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[Saysumthinfunnymike]

However, going by the rule book That last lap should be invalidated and x Lewis should be World Champion.

Never happen.. there's no way to actually crown Lewis. Maybe they can vacate the title?

 

[KillerB88]

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

There is.

There's no reasonable thought that Max could pass 5 different cars and catch up to Lewis in the same lap. To say it's not 100% is pretending to not know how racing works. He needed to be immediately behind him in order to catch AND pass him.

That's not an argument that holds up in court. Lewis could have crashed on the final lap. The best they could do is vacate the title.

 

[Jean toomer]

This appeal has to make a difference. There was a clear violation of TWO rules at the end. This is not one of those "grey" matters. It's not a loophole. It was simply a case of Michael Masi making up his own rule where one already exists.

Like some have said, you let all cars pass or let none pass. Not that half/half bullshyt we saw. Mercedes can rightly say they kept Lewis out because according to the rules, they knew that Lewis was gonna be safe either way.

Completely agree. The potential uproar caused by a reversal though is politically untenable.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

No disrespect but there’s so much wrong with what you just said. And there was no way Max would have passed those lapped cars and overtaken Lewis in one lap. At the same time, had ALL the lapped cars been allowed to pass the safety car, the race still would finished under the safety car. They did this for the “show”.

i didn't dispute that... but court cases aren't won on what probably would have happened.

 

[phillycavsfan]

That last lap should be invalidated and x Lewis should be World Champion.

Never gonna happen. At best they'd share the title.

 

[calh45]

That's not an argument that holds up in court. Lewis could have crashed on the final lap. The best they could do is vacate the title.

In court they bring in experts to explain context. They can bring in every world champion and racing expert, dead or alive, from any country you'd like including the Netherlands where Max is from, and EVEN Christian Horner or Max would tell them it's not possible for him to get past lapped cars to catch AND pass Lewis.

Firstly, the reason why is that it'd be about a second or two gap just at the start. Just that alone means he wasn't catching Lewis.

 

[jj23]

Those two things are one in the same. If he allowed himself to be intimidated by RBR then he's also rigging the race. He can't be the race director after this year.



After watching Lewis' interview after the race I think he's gone. Why stay? They tried to find multiple ways to keep him from passing Schumacher including making up rules so that Max could start on fresh tires behind him on the last lap. To make it worse they ain't got no shame in celebrating after shytting on Lewis, AND HIS POPS, for the last month to reporter they could find.

If I was Lewis I'd leave and let them see what happens to the viewership without me......but I'm pretty petty.

Yeah, he looked like he had enough to be fair.

He doesn't need this bullshyt.

He's hooked though, he will give it one more year.

 

[Jean toomer]

Those two things are one in the same. If he allowed himself to be intimidated by RBR then he's also rigging the race. He can't be the race director after this year.

Exactly.
Take a year off and apply pressure.

After watching Lewis' interview after the race I think he's gone. Why stay? They tried to find multiple ways to keep him from passing Schumacher including making up rules so that Max could start on fresh tires behind him on the last lap. To make it worse they ain't got no shame in celebrating after shytting on Lewis, AND HIS POPS, for the last month to reporter they could find.

If I was Lewis I'd leave and let them see what happens to the viewership without me......but I'm pretty petty.

exactly.

 

[BelieveBeOK]

So what happens? Max won that last lap... You can't say that Lewis def would have won because there's too many factors even if you say 75% chance or 90% chance that's not 100%...

Max could have gotten through the cars and made it close... maybe... probably not.. probably not enough time.

My point is they can't remove Max as champ and put Lewis as champ.

The race would have ended under the safety car regulations (i.e. no overtaking) and Lewis was leading so he certainly would have won given that his car made it to the end of the line anyway.

 

[karim]

its incredible to get intimidated by Red Bull. And I completely agree. I’m looking forward to this drama now tho. Likely nothing happens but there is a precedent set before

Those two things are one in the same. If he allowed himself to be intimidated by RBR then he's also rigging the race. He can't be the race director after this year.



After watching Lewis' interview after the race I think he's gone. Why stay? They tried to find multiple ways to keep him from passing Schumacher including making up rules so that Max could start on fresh tires behind him on the last lap. To make it worse they ain't got no shame in celebrating after shytting on Lewis, AND HIS POPS, for the last month to reporter they could find.

If I was Lewis I'd leave and let them see what happens to the viewership without me......but I'm pretty petty.

I'm not defending Masi, just saying that he didn't intentionally rig the race. If I was him, I would have told the safety car to stay out until all the cars unlapped themselves, which would have taken one lap and by then the race would have been over. If Red Bull complained, he could have told them that they got what they wanted so they need to shut up

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

In court they bring in experts to explain context.

Breh you're not factoring in that Lewis has to cross the finish line. Say a pop up in baseball.. they are caught 99% of the time. But the game isn't actually over until it's secured in the glove. A race isn't complete until the driver crosses. How do you explain that away even if it's a near impossibility?

 

[calh45]

fukk a protest
Its over
Just come back hard next year

Lewis is gone bro.

I don't think he's coming back now.

This race will undoubtedly lose a lot of the purists. It’s just embarrassing for the sport.

I've been watching F1 since I was 14. Schumacher winning in Bennetton Blue was the first full season I watched. I'm not watching if the same guy is the race director next year. They purposely manipulated a few rules for Lewis to lose. That's fukking wild.

I've seen racers crash other racers, but it's never been caused by the governing body making decisions that directly influenced what's been happening in this way going all the way back to Brazil. It's been sloppy manipulation along with a sloppy ass cover up.

 

[jj23]

There's no way to say 100% that the race was won which means there's no way for Lewis to be named champion even if they win the appeal.

True, you can also argue that unless those lapped cars completely stopped, Lewis would have made at least two corners before Max got close....that would have been all he needed.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

The race would have ended under the safety car regulations (i.e. no overtaking) and Lewis was leading so he certainly would have won given that his car made it to the end of the line anyway.

i'm saying if they had a final lap ... not under safety reg.