The Official Israel-Gaza Thread
You still haven’t answered my Q. What are the Palestinians to do?
The Arab states have surrendered a long time ago. They have always offered the 2002 peace plan.
The Palestinians are divided politically. And philosophically. Both approaches aren’t working.
The powerful and large non-violent movement among Palestinians was suppressed through mass arrests and the elimination of key leaders. The 2018 March of Return walks every Friday near the border fence had Israeli snipers taking out legs. Every week and then they did a massacre killing dozens in one day.
Over the last 30 years, the Israelis were more aggressive in crushing the non-violent movement compared to the PLO, partly because they perceived it as easier to quash.
The effectiveness of the Gandhi “being peaceful” example relies on both sides adhering to rules, which Israel, exempt from such rules and constraints, doesn’t have to follow.
Individuals arrested in the 80s, 90s, early 2000s for non-violent actions still remain imprisoned, contrasting with some PLO members released in brief periods of exchanges.
Israel exerts greater control over Palestinian leadership than previous occupiers. Up until October 7, they tolerated Hamas and Netanyahu encouraged their propped up status and money transferred to them.
The PA has surrendered and everyone knows they’re useless.
You want a Palestinian leader who can unite all factions? Influential leaders like Marwan Barghouti, with broad popular support, remain incarcerated. Barghouti’s ability to engage in meaningful talks with Israelis, along with his nuanced understanding of Hebrew and the Israeli public, makes him a more potent force for peaceful negotiation than Hamas. Notably, Barghouti was a favored choice in both the West Bank and Gaza, enjoying diverse support from various groups, including Christians, secularists, and a significant portion of PLO/Fatah, as well as many Hamas supporters.
Json
Superstar
Nice try.
But we did call them out. And pissed off our supposed “friends”
And if we’re going to blame the Palestinians then it’s Israel’s fault for letting a power hungry Bibi back in since it’s his administration who ignored the warnings instead worrying about his corrupt power grabs right? All fair in love and war?
Json
Superstar
Nobody. That’s the point. That’s like asking how Jim Crow was allowed to exist after the Civil War.
We know what we should have done to protect the rights of the freed men and we didn’t.
October 7 didn’t happen insolation.
We all know what we should have done about those stolen lands. So let’s not compound the act and let those people have died in vain.
You’re trying
Json
Superstar
Answer the question.
Is Oct 7 the Israelis fault for putting megalomaniac, incompetence Bibi in power like it is the Palestinians for putting those Hamas murders in power?
LOST IN THE SAUCE
The Sauce Apostle
Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International calling on the US and our allies to stop providing Israel with arms. They both warn that the US may be in violation of international humanitarian law for knowingly aiding in Israel's war crimes.
www.hrw.org
www.amnesty.org
Not that it's the first time, last time, or even going to make a difference. Just more proof of being on the wrong side of history to throw in the pile I guess.
EDIT: Jesus fukking christ.
Original tweet was deleted.
Imagine defending this.
Israel: Strikes on Journalists in Lebanon Apparently Deliberate
Two Israeli strikes in Lebanon on October 13, 2023 that killed Reuters journalist Issam Abdallah and injured six other journalists was an apparently deliberate attack on civilians and thus a war crime.
Israel/OPT: US-made munitions killed 43 civilians in two documented Israeli air strikes in Gaza – new investigation
US-made Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) were used by the Israeli military in two deadly, unlawful air strikes on homes full of civilians in the occupied Gaza Strip, Amnesty International has found based on a new investigation into those strikes. The organization found that these air strikes...
www.amnesty.org
Not that it's the first time, last time, or even going to make a difference. Just more proof of being on the wrong side of history to throw in the pile I guess.
EDIT: Jesus fukking christ.
Original tweet was deleted.
Imagine defending this.
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Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International calling on the US and our allies to stop providing Israel with arms. They both warn that the US may be in violation of international humanitarian law for knowingly aiding in Israel's war crimes.
Israel: Strikes on Journalists in Lebanon Apparently Deliberate
Two Israeli strikes in Lebanon on October 13, 2023 that killed Reuters journalist Issam Abdallah and injured six other journalists was an apparently deliberate attack on civilians and thus a war crime.
Israel/OPT: US-made munitions killed 43 civilians in two documented Israeli air strikes in Gaza – new investigation
US-made Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) were used by the Israeli military in two deadly, unlawful air strikes on homes full of civilians in the occupied Gaza Strip, Amnesty International has found based on a new investigation into those strikes. The organization found that these air strikes...
Not that it's the first time, last time, or even going to make a difference. Just more proof of being on the wrong side of history to throw in the pile I guess.
EDIT: Jesus fukking christ.
Original tweet was deleted.
Imagine defending this.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Remember when he was sold as the idea liberal?
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
TBF, he is a more left-than-center liberal than most of the Dems on worker issues.
He is just weirdly a zionist.