The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[mitter]

Hamas is in the wrong here. They should've cleared Gaza and let everyone leave before the war that they started came to them.

There's a reason that Gaza has almost as many civilian deaths in 1 month, as Ukraine has in two years.

Human shields is right.

Hamas are scumbags for sure, but how could they have arranged for Gaza to be "cleared"?

 

[Pressure]

All the US has to do is tell them to stop and they'll stop. The US government has far more power than Israel. The us government agrees with the genocide of Palestinians because it helps an "ally"

And this is the problem we have here and what has eroded this entire discussion.

You and others here seem hell bent on this false premise that Israel has no autonomy and will merely do whatever the US says.

 

[Payday23]

Take what a white man from Tennessee has to say seriously about equality, human rights, progressive thinking and forward moving society — let alone discussions of being appalled about racism

I'll be on the right side of history. While the people that come after me wonder why people like you supported mass extermination while also the government that did the same to you for reparations. Your hypocrisy is just as grotesque as your cheering on of unnecessary slaughter of women and kids. You'd be screaming if this was Trump. You're the Dem version of Ted Cuz, MTG, etc. You don't truly care about democracy you only care about your side "winning"

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Hamas is in the wrong here. They should've cleared Gaza and let everyone leave before the war that they started came to them.

There's a reason that Gaza has almost as many civilian deaths in 1 month, as Ukraine has in two years.

Human shields is right.

Their wrong to you because you don't know what their plan was to begin with. You don't think Hamas didn't know Israel was going to react this way?

1. They embarassed them by killing so many people and taking over 200 hostages.
2. They exposed how weak their security was.
3. They exposed how barbaric Israel is.
4. Countries and millions of of people all over the world are turning on them.

 

[No1]

And this is the problem we have here and what has eroded this entire discussion.

You and others here seem hell bent on this false premise that Israel has no autonomy and will merely do whatever the US says.

We have never seen a legitimate US warning for Israel to stop doing something because we keep sending them billions ever year. That's why Netanyahu stuck his finger up at Obama and Kerry. If we withhold our funding then what we say carries much more teeth and Israel loses its last wedge between itself and international condemnation. Granted, it would be hypocritical given that we do business with oppressive Islamic regimes, but those regimes do not purport to be democratic and liberal societies.

 

[NZA]

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

For people wondering why no other Middle East country hasn't jumped in is simple. It's the same reason why no western country has jumped in to help Ukraine.

If Iran attacks Israel, the US would jump in and thus NATO jumps in.

And Israel has American made nuclear weapons. This country has created over the past 50 years a cac ally who hates arabs right in the middle of the arab world. And they've attached themselves to them economically and militarily.

The US is the only country that can really end this for good, but they wont. And this country can afford to take the hit because we are all connected economically on a global scale.

Economic Globalization gives the US leverage over everyone. Israel is a pawn trying to act like a Queen.

 

[No1]

In a month or so the world's attention will be elsewhere and we won't care, tbh.

As is, support for Israel hasn't budged. The furthest allies have gone is to ask them to ne nice

What do you mean we won't care in a month? In a month will be the holiday season. You think images of Palestinians being bombed -- many of them Christians -- around Christmas time won't garner international attention? You really think if this continues to go on that other state actors won't get involved?

This overwhelming arrogance that "centrists" have that the world only cares about what they care about and that they alone are the rational actors is something that requires intense study. It's an election year my guy, an active war is going to be the subject of every presidential debate.

 

[Pressure]

I'll be on the right side of history. While the people that come after me wonder why people like you supported mass extermination while also the government that did the same to you for reparations. Your hypocrisy is just as grotesque as your cheering on of unnecessary slaughter of women and kids. You'd be screaming if this was Trump. You're the Dem version of Ted Cuz, MTG, etc. You don't truly care about democracy you only care about your side "winning"

We have never seen a legitimate US warning for Israel to stop doing something because we keep sending them billions ever year. That's why Netanyahu stuck his finger up at Obama and Kerry. If we withhold our funding then what we say carries much more teeth and Israel loses its last wedge between itself and international condemnation. Granted, it would be hypocritical given that we do business with oppressive Islamic regimes, but those regimes do not purport to be democratic and liberal societies.

For my curiousity, is the belief here that if the US merely threatens to publicly withold funding that Israel would just fall in line?

I have a hard time believing that considering almost all of our support for Israel is because they are the key regional partner for our ambitions in the region and Israel is aware of that.

We’re certainly hypocritical if we buy into the rhetoric, but I think it’s clear our only ambition is maintaining American hegemony beyond anything else.

 

[the cac mamba]

You're the Dem version of Ted Cuz, MTG, etc.

 

[Pressure]

He said that shyt his state isn’t one of the more regressive parts of American democracy

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

And this is the problem we have here and what has eroded this entire discussion.

You and others here seem hell bent on this false premise that Israel has no autonomy and will merely do whatever the US says.

“The Americans insisted and we are not in a place where we can refuse them. We rely on them for planes and military equipment. What are we supposed to do? Tell them no?”

The US does have leverage over Israel. You can't seriously be denying that.

 

[merklman]

Once again Hamas hiding behind media and civilians. They literally has zero means of traveling on the roads without blending into civilians.

Been deployed multiple times all over the world and most terrorists hide in civilian infrastructure because they know most western countries would hesitate to strike.

Hamas literally has tunnels built under hospitals and people don’t even believe it..under normal circumstances a hospital would be the last building ever to be bombed so from a sick terrorist POV it makes sense.

High civilian casualties are to be had when fighter an enemy embedded into the population. Some of you dreamers just gne have to come to terms with that.

Captain c00n is back with his IDF propaganda to justify bombing hospitals. Crawl back into your hole you fukking maggot

 

[NZA]

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-running-out-time-un-experts-warn-demanding-ceasefire-prevent-genocide-0

“We remain convinced that the Palestinian people are at grave risk of genocide,” the experts said. “The time for action is now. Israel’s allies also bear responsibility and must act now to prevent its disastrous course of action,” they said.

 

[Pressure]

“The Americans insisted and we are not in a place where we can refuse them. We rely on them for planes and military equipment. What are we supposed to do? Tell them no?”

The US does have leverage over Israel. You can't seriously be denying that.

I am 100% denying there was anything the US could have done to stop them from launching a counter offensive to the Hamas terrorist attack.