The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

This so called pan africanist are funny

He out here worrying about Palestinian when AS is slaughtering Christian people on the rural coastal area almost on the daily

Matter facts it’s all types of atrocities going on in Africa right now but he out here riding Palestine and Arabs dikk. Especially knowing how Arabs treat the Kenyans workers when they go work there.

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

I would prefer the U.S empire stay out of my native country period. Matter of fact, stay out of the continent.

Yea but what do your country prefer.

 

[nyknick]

The author of the article Is also a Jew. They don’t even try to hide their inability to be impartial or objective

Bigotry abounds!

It always comes out

We're supposed to accept the narrative this isn't religious, but all the Muslim brehs are pushing the same narrative.

 

[Regular_P]

Exclusive | Harvard ‘doxxing truck’ parks outside homes of students who blamed Israel for Hamas attacks

The truck’s giant LED screens displayed the words “Harvard’s Leading Antisemites” in gothic script over a headshot of the Ivy Leaguer who reportedly lived in the home.

nypost.com

That guy needs his ass beat.

 

[that guy]

You not helping yourself at all.

A lot of Jewish people have been organizing and in support of Palestine.

Your statement isn’t different than saying all Palestinians are Hamas.


This is a discussion about Zionism, settler colonialism and genocide. Many Jews see this destruction of Gaza, and Israel taking Palestinian lands as unholy, unjust and not far from Naziism.

I think you’re just having a hard time with reading comprehension. Some Jews are Zionist and some are not. Some Jews are impartial and objective when analyzing the Israelis Gaza conflict and some are not. I called out the latter.

Another poster already debunked the bad faith arguments in the article. Your response is very incoherent but it sounds like the “all white peoples ain’t bad!” trope that c00ns roll out when you call out white racism

 

[that guy]

Uh this isn't about Goldberg being Jewish but okay...

You're aware that not every zionist is Jewish and not every Jewish person is a zionist, right?

There have been a number of liberal Jewish groups protesting what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians. It doesn't seem like they're unable to be impartial or objective.

I know you're that guy, but maybe don't be that guy.

I think you’re just a little slow or maybe a cac but please explain how in your brain, accusing one Jewish person of being unable to be objective based on bad faith arguments they made in a article equates to accusing all Jews of being Zionist?

Do you even know what being objective means?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That Atlantic article is pure propaganda bullshyt. Purposefully misleading, and a hit piece on critics of Israel and leftists.

"Most Israelis are descended from people who migrated to the Holy Land from 1881 to 1949."

Yes, with the aid of Britain, that's when the settler colonialism began. They didn't think the Nakba was worth even mentioning at all? The death of 15k and the ousting of 700k Palestinians from 1947-1949 seems like it should be the first thing mentioned in an article on colonialism. The only reason to omit the Nakba is to mislead people.

"They were not completely new to the region. Today Israel is the only home of 9 million Israelis who have lived there for multiple generations."

"Multiple generations," as if the history of Israeli colonialism only starts after 1949, and nothing before can be discussed. Omitting the fact that before the Nakba, the native Arab Jews, while a minority, lived in relative peace with the Arab Muslims and Christians in the area, also clearly done to mislead people. Also omits the fact that Israel opened up citizenship to Jews around the world to come and settle the area specifically to pump up their population size to overtake the Arab majority.

“Even more preposterous than the ‘colonizer’ label is the ‘whiteness’ trope that is key to the decolonization ideology … Israel has a large community of Ethiopian Jews, and about half of all Israelis … are Mizrahi, the descendants of Jews from Arab and Persian lands,” Montefiore notes.⁠"

You don't need to be white to be a colonizer. Entirely disingenuous take. Also it's worth mentioning the history of discrimination Arab and Ethiopian Jews faced from white Azeknazi Jews immediately after they were ousted from Europe and settled into Palestine. Arab Jews were specifically placed as a buffer between Azkenazi Jews and the Arab populations they just ousted/massacred and had just went to war against. This is where some of the first critique of whiteness in Israel comes from, and it is intertwined with the history of Israel/Palestine.

This is worse than Fox news level reporting. The amount of times I've seen a twisted version of history being broadcast from supposed legitimate news organizations is fukking crazy.

all you did was confirm that jews were in the area

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The author:
Simon Sebag Montefiore was born in London. His father was psychotherapist Stephen Eric Sebag Montefiore (1926–2014), a great-grandson of the banker Sir Joseph Sebag-Montefiore, the nephew and heir of the wealthy philanthropist Sir Moses Montefiore,[3] considered by some "the most important Jew of the 19th century".[4]

These white Jews never stop with their lies and propaganda. I read that article and said only a caucasian jew would write something so asisine

ashkenazi jews are less than half of Israel’s population

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The problem here is y’all want black people to pick a side based on historically race based applications of colonialism, something this is not.

Largely why I consider it clown shoes to try and draw parallels between South Africa and US chattel slavery as an emotional play for black Americans.

See this is why I’m not so emotionally invested in ANY side of this

Yes, we all know the ashkenazi European jews…but the real problem with this discussion of race ignores the jewish diaspora which is functionally more diverse than the Arab local diaspora AND looks VERY similar. Thats why I was mentioning the Chaldeans and Assyrians.

Plus we know how quickly demographics can change visually and ethnically …now add 1000 years. Now add another 1000 years.



Now add another 1000 years.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I might not even bother. Check my last post, the author is a white BRITISH Jew. I don’t even take the article serious anymore it’s just more pro-Israel Jewish propaganda at this point like photos of beheaded babies.

OK. Fine. Let’s ignore white jewish opinion.

Which jewish diaspora can be listened to?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Who said anything about picking sides? The problem is you’re a binary thinker and automatically equate being anti Israel as being pro palastine when that’s not the case. This is old fashioned plain bagel white colonialism. That’s all it is.

The parallels between Israel and every other white supremacist ethnostate such as apartheid South Africa and Jim crow America are pointed out because they all practice the exact same system of systematic discrimination. It’s the same plays from the white supremacist playbook. It has nothing to do with emotional plays on black Americans. Its just a matter of understating history and how this monolithic culture culture operates. White supremacy hasn’t evolved over the last 100 years.

Stop using the word colonialism.

Where’s the colonies? Where’s the mother country? Whats the extractive resource?

Are you comparing Israel to the Raj? North America? Spanish America? Colonial China?

SOUTH AFRICA WAS A COLONY EXTRACTING RESOURCES TO A MOTHER COUNTRY. Israel was NONE of that. It was some fukking desert they made into a country.

Yall keep using these fukking terms like trump cards then wonder why you keep losing arguments

Every displacement or challenge over land is NOT colonialism…unless we’re going to talk about Arab Nationalism and Expansionism

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Well, the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic is Jeffrey Goldberg, a "liberal" Zionist who is best know for propagating just about every lie you've probably ever heard in the lead up to the Iraq War.

Just something to keep in mind when reading their foreign policy coverage since it's his "area of expertise."

the article addresses the jewish diaspora and now hes just a zionist white invader

holy shyt

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It’s not about Palestinians being brown as it is about how settlers act. What Israel has done is what happened in the Western Hemisphere and Southern Africa.

Pretending that pattern doesn’t exist is ignoring history.

but then again—and I’m not accusing you—but most of this forum pretends the world didn’t exist before they became aware of it during the last decade. The collective behind Napoleon is one of them.

That article deciding to start history ignoring the Nakba should let you understand the perspective of that writer.

Look at this passage:


Reading up more on this, it wasnt a revolt but terrorist acts.

OK. Fine. Lets go back to Eve and the Apple.

Is that cool with you?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Uh this isn't about Goldberg being Jewish but okay...

You're aware that not every zionist is Jewish and not every Jewish person is a zionist, right?

There have been a number of liberal Jewish groups protesting what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians. It doesn't seem like they're unable to be impartial or objective.

I know you're that guy, but maybe don't be that guy.

see this is why I had to post that article and now you ee the problem.

This is not some black vs white issue as we perceive of things in North America. And the lines aren’t that clear either.

 

[that guy]

ashkenazi jews are less than half of Israel’s population

What does the demographic makeup of Israel have to do with theatlantic?

Even if I were to entertainment your argument either though it has nothing to do with my point, are you recalling trying to push the narrative that ashkenazi Jews in Israel aren’t practicing systematic racism against other Jewish ethnic groups such as the Ethiopian Jews?