The Official Debunking Hebrew Israelites Thread

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Yes friend, your own.


Just avoidance friend. For the 4th time, Im not saying they have everything right. Im just saying that one that follows the commandments of the God of Abraham is better off than one that doesnt.

Yet, you've continually downplayed the extreme Hebrew Israelite's false teachings, which go against God's commandments, to interject with something about Christians.


:mjpls:So who's showing partiality again?

This thread is titled debunking Hebrew Israelites, not debunking Christianity.






Defending them would mean I'd be spouting these doctrines which Im not. :rudy:

Coulda fooled me. You've been downplaying their perversion of scripture since you came in here.


Faulty logic? So let me ask again....
Why would the disciples ask if a man BORN BLIND sinned to be BORN BLIND unless they believed that the man could have had a past life? :mjpls:

Lol common sense completely alludes you, but I'll entertain your question again for the sake of humor and clarity.


Let's start by reading the verses 2 through 7 again. I'm going to break em up so you can read them slowly.

John 9:2-7
And His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?”

Jesus answered, “It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work.

While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world.”

When He had said this, He spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and applied the clay to his eyes, and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which is translated, Sent).

So he went away and washed, and came back seeing

Notice the highlighted portion? Does it say "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents. The person who became this man sinned in their past life. So now they've returned to live out their new existence as him in shame"

Did you happen to see the word reincarnated anywhere in those passages? If not, can you please show me where that word appears in scripture?

Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment


Moreover...

King-Over-Kingz said:
Im not watching that my brethren. I dont care if reincarnation is real or not. You can choose to address my post or not. Thats fine but just quickly
And as I said, Im not watching a 55 minute video about a doctrine I dont care much for. Whether it is real or not, has NO BEARING on how I live my life.
And it is. Malachi 4 explains it. As does Jesus believing that John the Baptist was Elijah. Not that I care whether or not reincarnation is really real. Just that I know there is merit to it especially from my personal experience that I will leave out.
I did not say that John 9 is about reincarnation. What I did say is that the question asked is a dumb question if they do not believe in reincarnation. Why would they ask if a man BORN BLIND had sinned to be born BLIND? Does that even make sense? Nope. That is, unless they thought he could have had a past life...

You didnt address any of that and want me to watch a 55 minute video about a doctrine I could care less if it exists or not. I'll pass respectfully


So you jump into a thread to argue over a doctrine you don't even care about, even though it has merit due to your personal experiences, yet has no bearing on how you live your life whatsoever aside from you going hard for it the past 3 or 4 pages?

But you have no interest in it at all. None. :mjpls: You just argue things you don't care about for fun.

@Dafunkdoc_Unlimited I'd like you to chime in on @King-Over-Kingz blatant contradictions.



Theres alot of work here that Im not going to get into because I dont care much about it. Just dont forget Joseph was afflicted as well. Not to mention the 7 year famine that caused them to go to Egypt in the first place. Among other things friend that happened in between Abraham and the Israelite exodus

And I dont see how it was ridiculous other than you leaving certain things that happened out. If one wanted to get to the bottom of it, thats what they would do.

Czar said:
See what I just did? I was imitating you by creating a ridiculous argument using scripture.
Czar said:
FWIW, I could answer my own question... but I'll let you do the research since you're still unlearned :youngsabo:

Riiight....
 

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@@Dafunkdoc_Unlimited I'd like you to chime in on @@King-Over-Kingz blatant contradictions.

I've been telling him for a couple pages, but his presuppositions won't allow him to correct his errors in interpretation.

He won't be convinced he's wrong even when the evidence is overwhelming from his own posts.
 

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Yes friend, your own.

And your own :mjpls:


Yet, you've continually downplayed the extreme Hebrew Israelite's false teachings, which go against God's commandments, to interject with something about Christians.


:mjpls:So who's showing partiality again?

This thread is titled debunking Hebrew Israelites, not debunking Christianity.

Where have I downplayed there teachings? I've maintained the same position all along. Them following God's commandments is a better position than christians not following God's commandments.

Partiality? Im not with either situation. And I'd advise anybody that is with either, to get out of them. Which has nothing to do with you ignoring Funkadellic or whatever his name exemplifying the same stubbornness. Then you pretend to have "not read" our conversation :mjlol: God Almighty can read your heart friend. And God can cause whoever God wants, to also read your heart friend. Even if just for a moment.

Coulda fooled me. You've been downplaying their perversion of scripture since you came in here.

You're easily fooled.


Lol common sense completely alludes you, but I'll entertain your question again for the sake of humor and clarity.


Let's start by reading the verses 2 through 7 again. I'm going to break em up so you can read them slowly.

John 9:2-7


Notice the highlighted portion? Does it say "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents. The person who became this man sinned in their past life. So now they've returned to live out their new existence as him in shame"

Did you happen to see the word reincarnated anywhere in those passages? If not, can you please show me where that word appears in scripture?

Hebrews 9:27



Moreover...

Just answer the question friend. If they didnt believe a man could have a past life, why would they ask if a man that was born blind could sin to have been born blind?


So you jump into a thread to argue over a doctrine you don't even care about, even though it has merit due to your personal experiences, yet has no bearing on how you live your life whatsoever aside from you going hard for it the past 3 or 4 pages?

But you have no interest in it at all. None. :mjpls: You just argue things you don't care about for fun.

Yes. Its fun to me. And I learn from experience.

@Dafunkdoc_Unlimited I'd like you to chime in on @King-Over-Kingz blatant contradictions.

Thats it. Call for backup. Too bad backup wont help you from the face of God Almighty :mjpls:

Riiight....

I am.... :mjpls:
 

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Yea. You just picked a post out meant for him and responded to it. And then skipped over the convo that me and him were having to respond to my posts :childplease:

Come on friend. You dont think God can read your heart?

Actually, that's exactly what I did lol.



Czar said:
...The way you've been arguing you're standing on sand castles in the middle of a tsunami breh :mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:


Now where did I say that it was speaking of the West African slave trade? I didnt. But such as been done before, you're throwing arguments out there that I havent supported.

:what:Breh, you said Deuteronomy 28 was about Africans. Is verse 68 somehow NOT part of chapter 28?

In fact, one of your first threads on here was precisely about the West African slave trade and Deuteronomy 28:68.


Oh and yes Africans are cursed. Some physically others spiritually. Look at their land. Look at whats going on there. Not only them, but people across all nations are being cursed for idolatry, witchcraft, among other things. South America. Mexico. All you have to do is look at their conditions then look at what they believe to see that most do not worship God Almighty, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.This isnt a blanket statement though. But one can read Deuteronomy 28 and see that MANY of the curses apply to Africa as well as other places in the world. If one believes that the God of Israeli is God over all creation like Moses thru the prophets suggest, then we could see why they're in the predicament they're in.

Except those curses weren't for believing in God, but for being disobedient to him.

Although I wholehearted agree that those curses stretch across a broad spectrum of people, including Africans. I believe the original Hebrews were a people of color, and many were in fact black based on their vast intermixing with the Hamites throughout the Old Testament.

I believe the West African slave trade was in part a fulfillment of many of those curses of Deuteronomy 28 as well. But verse 68 in particular happened during the Judeo-Roman wars.

I've maintained the same position this whole time. If I have a group that follows the commandments of God vs. a group that doesnt follow the commandments because they believe it was "nailed to the cross" then the first group is in a better position.

Problem is, the group you think is following God's commandments, actually isn't. Arguing against that is only going to expose your ignorance some more.

I havent downplayed anything friend. If I was, then I'd be making excuses for their clear misconceptions on the God of Abraham, and what was said to the prophets about foreigners among other ridiculous things I've read about their doctrines in this thread alone. Nonetheless Im not.

Again, coulda fooled me

Step my biblical knowledge up? You're right friend. Because as much as I've read the bible, I still do not know everything there is to know in it. Do you friend? Are you done learning? If not, you can take your own advice as well

Nope, I'm stepping mines up every day. But I'm also not jumping in threads to argue about things I'm not "interested in" .
 
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Actually, that's exactly what I did lol.

Sure. :mjlol:

:what:Breh, you said Deuteronomy 28 was about Africans. Is verse 68 somehow NOT part of chapter 28?

In fact, one of your first threads on here was precisely about the West African slave trade and Deuteronomy 28:68.

I didnt say Deuteronomy 28 was about Africans. I said that many of the curses in Deuteronomy 28 apply to Africans. Do they not? I mean I can go thru them if you want.

Sure. Reference an old thread I made and pretend that thats what we're discussing in this thread. Is that being honest friend? Nonetheless so what? The curses apply to blacks in America too. Among other places across the globe.

Except those curses weren't for believing in God, but for being disobedient to him.

Not believing in God and being disobedient is one in the same friend. God was God of ALL people my friend. So ALL people are being disobedient by worshiping idols whether these idols be angels, things made of wood and stone, or whatever else.

Although I wholehearted agree that those curses stretch across a broad spectrum of people, including Africans. I believe the original Hebrews were a people of color, and many were in fact black based on their vast intermixing with the Hamites throughout the Old Testament.

I believe the West African slave trade was in part a fulfillment of many of those curses of Deuteronomy 28 as well. But verse 68 in particular happened during the Judeo-Roman wars.

Very well. Then we are in agreement despite the fact that I havent research the Judeo-Roman wars


Problem is, the group you think is following God's commandments, actually isn't. Arguing against that is only going to expose your ignorance some more.

I'll let God Almighty decide that. What I originally stated in the beginning was that the group that believes in following God's commandments is better off than the group that believes they dont have to because it was nailed to the cross.

The rest of their doctrines? They'll have to answer to that. And by them going and teaching others these doctrines, that will be between them and God Almighty. But you can say the same for Christians that teach erroneous doctrine. And Muslims. And catholics. You'll say "this thread isnt about them" and I never did want to make it about them. I just commented that SINCE I'VE been here thats who I see you going hardest at. It was an observation.

Again, coulda fooled me

If I can fool you that easily, than imagine what Satan can and has done :youngsabo:

Nope, I'm stepping mines up every day. But I'm also not jumping in threads to argue about things I'm not "interested in" .

I guess that makes you my superior morally? Nah.

Im not interested in christianity but that doesnt mean I dont try to help my brethren see that God Almighty is important over the words of men. Im not interested in working, but that doesnt mean I dont do it. Im not interested in Islam, but that doesnt mean I dont try to help my brethren see the true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Im not interested in catholicism but that doesnt mean I dont try to help my brethren see that God is ONE not three or that we shouldnt be praying to anyone or thing besides God Almighty. I think you get the gist by now. If you dont, oh well you dont have to.

And thats whats up. I try to step mine up as well.
 

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And your own :mjpls:

I'm not the one arguing for the sake of arguing. :mjpls:



Where have I downplayed there teachings? I've maintained the same position all along. Them following God's commandments is a better position than christians not following God's commandments.

Partiality? Im not with either situation. And I'd advise anybody that is with either, to get out of them. Which has nothing to do with you ignoring

What makes you think they're following God's commandments? All of them take the lord's name in vain. They also profane it by attaching their false doctrines and prophecies to it.

All of them add and subtract to scripture.

Most of the elders have been caught fornicating and committing adultery. Some camps such as GMS advocate rape.

There are even some camps, who shall remain nameless, that are involved in illicit actives while twisting scripture to justify it

You should be quiet breh, You're not informed enough about this topic to be discussing it.


Funkadellic or whatever his name exemplifying the same stubbornness. Then you pretend to have "not read" our conversation :mjlol: God Almighty can read your heart friend. And God can cause whoever God wants, to also read your heart friend. Even if just for a moment.

Thing is, you ain't God.

Listen, turn off your Laptop or Cell for the day please. Your ignorance is overbearing.


You're easily fooled.

The irony.


Just answer the question friend. If they didnt believe a man could have a past life, why would they ask if a man that was born blind could sin to have been born blind?

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Yes. Its fun to me. And I learn from experience.

Learn how to turn off your Laptop and Cell for the day friend.


Thats it. Call for backup. Too bad backup wont help you from the face of God Almighty :mjpls:

Backup off your keyboard and get some fresh air breh. Let your brain get some clarity.

I am....not* :mjpls:

*Correction :youngsabo:
 

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I'm more than sure breh :mjlol:


he curses apply to blacks in America too. Among other places across the globe.

Not all black people in America. But that's another discussion for another day.

Not believing in God and being disobedient is one in the same friend. God was God of ALL people my friend. So ALL people are being disobedient by worshiping idols whether these idols be angels, things made of wood and stone, or whatever else.

So then stick to the topic of the thread breh.

Very well. Then we are in agreement despite the fact that I havent research the Judeo-Roman wars

I highly recommend you do so. Josephus is the best place to start. He was a 1st century Hebrew historian who fought during the siege of Jerusalem.

http://www.josephus.org/

I'll let God Almighty decide that. What I originally stated in the beginning was that the group that believes in following God's commandments is better off than the group that believes they dont have to because it was nailed to the cross.

Again, you downplay what they're doing wrong to bring up the Christians.

Stick to the topic of the thread breh.


The rest of their doctrines? They'll have to answer to that. And by them going and teaching others these doctrines, that will be between them and God Almighty. But you can say the same for Christians that teach erroneous doctrine. And Muslims. And catholics. You'll say "this thread isnt about them" and I never did want to make it about them. I just commented that SINCE I'VE been here thats who I see you going hardest at. It was an observation.


Again, you downplay what they're doing wrong to bring up the Christians.

Stick to the topic of the thread breh.



If I can fool you that easily, than imagine what Satan can and has done :youngsabo:

:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol: You realize you're essentially calling yourself one of Satan's emissaries, right?

Hopefully that was unintentional.


I guess that makes you my superior morally? Nah.

:childplease:Where did you see me say I was your superior morally?


Im not interested in christianity

Then you should stop bringing it up in every time UPKers are brought up.

but that doesnt mean I dont try to help my brethren see that God Almighty is important over the words of men. Im not interested in working, but that doesnt mean I dont do it. Im not interested in Islam, but that doesnt mean I dont try to help my brethren see the true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Im not interested in catholicism but that doesnt mean I dont try to help my brethren see that God is ONE not three or that we shouldnt be praying to anyone or thing besides God Almighty. I think you get the gist by now. If you dont, oh well you dont have to.

Look at the thread title. Do you see Catholicism in there? How about Islam?

Stick to the topic of the thread breh.


And thats whats up. I try to step mine up as well.

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I'm not the one arguing for the sake of arguing. :mjpls:

What do you call it when a brethren is arguing with someone thats "arguing for the sake of arguing"? I would think that the "brethren" is now arguing for the sake of arguing...


What makes you think they're following God's commandments? All of them take the lord's name in vain. They also profane it by attaching their false doctrines and prophecies to it.

All of them add and subtract to scripture.

Most of the elders have been caught fornicating and committing adultery. Some camps such as GMS advocate rape.

There are even some camps, who shall remain nameless, that are involved in illicit actives while twisting scripture to justify it

You should be quiet breh, You're not informed enough about this topic to be discussing it.

The actions of few do not represent the many.

But I guess if you're referring to a specific group, than their actions do not look to well.

I dont need to be quiet though. :mjpls:


Thing is, you ain't God.

:mjpls:


I was expecting you to avoid it AGAIN.

:manny:
 

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I'm more than sure breh :mjlol:

One can feel right in the heart and mind, and still be wrong in God's eyes friend :mjpls:

So then stick to the topic of the thread breh.

I think you should have taken your advice from the start. Because one simple question led to all this by you and the other brother.

I highly recommend you do so. Josephus is the best place to start. He was a 1st century Hebrew historian who fought during the siege of Jerusalem.

http://www.josephus.org/

:obama:

Again, you downplay what they're doing wrong to bring up the Christians.

Yea I was just wondering of YOUR focus on them thats all. Billions of christians out there as well just reminding you if your out to "help"Some are here to help others are not. I was just seeing which were you thats all....



:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol: You realize you're essentially calling yourself one of Satan's emissaries, right?

Hopefully that was unintentional.

No friend. Just that one can get misconstrued what another says into doing something they're not supposed to. Such as your Hebrew Israelite adversaries.

And if you get easily fooled by words put in plain english (with your hyperboles on my stance) than how much can Satan who existed before our creation fool you?

:childplease:Where did you see me say I was your superior morally?




Then you should stop bringing it up in every time UPKers are brought up.



Look at the thread title. Do you see Catholicism in there? How about Islam?

The better question is where did you see me say that you said that.

And I can bring whatever comment I have into the thread if I want. As I said, my first question was about YOUR focus. Than that question is what led to all this.
Go back and see with your eyes you being complicit.
 
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