The Official Israel-Gaza Thread
Ye. The one thing about Republicans is their base supports wars and destruction. I believe we're going to see a much larger drop for bidens base. He's handling this horriblyIf Biden does lose, and Haley or Desantis get voted in..
DeSantis administration bans pro-Palestinian group from state campuses
Ron DeSantis's administration is linking a pro-Palestinian student organization to terrorism and is ordering state universities to ban the group from campuses, saying it illegally backs Hamas militants who attacked Israel earlier this month.www.cbsnews.com
Nikki Haley: Attack on Israel should be wake-up call for America
“We don't need to wait for another 9/11," Haley said.www.politico.com
Palestinians really gonna get fukked both here and abroad.
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When you’re willing to ignore the numerous times the Arabs and Palestinians tried to wipe out the Jews and lost numerous wars a lot of this will make more sense
Keep an open mind
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The US isn’t going to stop supporting an ally after a terrorist attack where US citizens were murdered and some are still being held hostage.
I already gave you the link proving the previous deal you claimed was never even available. Clinton's negotiators came up with a compromise, BOTH sides said they had reservations and couldn't accept it, and Israel never came back to the bargaining table.
None of that related to the original question you asked about Jordan in the 1960s or whatever. You're just deflecting towards a different question.
And it's rewriting history to suggest that the Clinton Parameters were actually on the table and the Palestinians simply rejected them. BOTH sides said that the Clinton Parameters were not workable as written, and Palestine offered to keep negotiating from that starting point but they were taken off the table just a few days later.
Israel-Palestine: the real reason there’s still no peace
The long read: The possibility of a lasting deal seems as far away as ever – and the history of failed negotiations suggests it’s largely because Israel prefers the status quowww.theguardian.com
In case you're interested in the actual sticking points:
1) Israeli Jews were being allowed to keep most of East Jerusalem as well as their illegal settlements in Palestine
2) The land being given to Israeli settlers in the West Bank would have meant Palestine was broken up into up to 5 different discontinguous territories (Gaza, an isolated island in East Jerusalem, and either 2 or 3 separated sections of the West Bank). This is an untenable manner to operate a country when your mortal enemy controls your own movement between each little separate part of your territory.
3) The lack of Right of Return as guarenteed in the Geneva Convention, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, UN General Assembly Resolution 194 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3236. The right of those people who were forcibly displaced from their land to return if they so choose. Israel rejected this on blatant demographic terms (the equivilent of admitting that genocide - the eliminating of a certain group of people from the land - had always been their aim).
4) Israel demanded that Palestine be demilitarized, that Israel would be allowed to have radar stations within the West Bank, that Israel could deploy soldiers on the West Bank/Jordan border, and that Israel retained the right to deploy troops into Palestine when it felt appropriate. This was a fairly large interferance with Palestinian soveignity, though from what I understand it was actually less of a sticking point than East Jerusalem, the carving out of the West Bank into different sections, and Right of Return.
5) Israel demanded that Palestine give up the right to negotiate any future demands, ever. So if they accepted the deal on Israel's terms, they could never negotiate for any greater control in East Jerusalem, any Right of Return for more families, any change to the status of Israeli military installations within their own borders, etc.
Why don't you post the actual deal that was actually ever on the table from Israel for Palestine to accept? Link the specifics, not some ignorant tweet from a decade later.
I already proved you were lying. Why did you respond to him and not me?
The thread is right there. I'm linking right to it. Show us at what point in the first few hours the "energy" was people CELEBRATING.
You're so full of shyt.
Yeah, let's check that "academic integrity", why don't we?
Zionism and Palestine before the First World War
"It is worth recalling in this connection that at the turn of the century, Zionism's similarities to other projects of colonization were not a source of embarrassment or shame for most of the movement's adherents; indeed, they often saw them as a selling point. Zionist leaders studied and sought to learn from the experience of European colonial-settlement enterprises in places like Algeria, Rhodesia, and Kenya, and many imagined their own endeavor as similar in certain ways.[7] Moreover, the Zionist movement readily used such terms as “colony,” “colonial,” and “colonization” to refer to its activities; thus, for example, the original name of its financial arm was the Jewish Colonial Trust. It was only later, after the First World War, that colonialism came to have strongly pejorative connotations for many Europeans. As a consequence the Zionist movement sought to dissociate itself from other European projects of colonization and settlement, began to stress the uniqueness and noncolonial character of its mission and methods, and stopped using such terms, at least in languages other than Hebrew."
So Israeli colonialists happily called themselves colonialists so long as White people were their heroes and role models. It was only when popular sentiment turned against colonizers that they changed the language up.
You ate their propaganda up hook, line, and sinker, but then when I speak from reality, you call me the disingenuous one?
Just like Jimmy Carter writing for Israel's longest-running and most respected newspaper, right?
Colonization of Palestine precludes peace
For More Than a Quarter Century, Israeli Policy Has Been in Conflict With That of the United States and the International Community. Israel's Occupation of Pale
www.haaretz.com
Colonization of Palestine Precludes Peace
Israel's colonisation of Palestine blocking peace, says Jimmy Carter
Look at that extremist.
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You didn’t. You and others used false equivalency and hinged responses to condemn hamas because of your broader notion that Palestinians have universal claim to the territory.
Like i said. You all celebrated and welcomed the attackI believe Israel did have it coming. Not the same as celebrating it.
All this prevarication you do to deny being a class reductionist or your critiques of capitalism come from the same well of obfuscation and a lack of accountability for your convictions or stances. Anytime you get directly challenged then it’s a question of epistemology and philosophical goal tending.
Arguments from authority are logical fallaciesYeah, let's check that "academic integrity", why don't we?
Zionism and Palestine before the First World War
"It is worth recalling in this connection that at the turn of the century, Zionism's similarities to other projects of colonization were not a source of embarrassment or shame for most of the movement's adherents; indeed, they often saw them as a selling point. Zionist leaders studied and sought to learn from the experience of European colonial-settlement enterprises in places like Algeria, Rhodesia, and Kenya, and many imagined their own endeavor as similar in certain ways.[7] Moreover, the Zionist movement readily used such terms as “colony,” “colonial,” and “colonization” to refer to its activities; thus, for example, the original name of its financial arm was the Jewish Colonial Trust. It was only later, after the First World War, that colonialism came to have strongly pejorative connotations for many Europeans. As a consequence the Zionist movement sought to dissociate itself from other European projects of colonization and settlement, began to stress the uniqueness and noncolonial character of its mission and methods, and stopped using such terms, at least in languages other than Hebrew."
So Israeli colonialists happily called themselves colonialists so long as White people were their heroes and role models. It was only when popular sentiment turned against colonizers that they changed the language up.
You ate their propaganda up hook, line, and sinker, but then when I speak from reality, you call me the disingenuous one?
Just like Jimmy Carter writing for Israel's longest-running and most respected newspaper, right?
Colonization of Palestine precludes peace
For More Than a Quarter Century, Israeli Policy Has Been in Conflict With That of the United States and the International Community. Israel's Occupation of Pale
Colonization of Palestine Precludes Peace
Israel's colonisation of Palestine blocking peace, says Jimmy Carter
Look at that extremist.
If this is colonization, where are the colonies?
What’s with the defense industry point? Do weapons cost too much? Is that your complaint?
So it’s not about them being Jewish?the british mandate wasn't issued because of black jews.
Interesting
What world do you live in with good deals?
I bet if you ask them now they would have taken many of these past deals.