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And it was a negotiated deal not through scorched earth campaign
Okay

kinda missing the forest for the trees there lol

How do you feel about Hamas not letting The Red Cross have access to the hostages?

How do you feel about Hamas drugging the hostages?
 

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If Hamas was angling for some deal they would've taken better care of the hostages maybe?

Hamas leadership keeps making inflammatory statements about defeating Israel and going to Jerusalem

Hamas did fukk all to protect their civilian population since October so there's some really really mixed messages being sent

:leostare:
 

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Okay

kinda missing the forest for the trees there lol

How do you feel about Hamas not letting The Red Cross have access to the hostages?

How do you feel about Hamas drugging the hostages?
Look. We were assured that Hamas was treating the hostages well through astroturfing.

So now the narrative has to be that terrorists who aren't alive or died in captivity only could have died because of Israel.

It's a textbook influence campaign and folks have somehow skipped over one of the biggest issues here -- these folks shouldn't have been subject to this in the first place.

The kibbutz made famous was one of the more peaceful ones that actually supported palestianians.

Either way, hamas is a shyt group with no aims for peace or a desire for a peaceful coexistence.

The truth is, folks have somehow rationalized how gazans arent different than hamas, but on the flipside every Israeli is the same as Bibi.

It's cognitive dissonance.
 

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If Hamas was angling for some deal they would've taken better care of the hostages maybe?

Hamas leadership keeps making inflammatory statements about defeating Israel and going to Jerusalem

Hamas did fukk all to protect their civilian population since October so there's some really really mixed messages being sent

:leostare:
You're arguing with someone who supports terror.

Hamas doesn't care about a better deal. Their whole goal was to make that person feel sorry for them...After an unprovoked terror attack Ona peaceful festival. That's it.
 

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The fact that the onus is being placed on Israel and not the kidnappers is wild self bargaining.
Okay

kinda missing the forest for the trees there lol

How do you feel about Hamas not letting The Red Cross have access to the hostages?

How do you feel about Hamas drugging the hostages?
Hostages should be released and not harmed by Hamas and whoever.

Israel has destroyed the Gaza Strip and killed hostages in this bombardment.

If it was about bringing them all home, this should have been done in November. And yes, Israel is the superior power here. If they wanted all the hostages, releasing all those Palestinian prisoners was always going to be the cost.

Everyone knows Hamas isn’t going to be destroyed. That objective was the excuse to do collective punishment, starvation and genocide.

Biden has gotten played. And the mad man in Tel Aviv wants to set off a regional war.
 

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Hostages should be released and not harmed by Hamas and whoever.

Israel has destroyed the Gaza Strip and killed hostages in this bombardment.

If it was about bringing them all home, this should have been done in November. And yes, Israel is the superior power here. If they wanted all the hostages, releasing all those Palestinian prisoners was always going to be the cost.

Everyone knows Hamas isn’t going to be destroyed. That objective was the excuse to do collective punishment, starvation and genocide.

Biden has gotten played. And the mad man in Tel Aviv wants to set off a regional war.
 

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Look. We were assured that Hamas was treating the hostages well through astroturfing.

So now the narrative has to be that terrorists who aren't alive or died in captivity only could have died because of Israel.

It's a textbook influence campaign and folks have somehow skipped over one of the biggest issues here -- these folks shouldn't have been subject to this in the first place.

The kibbutz made famous was one of the more peaceful ones that actually supported palestianians.

Either way, hamas is a shyt group with no aims for peace or a desire for a peaceful coexistence.

The truth is, folks have somehow rationalized how gazans arent different than hamas, but on the flipside every Israeli is the same as Bibi.

It's cognitive dissonance.
This is blatant lie and you know it.

Israeli citizens are calling for Bibi to step down which has been shown here. Israeli protesters getting arrested by Israeli police. Hostage families telling Israel to negotiate for release months ago. All shown in this thread, but that doesn’t fit your bias scenario.

Haaretzis the paper that blew the whistle on Israel’s AI bombing.

Bibi is running a sh1tshow and anyone showing it is just rationalizing in favor of Hamas huh?

Hamas didn’t make Israel pass a law shutting down media it found to be hurting the country

But showing Israeli settlers in the West Bank stopping aid trucks is bias in your mind.
 
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It's cognitive dissonance.
it’s just funny how when you or 88 point out that Israel isn’t going to agree to the 67 borders or settlers aren’t going agree to give back those lands it’s just being matter of fact.

But if we point out they aren’t going to bomb Hamas to a win, which Israel intelligence also said, and should negotiate to get the hostages back. We’re not being matter of fact we are in favor of Hamas or putting the onus on Israel with our cognitive dissonance

Square this dissonance. Defend a government whose job 1 is to help its people from people saying save as many hostages as you can.

Israel doesn't care about the hostages. We know that.

And it's fairly clear that their society as a whole is willing to treat them as a type of cannon fodder to reach their larger goals.

It's no secret. They're saying in the open.
 
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