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We've really jumped the shark when we're describing relics of the Roman empire this way. :pachaha:
Nobody's buying your nihilistic, let the world burn character ever since you let your mask slip in that 4am emotional, drunken rant.

So calling people being harassed and displaced by the state 'relics of the Roman empire' just doesn't hit the same anymore :manny:
 

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Nobody's buying your nihilistic, let the world burn character ever since you let your mask slip in that 4am emotional, drunken rant.

So calling people being harassed and displaced by the state 'relics of the Roman empire' just doesn't hit the same anymore :manny:
No, I just commented on the irony of attempting to virtue signal land rights of one settler group over a other.

Let's be clear. That's those people's land and they shouldn't be displaced. Wars were fought and that land is the result. Similarly, Israel right to their land shouldn't be in dispute either.

But you know what, maybe the Palestinians should have followed the path of the Armenian Christians and, as you said, live peacefully with Israelis after they lost the war.

ad hominems galore :pachaha:

I don't want to seethe world burn. But I don't care if these groups want to kill each other indefinitely. It won't affect my life much. Ive already traveled to the holy land :blessed:
 

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Recorded Armenian presence in Israel dates back to the 1st century BCE, when the Armenian king Tigranes the Great made much of Judea a vassal of the Kingdom of Armenia

lol

Anyways it doesn't sound like the Jews or the Muslims have been very kind to their minorities

On the bright side the Christians became Muslims I guess?

guess the Armenian sub groups aren't fans of each other either



some of you guys are just going to have to accept you're dealing with fanatics
 
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Hamas May Not Have Enough Living Hostages for Cease-Fire Deal
The group is in discussions with Israel over releasing 40 women, children, elderly and sick captives

By Summer Said, Nancy A. Youssef and Jared Malsin
Updated April 11, 2024 at 1:26 pm ET

The 40 hostages, including women, children, elderly men and those in fragile health, would be released under a U.S.-supported plan for a six-week cease-fire in the war in Gaza. In exchange, Israel would release hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.

Instead, the militant group has been unable to confirm that it has enough civilian hostages to fulfill its end of the deal in the initial phase of the proposed plan, complicating talks toward a possible cease-fire in the six-month-old war that has left much of Gaza in ruins.

A Hamas official said the group wouldn’t commit to releasing 40 living hostages but could commit to 40 hostages total, which could mean dead or alive.


Hadas Kalderon’s ex-husband Ofer remains captive in Gaza. Photo: abir sultan/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock
The admission by the militant group, which took more than 240 hostages during its lethal Oct. 7 attack on Israel, has heightened fears among families of the hostages, who are piling pressure on the Israeli government to cut a deal with Hamas that would pause the fighting and free at least some of the remaining captives.

“Every day without a deal endangers them. For half a year, they have been toying with their lives, permitting their blood to be spilled,” said Hadas Kalderon, the mother of two children who were kidnapped by Hamas and later freed, speaking at a protest outside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office on Tuesday. The children’s father remains in captivity.

The Israeli government has rejected the families’ accusation that it hasn’t made the hostages a priority and says freeing the captives is a top priority of the war. Both Israel and Hamas responded critically to a new U.S. cease-fire proposal this week.

The Israeli military declined to comment on estimates of how many hostages may remain alive. The Israeli prime minister’s office declined to comment on the matter.

Palestinians returned to Khan Younis after Israel said it finished operations in the southern Gaza city. WSJ’s Dov Lieber explains how the withdrawal could factor into cease-fire negotiations. Photo: Ismael Abu Dayyah/AP
The exact number of hostages still alive is a central issue in the negotiations toward a cease-fire deal. Proposals by the U.S. and Arab states envision Israel releasing Palestinian prisoners, in varying numbers, in return for different types of Israeli hostages including civilians, female soldiers, male soldiers and the bodies of dead captives. Ambiguity around the number of living hostages and their identities could impede progress in the talks.

Separately, U.S. intelligence reports indicate that an attack on Israeli assets by Iran or its militia allies could be imminent, U.S. officials said Wednesday, as the top American military commander for the Middle East headed to Israel to coordinate a response.

Iran has publicly threatened to retaliate for a strike in Syria on an Iranian diplomatic building in Damascus last week, presumed to be the work of Israel, that killed top Iranian military officials, including a senior member of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ elite Quds Force.

The U.S. alert offers yet another sign of how Israel’s war in Gaza following the Oct. 7 attacks has spread into a regional conflict, which in turn is complicating a resolution of disputes between Israel and Hamas. Among those, hostages remain at the forefront.


The city of Khan Younis, in southern Gaza, has been largely destroyed over the course of Israel’s six-month war. Photo: Fatima Shbair/Associated Press
Around 130 remaining hostages taken in the attack are still in Gaza. Of those, Israeli officials have publicly confirmed that 34 are dead, but Israeli and American officials estimate privately that the number of deaths could be much higher. More than 100 other hostages were freed during a weeklong cease-fire in a deal with Hamas in November.

U.S. and Israeli officials believe that some of the remaining hostages are being held by Hamas and used as human shields around the group’s leadership, which Israeli officials believe is hiding in tunnels in southern Gaza.

Some U.S. estimates indicate that most of the hostages are already dead, U.S. officials familiar with the intelligence said. They stressed, however, that U.S. visibility on the hostages is limited and depends, in part, on Israeli intelligence. Some were likely killed during Israeli strikes on Gaza, the officials said, while others have died from health issues, including injuries suffered during their initial capture.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment.

The latest estimates mark a notable increase from recent U.S. assessments. As recently as February, Israeli and U.S. officials believed that at least 50 hostages had been killed, suggesting that roughly 80 remained alive.

The majority of the dead died as a result of wounds they suffered during the Oct. 7 attack. Others were already dead when militants took their bodies into Gaza and some are believed to have been killed by Hamas in captivity. The Israeli military in December also said it mistakenly shot and killed three hostages. At least one died in a failed Israeli rescue mission.

Hamas officials for weeks have told negotiators that the group was unable to confirm how many hostages remain alive, according to Arab mediators talking directly to the group. Egypt and Qatar are acting as intermediaries in negotiations between Hamas and Israel.

At times, Hamas argued that providing information on the remaining hostages would mean giving up leverage in the negotiations, the mediators said.

Hamas has also repeatedly said that it needs a pause in fighting to track and collect the hostages. The group made the argument before it agreed to the November cease-fire deal, an agreement that eventually collapsed in part because Hamas failed to produce a list of 10 living civilian women and children held in Gaza.

Hamas repeated the argument on Thursday. “Part of negotiations is to reach a ceasefire agreement to have enough time and safety to collect final and more precise data about the captured Israelis, because they are in different places by different groups, some of them are under the rubble killed with our own people,” Basem Naim, a member of the Hamas political bureau in Gaza, said on the group’s Telegram channel.

Mediators believe that the majority of the remaining hostages who remain alive are younger male hostages, including soldiers.

One solution to Hamas’s refusal to provide a list of 40 civilian hostages slated for release in the initial phase of the deal would be to include captive Israeli soldiers. Hamas has been reluctant to do that because it is demanding a much higher price for the soldiers, including the release of Palestinian prisoners serving long sentences on terrorism-related charges.

Hamas has also sought a deal that would end the war in Gaza and demanded a full Israeli withdrawal from the enclave. The group also aims to negotiate the release of senior Palestinian political and militant leaders, including Fatah leader Marwan Barghouti, as a part of the final phase of a potential cease-fire deal with Israel, according to officials familiar with the talks.

In Israel, a forensic medical committee is tasked with determining hostage deaths from afar using classified intelligence. Members of the committee mostly rely on security-camera footage and videos from devices recovered in Gaza as the war has progressed.

It was the committee that determined the deaths of 34 hostages taken on Oct. 7, most of whom died in the attack, according to Ofer Merin, director-general at Shaare Zedek Medical Center in Jerusalem and a member of the committee.

“It’s been six months since these people were taken into Gaza. These families have no second in the day or a second in the night that their minds are calm. They are in constant agony,” said Merin.

Determinations of death must meet a high bar and are never based on one piece of intelligence alone. Israel has separately recovered the bodies of 12 other hostages, bringing the total number of hostages who are confirmed dead to 46.


Families of some American hostages have increased their public pressure on the Biden administration to do more to secure their loved ones’ release. On Tuesday, Vice President Kamala Harris met with some of these families.

“There’s no question the war must be won and Hamas must be eradicated. But the hostages are running out of time,” Orna Neutra, the mother of Israeli-American hostage Omer Neutra, told CNN’s “State of the Union.” “It’s not clear whether the Israeli administration has the priority right,” she said.

Rachel Goldberg-Polin, whose 23-year-old son, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, is being held by Hamas, described the White House meeting as a productive discussion but also said the families “want results.”

Harris “underscored that President Biden and she have no higher priority than reuniting the hostages with their loved ones. She also reaffirmed the U.S. commitment to bring home the remains of those who have been tragically confirmed to be deceased,” the White House said after the meeting.
 

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Men linked to stabbing of Iranian journalist in London ‘have fled UK’​

Met says suspects travelled directly to Heathrow and left within hours of attack on Pouria Zeraati​

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The Iranian TV host Pouria Zeraati in hospital

The Iranian TV host Pouria Zeraati told supporters he was ‘feeling better’ and had been discharged from hospital. Photograph: @PouriaZeraati
Three men linked to the stabbing of an Iranian journalist outside his south London home are believed to have fled the country within hours of the attack, Scotland Yard has said.

Pouria Zeraati, 36, sustained an injury to his leg after being attacked in Wimbledon on Friday afternoon. He has since been discharged from hospital.



The victim was attacked in a residential street by two men who fled the scene in a vehicle driven by a third male, the Metropolitan police said.

The vehicle was abandoned shortly after the attack and is being examined by forensic science experts. The Met said that, after abandoning the vehicle, the men travelled to Heathrow and left the UK.

Because the victim is a presenter at Iran International, a Farsi-language media organisation based in the UK, and because previous threats had been directed towards its journalists, the incident is being investigated by specialist officers from the Met’s counter-terrorism command.

A statement from Scotland Yard said: “Detectives have established the victim was approached by two men in a residential street and attacked. The suspects fled the scene in a vehicle driven by a third male.

“The vehicle – a blue Mazda 3 – was abandoned in the New Malden area shortly after the attack. Detectives have located the vehicle and it is being examined by forensic experts. Searches in the area continue.

“The investigation team has established that, after abandoning the vehicle, the suspects travelled directly to Heathrow airport and left the UK within a few hours of the attack.”

Zeraati thanked supporters for their “sympathy, kindness and love” in a post on X on Monday.

“I am feeling better, recovering and I have been discharged from the hospital,” he said. “My wife and I are residing at a safe place under the supervision of the Met Police.”

Iran International is the most popular news channel in Iran, according to independent surveys, in spite of being banned in the country by the Revolutionary Guards, which labelled the organisation as a “terrorist” channel.

Iran International returned to its London broadcasting studios last September after taking up a temporary sanctuary in Washington DC in February 2023 over a “significant escalation in state-backed threats from Iran”.
 
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