The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[Json]

I'm arguing to create a Palestinian state that has independence and a future. A modern state that is sustainable and self-sufficient. No more stateless people and a people that are no longer pawns of Arabs and Iranians.

But that’s the dirty open secret underlining all of this though right. Israel doesn’t want that either. A functioning Palestinian state hurts them economically cause what neighboring Arab country is going to want to work with Israel instead of Palestinians?

We already know they steal taxes from Palestinian imports and exports. Why they allowed to handle Palestinian financials is a symptom of the larger issue.

Skirmishes happen. India and China are fighting each other. Pakistan and India are at each others though. Ukraine still worked with Russia on the pipeline even after they stole Crimea.

Israel is the only country that seems to think it has the right to lob missiles into another country on any instance.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

But that’s the dirty open secret underlining all of this though right. Israel doesn’t want that either. A functioning Palestinian state hurts them economically cause what neighboring Arab country is going to want to work with Israel instead of Palestinians?

We already know they steal taxes from Palestinian imports and exports. Why they allowed to handle Palestinian financials is a symptom of the larger issue.

Skirmishes happen. India and China are fighting each other. Pakistan and India are at each others though. Ukraine still worked with Russia on the pipeline even after they stole Crimea.

Israel is the only country that seems to think it has the right to lob missiles into another country on any instance.

Hamas gave Israel the reason you’re bytching about.

Give up the hostages.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

By support do you mean allowing the flow of money from Qatar, not attacking them and using them to weaken the PA.

Ultimately they have just been a tool to keep the two state solution dead.

But let’s not rewrite history, you all were talking like Hamas had set some grand Trap for Bibi back in October.

The critique is all over the place. “Bibi boosted Hamas…also…Hamas baited Bibi into attacking Gaza!”…ok, whats Step 3?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Some of you guys do not know how to deal with people who argue in bad faith and it shows. If you remember with the rise of Trump, cryptofascism became prevalent all over the internet doing the same shyt these guys do. They have an agenda that they are unwilling to admit because they know it's unpopular, so they will not engage in good faith, and even when you have them dead to rights and completely dismantle their lies, they will not admit it, and they will be back the very next day repeating the same lies that you just debunked. They do not care about the truth. Their goal is to embolden others on their side and dissuade those against. They are not speaking to you, they are targeting anyone who may be witnessing the conversation.

Tbh these guys literally are cryptofascists. They are stumping for a fascist government.

There's a great youtube series I've mentioned multiple times in HL called The Alt Right Playbook that breaks down the types of bad faith rhettoric these people use. The guy sounds goofy as hell, but he delivers the information in a straight forward and easy to understand way.


Basically, you do not need to engage with them, and if you do feel the need to engage with them, you should be doing so in a way that targets the audience to the conversation and not get caught in pointless back and forths with them. Feel free to debunk their lies, just don't bother trying to respond to every piece of bait they throw out there.

Hamas would throw you off a building (thats remaining standing) or hang you from a crane

Stop it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

88m plan is the “New State Solution” concocted by former Shin Bet and IDF officials


Palestinian civil society has had a lot of peaceful marches, non violent activities, in both territories.

Hamas got access to weapons and money under the watchful eyes of Israel and Egypt. Netanyahu encouraged money to flow to them.

Yeah, then what happened?

If you let me watch you give me a reason to smash you, thats your fault

Plus, you need to open your mind up to resettlement. It’s not the worst thing ever.

You keep calling it ethnic cleansing as if thats going to change my opinion. Thats just a phrase. In reality, it’s the most humane option residents of Gaza have been given in 50 years.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Losing a war you started = Genocide

Being humanely resettled to territory thats uninhabited and ripe for development = Ethnic cleaning

These language games aren’t saving anyone, you guys. Give up the hostages, bend the knee and keep it moving.

Not even the KURDS are getting offered sovereign territory.



@voiture @Creflo ½ Dollar @invalid @Pressure @wire28 @ADevilYouKhow @88m3 @MeachTheMonster @Wargames @Tair @Da_Eggman

 

[mastermind]

I've read that Judaism and the Kingdoms of Israel predate Islam

Curious

Why are you an islamaphobe?

 

[mastermind]

Hamas have violated every international law out there.
If they cared about international law all hostages would be returned and they would unconditionally surrender.
Israel will not stopped until their objectives are done...deal with it.
ICJ did not indict Israel on anything.

Israel’s 60-year apartheid against Palestine violates international law.

 

[mastermind]

Nice job advocating ethnic cleansing

When you all gonna ban him for being an Islamaphobe?

 

[mastermind]

I didn’t realize moving 2 million wholesale across the world was your preferred policy as well.

It seems like you, Nap and 88m have common cause with Bezalel Smotrich, ltamar Ben Gvir and the settler movement. Their conference last Sunday is your solutions.

Destroy, annex and settle.

@Pressure preferred policy is whatever Biden says. He wasn’t a Zionist until Biden told him to be one. It’s weird.

 

[Conan]

Why are you an islamaphobe?

He's probably one of those Bible fundamentalists

 

[voiture]

Israel’s 60-year apartheid against Palestine violates international law.

None of the parties have clean hands but to pretend Palestine was ever state is false.
Even Egypt and Jordan did not give them a state when they had control. It has never been a country/state.

 

[Conan]

None of the parties have clean hands but to pretend Palestine was ever state is false.
Even Egypt and Jordan did not give them a state when they had control. It has never been a country/state

What the fukk this has to do with apartheid is anyone's guess

 

[Pressure]

What the fukk this has to do with apartheid is anyone's guess

The obvious answer is the world at large just doesn’t care much about Palestinians.

 

[mastermind]

What the fukk this has to do with apartheid is anyone's guess

It doesn't.