikaze then another 60 years of military occupation

 

[ill]

The perpetual military state would cease to exist the moment you accept defeat. The perpetual military state exists because you have not accepted reality and continue fighting.

^ absolute nonsense, and the shyt is getting tiring. We literally lived through this. Please give me one example of a good faith Israeli negotiation in the last 30 years? What concessions have they made? What steps have they taken?

Israel does not recognize Palestinian sovereignty and they don't recognize them as citizens. It's that simple. WB was relatively calm for decades, the PA is completely compliant, what tangible steps did Israel take towards Palestinian sovereignty or citizenship?

It hasn't done shyt because it can afford not to. Maybe this will wake them up. Palestinians clearly don't give a fukk they have nothing to lose

I don’t think this is going to go the way you think it’s going to go

 

[Techniec]

It's one thing to attack hardened military or even state targets like a courthouse or something like that. But its HARD to justify this series of attacks against civilians. Now, I'm not caping for the IDF or anything Israel has done. But HAMAS, for some reason, did not understand that something of this magnitude will not only warrant a response. It completely evaporates whatever goodwill they still had with power brokers in the West.

You got videos of young girls getting kidnapped, festivals getting blown up. These ain't the images that get people on your side. We can talk all day about the atrocity of past century. But IN THIS MOMENT, they overplayed their hand and totally fukked up.

It was over before...but its CURTAINS now.

What good will?

And why you crying about festivals, my question is why are these man's having festivals when 5 million human beings are under military occupation kms away?

I think your priorities is backwards Playa

I'm appreciating the footage of the military arm of the Palestinian resistance attacking military bases and police stations

Yall crying about a few civilians here and there while Israelis routinely wipe out high rise residential buildings

fukk out of here

 

[voiture]

where Hamas get the call of duty upgrades from

looks fake, they way the helicopter fell is very suspect

 

[Techniec]

I don’t think this is going to go the way you think it’s going to go

Nah homie I know and Hamas knows exactly where it's gonna go, they WANT TO take it there

I don't think u nor the Israelis understand how to deal with the world to come, whatever it is, it will not be the status quo that Israel has not only gotten accustomed to, but was in its best interests

What yall gonna do?

Kill 50,000 Palestinians. No problem. Won't change shyt.

Destroy Hamas completely. No problem. Another military unit will arise.

Mass incarcerate tens of thousands? No problem. You've turned them into heroes, martyrs and political prisoners, Palestinians been dealing with this for decades.

Shut down the Palestinian Authority?
Hamas will thank you themselves

Impose even greater sanctions on Gaza? The Palestinians will persevere, as they've always done.

Annex more land? Whatever they been doing it.



On the flip side what does an incredible escalation due for Iran's standing? What does it do to MBS peace plan? How does it effect Israeli society once its had a chance to absorb this all? What does this mean for PA?

Does Israel want to place it all under military occupation? Full annexation? Bring it on. Israel will go back to being on perpetual war footing, waging perpetual counter insurgency and eventually turn into a full on fascist police state, it'll turn on its own, it already has.

But at least we won't have any more fukking festivals next door to an open door prison for millions

Burn this whole thing down

 

[BigBlackSea]

Hamas/ Palestinians are gonna have go all-in. This is situation Israel had been itching for: total war that'll give them a blank check to finish their genocide.

 

[Loose]

It's one thing to attack hardened military or even state targets like a courthouse or something like that. But its HARD to justify this series of attacks against civilians.

No its not. They have stolen/ killed hundreds of thousands and live on their land. They should have been doing this, fukk that survivalist live with your oppressors shyt. Israel has incarcerated and killed hundreds of thousands of palestians

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

I feel you. But the equal population size means nothing when you're so technologically inferior. The fire power and training of one IDF solider is equal to that of potentially 4-5 HAMAS and 10+ Palestine civilians. Numbers are irrelevant here.

I've usually been pro-Palestine, but you CANNOT bomb innocent people in concert halls and festivals and expect the world to be on your side. Flat out. These weren't hardened military or even state targets.

Israel now has a full blown casus belli to wipe Gaza off the map and take it over completely. HAMAS has basically signed the Palestinian state's death warrant.

The irony in all of this like Israel hasn’t been bombing and killing innocent Palestinians for damn near a century. The world is still on their side though

Israel was/is NEVER going to stop occupying and oppressing Palestine. All of this pearl clutching and subsequent “oh now yall really made them mad!” As if they weren’t brutal warlords to begin with is straight up shilling.