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This blood is on your hands. But i guess it doesn't matter unless it happening to Jewish children?? O no wait that's right Hamas builds weapons factories inside of preschools and day cares.


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Gut wrenching picture, the pain in that fathers face says it all.
 
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them fukking jews can bully all they want, but once Iran gets a nuclear weapon and all muslims countries come together as one, they'll just be a tiny dot on the map.

times are changing. Israel just delaying the inevitable.
 

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Gut wrenching picture, the pain in that fathers face says it all.

Man i saw one last night that almost brought me to to tears, Was two baby girls one was like 3 the other one was like 6 months old. Both dead in the hospital mother crying next to them.
 

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Film-maker and activist Harry Fear has been in Gaza since the first bombs fell. He says Israel has the capability to avoid collateral damage - but has instead chosen to attack indiscriminately.

 
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Even while using the trolling medium your response is limited, it is pretty pathetic :laugh:

Uh, yes I will "resort to semantics" when you completely re-define a word to push an agenda.

Really? Is that the game you want to play?

gen·o·cide/ˈjenəˌsīd/
Noun:
The deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
mass murder

noun
the savage and excessive killing of many people [syn: slaughter]

Stones & glass houses.


Most of that was a Red Herring and had nothing to do with Gaza. The fact that the UN claims Gaza is occupied, does not actually mean Gaza is occupied. It just shows how completely incompetent the UN is.

So according to you, when the UN said it's occupied (backed by over 100 countries), it is wrong, but when you say it isn't ... it is automatically correct? Good one.

Add a couple of other organizations next to the UN that you automatically dismiss.

The UN, Human Rights Watch and other international bodies and NGOs consider Israel to be the occupying power of the Gaza Strip as Israel controls Gaza's airspace and territorial waters, and does not allow the movement of goods in or out of Gaza by air or sea (only by land).

Document - Israel/Occupied Palestinian Territories: The conflict in Gaza: A briefing on applicable law, investigations and accountability | Amnesty International

hrw.org/english/docs/2006/07/06/isrlpa13698.htm

Is Gaza 'occupied' territory? - CNN.com



The war in 2009 was a great example of the difference between Israelis and the Palestinians. Despite how crowded Gaza is, most of the deaths were terrorists. That is an extraordinarily difficult task, yet Israel managed to do it. The Palestinian leadership on the other hand, intentionally targets civilians. So yes, when one side's civilian deaths are casualties, and the other side's civilians deaths were the targets, the difference is accentuated.

False.

Civilian casualty figures for the Israeli–Palestinian conflict from B'tselem and Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs in 2009 (numbers in parentheses represent casualties under age 18):

Palestinians: 1034 (314)
Israelis: 9 (1)

Terrorism Against Israel: Listing of Fatalities
Fatal Terrorist Attacks in Israel Since the DOP (Sept 1993)
Fatalities in the first Intifada | B'Tselem
Israeli



^ Empty rhetoric. You posted a bunch of opinions from the UN, without examining the evidence they brought forth. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You guys have zero critical thinking skills.

Interesting. I lack critical thinking skills yet you are the one dismissing any and everything that doesn't fit with your flawed and fallacious notions, and several posters called you on it. Throwing in yet another jab at me too, :laugh: which leads me to this ...


^ More emotional nonsense with zero factual basis. I recommend removing the tampon from your vagina, its clearly making you irritable.

Look at you, emotional.

I remained civil with you despite your history as an agitating, beleaguer troll of a poster, yet you repeatedly threw insults my way when you have nothing substantial to contribute. Your feeble attempts of trying to get a rise out of me failed, just like your efforts to propagate apocryphal and mendacious information to try and spin the situation in which Israel could be absolved of their responsibilities of mass slaughter.

Imbecility has cost you your wits, trolling has defeated you.

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"bbbbut it's self defense! we only kill terrorists! thus allowing us to maintain the moral high ground, we would never dehumanize and make light of Palestinian people and their deaths!" - Israel and their supporters

:comeon:
 
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Even while using the trolling medium your response is limited, it is pretty pathetic :laugh:



Really? Is that the game you want to play?

gen·o·cide/ˈjenəˌsīd/
Noun:
The deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
mass murder

noun
the savage and excessive killing of many people [syn: slaughter]

Stones & glass houses.

It seems like you're trying to make a point, but failing miserably. Occupation refers to something specific, you're re-defining it to mean something completely different. Then you randomly post a dictionary definition of genocide. Okay....

So according to you, when the UN said it's occupied (backed by over 100 countries), it is wrong, but when you say it isn't ... it is automatically correct? Good one.

Add a couple of other organizations next to UN then you automatically dismiss.

I am saying that just because people make a claim it does not mean it is true. You should be evaluating the reason and the evidence they are making a claim. This is indeed called critical thinking skills.

Oh, and clearly you don't know the concept of burden of proof. If you're going to make an accusation (Israel is occupying Gaza), you have to provide evidence -- not me. Citing the UN's opinion is not evidence. Its just some leader of an organization (which is extremely biased against Israel -- but even if it wasn't), instead of actual facts.

The fact that you implied that I should provide evidence to the contrary indicates that you do not understand the concept of burden of proof within rational discussion (also an issue with critical thinking).


It is incredible that you think you proved something with what you quoted. I said civilians were not targeted. Nothing you replied contradicts with that fact. I said the majority of deaths were terrorists. You posted statistics showing that the minority of deaths were under 18. That supports my point more than it supports yours.


Interesting. I lack critical thinking skills yet you are the one dismissing any and everything that doesn't fit

You completely made this up. I am not dismissing any and everything that I don't believe -- I dismiss arguments that have zero evidence. I'm an educated man, not some baffoon who believes something just cause "the UN said so."

An example of something I would never do, is make an argument based on a poster written by a propaganda group like this:


^ The fact that you're not embarrassed to post that is pretty mindblowing stuff. Not to mention this:

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"bbbbut it's self defense! we only kill terrorists! thus allowing us to maintain the moral high ground, we would never dehumanize and make light of Palestinian people and their deaths!" - Israel and their supporters

:comeon:

^ Did you check the veracity of that photo? Of course you didn't. If you were a critical thinker, you wouldn't be pro-Palestine in the first place.

with your flawed and fallacious notions, and several posters called you on it.

Actually, not a single fallacy was made by me - and several fallacies were made by you.

You attempted Argumentum Ad Populum, by discussing "how many countries" call Gaza occupied. This is a known logical fallacy.

You attempted the Red Herring fallacy, by talking about the first intifadah and other events unrelated to my point.

You posted number of casualties as a counter-argument to differences in targeting of civilians. This is fallacious in the sense that just because civilians die, it doesn't mean they were targeted. It is unclear if you knew that or not while posting it.

Yet you cannot list a single fallacy I have made.

I remained civil with you

Spitting on the graves of 6 million murdered Jews by comparing it to the plight of Palestinians is not "being civil." Its being a bleeding vagina who doesn't know how to have a rational conversation.

despite your history as an agitating, beleaguer troll of a poster, yet you repeatedly threw insults my way when you have nothing substantial to contribute.

Some arguments are so stupid they don't need a counter-argument. Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany -- you might as well start talking about lizards, space aliens, warewolves, and the illuminati joining forces to rule the Earth. It is on the same level of mental retardation.
 

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The Symmetry and Asymmetry of Violence in Gaza

Paul Pillar | November 15, 2012

There they go again—another tragic upsurge in the violent tit-for-tat between Israel and Hamas. As with most tit-for-tat contests, at each stage each side can point to what the other side just did as an action that warrants retaliation. Often the story that reaches American ears is instead more lopsided: a story of Hamas firing rockets and Israel responding with armed force. But the actual process is very much two-way, with Hamas responding to Israeli violence at least as much as the other way around.

Hamas had endeavored to maintain a cease-fire—despite difficulty in controlling the actions of smaller, more militant groups that have a presence in the Gaza Strip—most of the time since Operation Cast Lead, the brutal Israeli invasion of the Strip almost four years ago. That war resulted in 1400 Palestinian deaths, probably over half of whom were noncombatants. (Israeli deaths in the war totaled three noncombatants and ten soldiers, four of whom were killed by friendly fire.) But Hamas, as the only government the residents of the Gaza Strip have to turn to for security, came under increasing pressure from those residents to respond forcefully to Israeli actions that continued to claim Palestinian victims.

As Phyllis Bennis points out, who appears to be retaliating against whom depends on when you start the clock. Most American media accounts have begun coverage of the latest rounds of violence with a Palestinian attack on Israeli soldiers on November 8. Less noticed in the coverage was that the soldiers were part of an element of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), including four tanks and an armored bulldozer, that was operating inside the Gaza Strip at the time. Exactly what those operations included is still unclear, but the IDF did later say it was “investigating” the death of an 11-year-old boy that day. Within the next three days the Palestinian Center for Human Rights documented the deaths of five more Palestinian civilians, including three children, with 52 other civilians wounded. Most of the casualties were incurred in a single Israeli attack on a playground soccer field. The ensuing two-way violence continued until Egypt was able to mediate a short-lived cease-fire, broken when Israel launched this Wednesday a substantial aerial attack, including the assassination of a senior Hamas leader, Ahmed Jabari.

Israel, of course, has far greater and more sophisticated means (much of it U.S.-supplied) of inflicting death and destruction than does Hamas. The different means tend to carry different labels: ground-launched rockets are called terrorism, while the operations of attack aircraft are called a nation defending its borders. That difference in capability also helps to explain why Israel is the side that perpetrates the most marked escalations in this violent dialogue. If Hamas had anything approaching Israel's capabilities, it probably would feel obliged to respond right now to Israel's actions with much more deadly operations than anything it has been able to muster so far. But then again, it it did have such capabilities, there would be a major element of deterrence that would almost certainly dissuade Israeli leaders from perpetrating anything like the violence they have in fact inflicted.

The United States has no national interest in taking sides in any of this lethal tit-for-tat. And yet, to its own disadvantage and discredit, it does take sides. The statement the State Department issued on Wednesday “strongly condemns” rocket fire coming out of Gaza, says there is “no justification” for the “cowardly acts” of “Hamas and other terrorist organizations,” talks about Hamas attacking Israel “on a near daily basis” and supports “Israel's right to defend itself.” The closest the statement comes to even a pretense of recognition of the—substantially greater—pain and destruction being inflicted in the other direction is to “regret the death and injury of innocent Israeli and Palestinian civilians” and to “encourage Israel to continue [sic] to take every effort to avoid civilian casualties.”

This posture is especially discouraging as one of the administration's first official statements on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict since President Obama's re-election. Scott Wilson writes in the Washington Post about how at the president's press conference this week “the customarily cautious Obama spoke like a politician with nothing to lose after winning the last race of his life” and exuded “confidence and ease.” If the lifting of the burden of re-election is going to enable the administration to formulate a more effective and more just policy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the State Department's statement showed no sign of it happening yet.

A better statement would have begun something like this:

The United States deplores the latest upsurge in violence between Israelis and Palestinians. This tragic conflict is causing unnecessary suffering among innocent people on both sides. The United States calls on both sides to pull back from what has become a seemingly endless cycle of destruction. None of the acts of violence committed by either side does anything to advance a goal that the United States shares and that should be shared by all the people of the region: a resolution of differences that will enable Israelis and Palestinians alike to live side-by-side in peace and security

That's just the start. The United States should address the long-term consequences of what is taking place, and specifically the consequences of the futile Israeli reliance on escalation and destruction. It might borrow the words of Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who was trying earlier this week to mediate a new cease-fire between Israel and Hamas; his principal Hamas contact was Jabari, the military leader whom Israel killed by obliterating his car with an airstrike. “I tell myself,” says Baskin, "that with every person who is killed we are engendering the next generation of haters and terrorists.”

The Symmetry and Asymmetry of Violence in Gaza | The National Interest Blog

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I'm asking a simple question. Don't go into spin mode:

Did the Palestinians violate the "ceasefire" before Israel took out Jabari? Was there rocket attacks/violence before the hit?

Because I originally thought this current wave of violence stemmed from Israel "preemptively" striking but now it seems there was an uptick of violence from the Gaza Strip prior to it. Is this true?
 

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I'm asking a simple question. Don't go into spin mode:

Did the Palestinians violate the "ceasefire" before Israel took out Jabari? Was there rocket attacks/violence before the hit?

Because I originally thought this current wave of violence stemmed from Israel "preemptively" striking but now it seems there was an uptick of violence from the Gaza Strip prior to it. Is this true?

see the article just posted above you. there was an ongoing increases in the exchanges from both sides. What's factual is that the ongoing truce negotiations were derailed by the assassination
 

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I'm asking a simple question. Don't go into spin mode:

Did the Palestinians violate the "ceasefire" before Israel took out Jabari? Was there rocket attacks/violence before the hit?

Because I originally thought this current wave of violence stemmed from Israel "preemptively" striking but now it seems there was an uptick of violence from the Gaza Strip prior to it. Is this true?

How Israel shattered Gaza truce leading to escalating death and tragedy: a timeline | The Electronic Intifada
 
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