The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[that guy]

The problem here is y’all want black people to pick a side based on historically race based applications of colonialism, something this is not.

Largely why I consider it clown shoes to try and draw parallels between South Africa and US chattel slavery as an emotional play for black Americans.

Who said anything about picking sides? The problem is you’re a binary thinker and automatically equate being anti Israel as being pro palastine when that’s not the case. This is old fashioned plain bagel white colonialism. That’s all it is.

The parallels between Israel and every other white supremacist ethnostate such as apartheid South Africa and Jim crow America are pointed out because they all practice the exact same system of systematic discrimination. It’s the same plays from the white supremacist playbook. It has nothing to do with emotional plays on black Americans. Its just a matter of understating history and how this monolithic culture culture operates. White supremacy hasn’t evolved over the last 100 years.

 

[FAH1223]

Head of the WHO

 

[intra vires]

That Atlantic article is pure propaganda bullshyt. Purposefully misleading, and a hit piece on critics of Israel and leftists.

"Most Israelis are descended from people who migrated to the Holy Land from 1881 to 1949."

Yes, with the aid of Britain, that's when the settler colonialism began. They didn't think the Nakba was worth even mentioning at all? The death of 15k and the ousting of 700k Palestinians from 1947-1949 seems like it should be the first thing mentioned in an article on colonialism. The only reason to omit the Nakba is to mislead people.

"They were not completely new to the region. Today Israel is the only home of 9 million Israelis who have lived there for multiple generations."

"Multiple generations," as if the history of Israeli colonialism only starts after 1949, and nothing before can be discussed. Omitting the fact that before the Nakba, the native Arab Jews, while a minority, lived in relative peace with the Arab Muslims and Christians in the area, also clearly done to mislead people. Also omits the fact that Israel opened up citizenship to Jews around the world to come and settle the area specifically to pump up their population size to overtake the Arab majority.

“Even more preposterous than the ‘colonizer’ label is the ‘whiteness’ trope that is key to the decolonization ideology … Israel has a large community of Ethiopian Jews, and about half of all Israelis … are Mizrahi, the descendants of Jews from Arab and Persian lands,” Montefiore notes.⁠"

You don't need to be white to be a colonizer. Entirely disingenuous take. Also it's worth mentioning the history of discrimination Arab and Ethiopian Jews faced from white Azeknazi Jews immediately after they were ousted from Europe and settled into Palestine. Arab Jews were specifically placed as a buffer between Azkenazi Jews and the Arab populations they just ousted/massacred and had just went to war against. This is where some of the first critique of whiteness in Israel comes from, and it is intertwined with the history of Israel/Palestine.

This is worse than Fox news level reporting. The amount of times I've seen a twisted version of history being broadcast from supposed legitimate news organizations is fukking crazy.

Well, the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic is Jeffrey Goldberg, a "liberal" Zionist who is best know for propagating just about every lie you've probably ever heard in the lead up to the Iraq War.

Just something to keep in mind when reading their foreign policy coverage since it's his "area of expertise."

 

[that guy]

Well, the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic is Jeffrey Goldberg, a "liberal" Zionist who is best know for propagating just about every lie you've probably ever heard in the lead up to the Iraq War.

Just something to keep in mind when reading their foreign policy coverage since it's his "area of expertise."

The author of the article Is also a Jew. They don’t even try to hide their inability to be impartial or objective

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

The author of the article Is also a Jew. They don’t even try to hide their inability to be impartial or objective

Bigotry abounds!

 

[Pressure]

Bigotry abounds!

It always comes out

 

[Pressure]

Who said anything about picking sides? The problem is you’re a binary thinker and automatically equate being anti Israel as being pro palastine when that’s not the case. This is old fashioned plain bagel white colonialism. That’s all it is.

The parallels between Israel and every other white supremacist ethnostate such as apartheid South Africa and Jim crow America are pointed out because they all practice the exact same system of systematic discrimination. It’s the same plays from the white supremacist playbook. It has nothing to do with emotional plays on black Americans. Its just a matter of understating history and how this monolithic culture culture operates. White supremacy hasn’t evolved over the last 100 years.

You were just arguing that it wasn’t white supremacy

 

[mastermind]

Some good points here.


The racial narrative is misleading and oversimplified.

Palestinians are not as "brown" as people like to think. And Israelis are not as "white" as people like to think.

It’s not about Palestinians being brown as it is about how settlers act. What Israel has done is what happened in the Western Hemisphere and Southern Africa.

Pretending that pattern doesn’t exist is ignoring history.

but then again—and I’m not accusing you—but most of this forum pretends the world didn’t exist before they became aware of it during the last decade. The collective behind Napoleon is one of them.

That article deciding to start history ignoring the Nakba should let you understand the perspective of that writer.

Look at this passage:

In the 1930s, Britain turned against Zionism, and from 1937 to 1939 moved toward an Arab state with no Jewish one at all. It was an armed Jewish revolt, from 1945 to 1948 against imperial Britain, that delivered the state.

Reading up more on this, it wasnt a revolt but terrorist acts.

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

The author of the article Is also a Jew. They don’t even try to hide their inability to be impartial or objective

Don't be that guy. Being Jewish has nothing to do with it. Some of Israel's harshest and most famous critics are Jewish.

 

[that guy]

Bigotry abounds!

So now black people are bigots for calling out blatantly biased Jewish “journalists” for putting out pro-Israel propaganda? You can’t make this up

 

[that guy]

You were just arguing that it wasn’t white supremacy

If that’s what you got then public school failed you

 

[that guy]

Don't be that guy. Being Jewish has nothing to do with it. Some of Israel's harshest and most famous critics are Jewish.

Your logic is flawed, you’re implying that because other Jewish people are not Zionist then this journalist can’t be impartial. Nobody said “all Jewish people are bad Zionist”

“Some of Israel’s harshest and most famous critics are Jewish” yeah, and so are some are their biggest supporters, like the ones who elected a genocidal maniac like Netanyahu. Neither one has anything to do with the other.

I said this journalist is clearly biased based on the terrible and deceptive points he made in the article. To imply that having Jewish heritage wouldn’t have an impact on how that person perceived the Israel-palestinine conflict is asinine. The same thing goes for Palestinians. If a Palestinian author wrote a Palestinian version of that article I would say he was biased and not objective as well. Jews don’t get special treatment.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Head of the WHO

lol, at least this weasel is talking about an actual siege now....

 

[intra vires]

The author of the article Is also a Jew. They don’t even try to hide their inability to be impartial or objective

Uh this isn't about Goldberg being Jewish but okay...

You're aware that not every zionist is Jewish and not every Jewish person is a zionist, right?

There have been a number of liberal Jewish groups protesting what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians. It doesn't seem like they're unable to be impartial or objective.

I know you're that guy, but maybe don't be that guy.

 

[mastermind]

To imply that having Jewish heritage wouldn’t have an impact on how that person perceived the Israel-palestinine conflict is asinine.

You not helping yourself at all.

A lot of Jewish people have been organizing and in support of Palestine.

Your statement isn’t different than saying all Palestinians are Hamas.


This is a discussion about Zionism, settler colonialism and genocide. Many Jews see this destruction of Gaza, and Israel taking Palestinian lands as unholy, unjust and not far from Naziism.