do you think I just made up my solution? This is the 2 state solution that has been in the works for 30 years with commitments from both sides and the international community
but will the Palestinians accept that?
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but will the Palestinians accept that?
breh you have to negotiate the settlement. why would they say "OK let me give up everything" before they get to the table? Hamas has agreed to the 2 state solution multiple times
You can't just put something in front of Arafat, have him back off and then be like "okay fukk it." That's not how negotiations work. It'll take time. What derailed the peace process 10 years ago was the 2nd intifada but just cause Israelis are like "nevermind" doesn't mean Palestinians are going to wait forever
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Yes.
not to mention, huge segments of Israeli politicians including the currently in power party denies palestinian rights to the west bank. So what? When the time comes they'll agree to what the government finally agrees to.
That's not the point. While those negotiations were happening the 2nd Intifada popped off sure, but Ariel Sharon walking around should not have brought about that reaction in them in the first place. Come on. Everything isn't worth rioting over. If that was Sharon's intention, don't give him what he wants.
I'm sorry, but again you're coming off as naive. You can promise whatever you want, but that does not mean that you are sincere in your statements. Hamas says one thing to Israel and other things to its populace. How is Israel to believe that Hamas wants a legitimate two-state solution when it communicates otherwise so often? Has it completely disavowed its charter? In 2009, it communicated that it would go for a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders given the right to return.
So let me get this straight Israel, should allow for a Palestinian State, and allow the unlimited right to return knowing that the Palestinian birth rate is significantly higher than the Israeli birth rate and that eventually they could just become a majority and takeover the Knesset? Stop it. Much of what Hamas says comes across as lip service to the international community. Your blind belief in an organization whose very charter says that Israel should not exist as being willing to uphold a long-term agreement is astounding.
The audacity of telling me that I don't know how negotiations work, when you don't go into negotiations without certain baselines. Borders can be argued later.
I thought I was asking more of a rhetorical question
My point is that this sort of reading the tea leaves about what's in Hamas' mind is pointless. The Likud charter doesn't ask for a 2 state solution either. That doesnt' mean Israel won't accept one
Broke Wave
The GOAT
Can I get the Zionist perspective of what's wrong with the Palestinian people using legal means rather than violent ones to oppose the occupation?
@BarNone why should Israel decide anything about Palestine or the Palestinian state? Do they own the Palestinian state? Can you explain to me why Israel should have any say on Palestinian statehood?
@BarNone why should Israel decide anything about Palestine or the Palestinian state? Do they own the Palestinian state? Can you explain to me why Israel should have any say on Palestinian statehood?
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WhiteDawg3000
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He doesnt have a choice he just follows orders
As a Palestinian, deep down this dont mean shyt cuz its not gonna make Israel suddenly peaceful or us suddenly militarily able, but its a start
real talk breh... wtf is wrong with palestinians?
every jew dead is the only thing they will accept
That's a horrible argument. Basically you just reached a point where you said, "But Likud's charter doesn't ask for a 2-state solution either." Likud's charter does not explicitly state that it's plan is to establish a Palestinian State exactly where Israel is right now, it does not EXPLICITLY call for the dissolution of the Israeli state. Stop trying compare apples and oranges. You know and I know that you're smarter than this. You're trying to conflate the two because you're sympathetic to the Palestinian people. One is a semi-reformed terrorist organization that is looking for legitimacy, the other is a right-wing government that probably doesn't give a fukk about the Palestinian people at all, but can be pressured to back down because it has not staked out such obstinate positions. Better yet, they have a government that has shown that it will negotiate peace in the past. Hamas is not Fatah.
You're really trying very hard to disavow logic to support your sympathy for Palestinian plight. So you're telling Israel to call Hamas' bluff and meet them at the table (mind you I'm completely against them settlements), and have what to show to their people? "Yeah, they haven't acknowledged our right to exist, but we're hoping that they'll be on their best behavior." :mitt: Did you forget that Israelis were for negotiations last time and when shyt popped off is when the right wingers won? No Israeli government is going to go into those type of negotiations without being able to promise its people at least that. And that much, is justified.
I don't understand your question at all, it doesn't really make sense to me. That's not even throwing shade, I just literally don't understand your question. Any Palestinian state would be directly bordering and within Israel, why wouldn't they have a say it what those borders would be? Are those not its people that would be giving up homes and potentially in the line of fire? Imagine this was Canada or the US and you can answer that for yourself.
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Broke Wave
The GOAT
Because these borders were already defined by the U.N., they already exist. This issue was already resolved apparently in 1947. In 1967 there was an occupation by Israel on the Palestinian Territories. Making the comparison between the United States and Canada is something I don't understand, if we're talking about conclusion. Why are we talking about a line of fire or giving up homes if there is a legally accepted map? Why wouldn't the Palestinian people be able to oppose the Israeli government in a neutral COURT of LAW? Why should the Palestinian people be beholden to the whim of a foreign occupier?
ThatKidBlackHippy
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