The Official Debunking Hebrew Israelites Thread

[Everythingg]

^^ I TOLD you what you were wrong about and you still don't get it.
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Thats fine. Heres the advice I'll take from our convo today​

Then stop responding​

You have access to a Bible. Read it. The whole thing.​

Thanks for looking out. This advice should come in handy ​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Thats fine. Heres the advice I'll take from our convo today​

You forgot: without eisegesis and within the proper context.​

 

[Czar]

Nope. You're still being partial. See, ol guy can go 4 pages repeating Im wrong without ever explaining anything. You read this, and you're still claiming that Im the stubborn one. Yea keep it 100 my friend. Didnt your guy say to judge with righteous judgement?

Nah, I'm just exposing your ignorance.

He also said I am the way, the truth and life. No one comes through the father except through me. Which you reject.

No Im not. Im just saying them holding those beliefs are not as detrimental as christians holding beliefs that someone died for their sins so they dont have to follow the commandments

What kinda idiotic statement is that? Those are WORSE, because they are blatantly LYING on scripture and twisting it outta context to fit a false doctrine which denies others salvation. Where does scripture say that ONLY Brothers and Sisters sent through the slave trade of non-continental African descent (which in itself is ridiculously dense statement) along with Latinos and Native Americans can attain salvation? They are doing what Deuteronomy 4:2 tells us NOT to do.

Those two doctrines were created by 2 men who were ignorant of scripture. Abba Bivens and Ahrayah. The latter making the bold prediction that Jesus Christ was coming back by the year 2000 to kill and enslave everyone who wasn't on the 12 tribe chart. Then forcing us to repeat it.

Now contrast that with

John 3:16-18

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Moreover the New Testament mentions Christians 3 times. Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28-29 and 1 Peter 4:15-16.

Now show me in scripture where the combined term "Hebrew-Israelite" appears once?

Thats a guess my friend. Especially if you believe friend that says no one ascended to heaven except the son of man that descended to heaven. Do you believe this?

Proverbs 30:3-4

Neither have I learned wisdom, Nor do I have the knowledge of the Holy One.

Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son's name? Surely you know!

But you may continue defending a cult with splinter camps who claim rape will be permissible in the Kingdom of God, or that even if they miss salvation in their current life, God will reincarnate them in the future to give them 2nd, 3rd, 4th, even 5th chances

You said it not me

I was pointing out your faulty logic.

What Im saying is that the prophecy (Malachi 4:5) didnt say what Luke did. Thats clear as day.

Nope. What you're actually saying is you nitpick things when they go against your personal interpretation of scripture.

No I dont. Because it said in Genesis it says they will be enslaved/afflicted in the land for 400 years. Exodus 12:40 says they were there 430 years which could also be correct as they were there for some TIME before they were enslaved (Exodus 1:7-11). Nice try though lol

Still didn't prove your point. The text clearly states that they would only be strangers in a foreign land, and would be enslaved and oppressed for 400 years.

God said to Abram, “Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years.

Thing is, they weren't oppressed 400 years. Especially if we factor in Joseph was 39 years old when Jacob at age 130 (Genesis 47:9), came down to Egypt with the family. Joseph was 110 when he died (Genesis 50:26) meaning the Israelite had been in Egypt 71 years and weren't oppressed during that time. Then you gotta factor in Moses was 120 years old when he died (Deuteronomy 34:7), and guided Israel outta Egypt at age 80 (Exodus 7:7). If Moses was born 279 years after Joseph, it means Israel was only oppressed 359 years,. Not to mention.........


See what I just did? I was imitating you by creating a ridiculous argument using scripture.


And Trust me, I can point out things which are ALOT harder to answer than that in the Old Testament, which aren't going to have safe rebuttals in a google search..

FWIW, I could answer my own question... but I'll let you do the research since you're still unlearned

 

[Czar]

Stop pretending like you've just been reading our convo and havent read what he's been saying lol

Actually no, I haven't read y'all convo.

But I have seen y'all argue in the past, and seen how hard headed you can be.


You're displaying those same characteristics in here with me. So it makes sense that He & I acknowledge your stubbornness.

Except none of my points have been that loose. Im standing on rock my friend. What you standing on?

Rock? The way you've been arguing you're standing on sand castles in the middle of a tsunami breh


You obviously adhere to some form of Hebrew Israelite theology. Perhaps not the UPK's brand, but you definitely hold to the belief that Deuteronomy 28:68 is specifically talking about the West African slave trade (it isn't ftr). Especially when you said:

You've read Deuteronomy 28 right? You see how many curses apply to Africa? Not to mention the idolatry that goes on there.

You feel it's your duty to defend others who subscribe to it, even if their doctrinal views differ from your own..

Which explains why you're in here bashing Christians for following incorrect doctrines, while downplaying the severity of the ones the UPKers promote.

Which is why you need to stay outta threads like these and step your biblical knowledge up.

 

[Everythingg]

Nah, I'm just exposing your ignorance.

He also said I am the way, the truth and life. No one comes through the father except through me. Which you reject.

Nah you aint doing nothing breh. But Imma let you cook and show partiality. If you wasnt reading our convo you wouldnt have took a quote MEANT FOR HIM and started talking as you did. Remember stubbornness? You think God cant read your heart my friend?

Thing is, Jesus

What kinda idiotic statement is that? Those are WORSE, because they are blatantly LYING on scripture and twisting it outta context to fit a false doctrine which denies others salvation. Where does scripture say that ONLY Brothers and Sisters sent through the slave trade of non-continental African descent (which in itself is ridiculously dense statement) along with Latinos and Native Americans can attain salvation? They are doing what Deuteronomy 4:2 tells us NOT to do.

Moreover, those two doctrines were created by 2 men who were ignorant of scripture. Abba Bivens and Ahrayah. The latter making the bold prediction that Jesus Christ was coming back by the year 2000 to kill and enslave everyone who wasn't on the 12 tribe chart. Then forcing us to repeat it.

Now contrast that with

John 3:16-18



Moreover the New Testament mentions Christians 3 times. Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28-29 and 1 Peter 4:15-16.

Now show me in the Bible where the combined term "Hebrew-Israelite" appears once?

Just avoidance friend. For the 4th time, Im not saying they have everything right. Im just saying that one that follows the commandments of the God of Abraham is better off than one that doesnt because they believe Jesus "nailed it to the cross". Not to mention when friends worship Jesus as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. These are things christians do and that if you believe Revelation, leads to the lake of fire.

Proverbs 30:3-4





But you may continue defending a cult with splinter camps who claim rape will be permissible in the Kingdom of God, or that even if they miss salvation in their current life, god will reincarnate them anyways to give them 2nd, 3rd, forth, even fifth chances

Defending them would mean I'd be spouting these doctrines which Im not.

I was pointing out your faulty logic.

Faulty logic? So let me ask again....

Why would the disciples ask if a man BORN BLIND sinned to be BORN BLIND unless they believed that the man could have had a past life?

Still didn't prove your point. The text clearly states that they would only be strangers in a foreign land, and would be enslaved and oppressed for 400 years.



Thing is, they weren't oppressed 400 years. Especially if we factor in Joseph was 39 years old when Jacob at age 130 (Genesis 47:9), came down to Egypt with the family. Joseph was 110 when he died (Genesis 50:26) meaning the Israelite had been in Egypt 71 years and weren't oppressed during that time. Then you gotta factor in Moses was 120 years old when he died (Deuteronomy 34:7), and guided Israel outta Egypt at age 80 (Exodus 7:7). If Moses was born 279 years after Joseph, it means Israel was only oppressed 359 years,. Not to mention.........


See what I just did? I was imitating you by creating a ridiculous argument using scripture.


And Trust me, I can point out things which are ALOT harder to answer than that in the Old Testament, which aren't going to have safe rebuttals in a google search..

FWIW, I could answer my own question... but I'll let you do the research since you're still unlearned

Theres alot of work here that Im not going to get into because I dont care much about it. Just dont forget Joseph was afflicted as well. Not to mention the 7 year famine that caused them to go to Egypt in the first place. Among other things friend that happened in between Abraham and the Israelite exodus

And I dont see how it was ridiculous other than you leaving certain things that happened out. If one wanted to get to the bottom of it, thats what they would do.

 

[Everythingg]

Actually no, I haven't read y'all convo.

But I have seen y'all argue in the past, and seen how hard headed you can be.


You're displaying those same characteristics in here with me. So it makes sense that He & I acknowledge your stubbornness.

Yea. You just picked a post out meant for him and responded to it. And then skipped over the convo that me and him were having to respond to my posts

Come on friend. You dont think God can read your heart?

Rock?

Yes.

You obviously adhere to some form of Hebrew Israelite theology. Perhaps not the UPK's brand, but you definitely hold to the belief that Deuteronomy 28:68 is specifically talking about the West African slave trade (it isn't ftr). Especially when you said:

Now where did I say that it was speaking of the West African slave trade? I didnt. But such as been done before, you're throwing arguments out there that I havent supported.


Oh and yes Africans are cursed. Some physically others spiritually. Look at their land. Look at whats going on there. Not only them, but people across all nations are being cursed for idolatry, witchcraft, among other things. South America. Mexico. All you have to do is look at their conditions then look at what they believe to see that most do not worship God Almighty, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.This isnt a blanket statement though. But one can read Deuteronomy 28 and see that MANY of the curses apply to Africa as well as other places in the world. If one believes that the God of Israeli is God over all creation like Moses thru the prophets suggest, then we could see why they're in the predicament they're in.

You feel it's your duty to defend others who subscribe to it, even if their doctrinal views differ from your own..

I've maintained the same position this whole time. If I have a group that follows the commandments of God vs. a group that doesnt follow the commandments because they believe it was "nailed to the cross" then the first group is in a better position.

Which explains why you're in here bashing Christians for following incorrect doctrines, while downplaying the severity of the ones the UPKers promote.

Which is why you need to stay outta threads like these and step your biblical knowledge up.

I havent downplayed anything friend. If I was, then I'd be making excuses for their clear misconceptions on the God of Abraham, and what was said to the prophets about foreigners among other ridiculous things I've read about their doctrines in this thread alone. Nonetheless Im not.

Step my biblical knowledge up? You're right friend. Because as much as I've read the bible, I still do not know everything there is to know in it. Do you friend? Are you done learning? If not, you can take your own advice as well

 

[Everythingg]

You forgot:​

God Almighty​

Cant forget to keep this Being first in all things I do. This should have been the first thing I posted in my last post to you. ​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Cant forget to keep this Being first in all things I do.

You can't because eisegesis is the exact opposite of a faithful reading of the biblical text.​

 

[Everythingg]

You can't​

So you say. But I say I can set God Almighty first in all I do.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

So you say. But I say I can set God Almighty first in all I do.​

Not using eisegesis and reading the text outside it's proper context.
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[Everythingg]

Not.....
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I dont need to do that if I have God with me now do I?​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I dont need to do that if I have God with me now do I?​

If 'God' was with you, you wouldn't need to use eisegesis or read the text out-of-context.​

 

[Everythingg]

If 'God' was with you​

Agreed.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Agreed.​

Then 'God' isn't with you.​

 

[Everythingg]

Then 'God' isn't with you.​

We'll let God Almighty be the judge of that my friend. Fair enough? ​