The Official Debunking Hebrew Israelites Thread

[Everythingg]

Nope.​

I didnt think so. Take care brethren and love your neighbor as yourself if you're not already doing so

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I didnt think

We've already acknowledged you have that problem. You need to rectify it.​

 

[Everythingg]

My main problem is making the kingdom of heaven

We've already acknowledged you have that problem. You need to rectify it.​

You're right we did. And God Almighty willing, it will be taken care of to my benefit. Thanks for caring my brother. Take care

 

[Czar]

What about Rebekkah? What was she?

Aramean by citizenship, Nahorite by lineage.

Hence why Abraham told his servant to find Isaac a wife from among his relatives in Aram-Naharaim (Aram of two rivers, also known as Mesopotamia), in the city of Nahor (Genesis 24:2-10).

http://biblehub.com/text/genesis/24-10.htm

You've read Deuteronomy 28 right? You see how many curses apply to Africa? Not to mention the idolatry that goes on there.

I should've been more specific when I said Africans. Do you accept that God hates ALL Hamites, whether they worship him or not? Do you believe he's going to destroy every last one of them?

Cause that's one of the UPKer's core beliefs.

And do you also believe Hamites aren't actually "black people"? Cause again, that's another UPK doctrine.

No. Its says that God made everything for its own purpose. Even the wicked for a day of disaster.

Nowhere is Proverbs 16:4 does it say disaster.

http://biblehub.com/text/proverbs/16-4.htm

Do you even know what the Hebrew words for disaster even are?

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1943.htm
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/6365.htm
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/343.htm
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5235b.htm


Btw.... last time I checked, Proverbs is NOT in the Law and Prophets, which you hold as authoritative.

I'm not saying I reject Proverbs at all.. I'm simply pointing out your contradictions.

Isaiah 55 doesnt change the fact that the wicked was made for disaster. Otherwise why does Satan exist? Why was he created when God knew what would happen ahead of time if we believe the prophet Jeremiah?

Because we are given a choice. Choose life, or choose death.

Was that not the same choice he gave Adam and Eve in the garden?

As for Satan...

Ezekiel 28:11-19

11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:

“You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.

17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.

18 “You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
Therefore I brought fire from your midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you to ashes upon the earth
In the sight of all who saw you.
19 All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you;
You have become a horror,
And shall be no more forever.”’”

While those words were spoken to the King of Tyre, they were directed at the one guiding him.

Wisdom 11 is the word of man just as Songs of Solomon or Proverbs. That doesnt mean that there arent things we can take away from it, but it is not authoritative. For instance it says that God doesnt despise anything because if it was so, God would not have made it. Well what about Genesis 6:6 where God regretted man? Or Proverbs 12 saying God hates liars?

Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm sure @Dafunkdoc_Unlimited will agree with me.

Why did God say he regretted making man? Was it because mankind was made inherently evil? Or because they became evil and were disobeying God? (Genesis 6:5)


As for scripture being the words of man.

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

2 Peter 1:21

For no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

But I'm sure you'll reject those cause they came out of the New Testament.

Well theres this in Malachi

Malachi 4:5
5 “See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes


Matthew 11:14
"And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.

Then there is the disciples asking Jesus a dumb question if reincarnation isnt real...

It's becoming clearer and clearer that you're still a baby when it comes to scripture.

I'ma let this video explain better than I can (otherwise this message is going to creep into tl;dr territory)



These brothers from GOCC are also former members of the Old UPK. While I do not subscribe or agree with the vast majority of the things they teach (because they are blatantly wrong), I gotta give em credit for this one vid. They did a good job at exposing the false reincarnation doctrine UPKers push.

Watch the whole thing.

John 9:1-2***

As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

So how could a man born blind, have sinned if reincarnation is not real? Wouldn't this be a dumb question?

***Read one verse over.

In fact.

John 9:3-7

"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him".

Jesus answered, “It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world.”

When He had said this, He spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and applied the clay to his eyes, and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which is translated, Sent).

So he went away and washed, and came back seeing.

You Clearly have no idea what you're talking about at this point.

Not necessarily my friend. But you're correct. God's word does not lie. Now how men INTERPRET God's word, that can be filled with lies and/or misinterpretations.

Which is exactly what you've been doing. Misinterpreting scripture.

Nah I didnt. I only said that because thats what I've seen since I've been here. Heck, in one instance, you brought it up when I said some hypothesize that those in Israel are not descendants of Jacob. No harm no foul though. With billions of christians following incorrect doctrines, I would have thought that would be of greater importance than the Hebrew Israelites which is why I originally asked

Are you talking about our back in forth in the world's oldest rock thread?

As I said before, I've gone in on false Catholic (and even some Protestant) teachings on SOHH and will do the same here. Right now I'm dealing with something I was once ignorantly a part of.

This thread was also a challenge to those who subscribe to these false doctrines.

 

[Czar]

We've already acknowledged you have that problem. You need to rectify it.​

@King-Over-Kingz has good intentions, but he can be really stubborn at times. Especially when proven wrong.

Dude really tried to argue with me about reincarnation being in the bible.

He even tried to pass John 9:1-2 off as "proof"

 

[Everythingg]

I should've been more specific when I said Africans. Do you accept that God hates ALL Hamites, whether they worship him or not? Do you believe he's going to destroy every last one of them?

Cause that's one of the UPKer's core beliefs.

And do you also believe Hamites aren't actually "black people"? Cause again, that's another UPK doctrine.

Nope. I dont believe that. And for the second time, I never said the Hebrew Israelites had EVERYTHING right.

Nowhere is Proverbs 16:4 does it say disaster.

http://biblehub.com/text/proverbs/16-4.htm

Do you even know what the Hebrew words for disaster even are?

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1943.htm
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/6365.htm
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/343.htm
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5235b.htm


Btw.... last time I checked, Proverbs is NOT in the Law and Prophets, which you hold as authoritative.

I'm not saying I reject Proverbs at all.. I'm simply pointing out your contradictions.

Just to reiterate, proverbs is not authoritative. Why do I say that? Because where does God speak throughout proverbs? He doesnt. Its just Solomon (or Josiah, or simply the author that wrote it) giving advice. Nothing wrong with that. But his father David said not to put your trust in men. If thats not enough Isaiah said it as well. Thats all. Lets say there is a verse from Paul that contradicts the word of God. Do I go along with Paul or go along with the words God spoke? I think you know the answer. Thats my point when saying Proverbs, Psalms, etc... are not authoritative.

Now to what you said, it still doesnt change my stance. It clearly says EVERYTHING was made for its own PURPOSE. Even the wicked for a day of evil. Now a "day of evil" could refer to a day where things simply go wrong, but also their destruction. You know, like the day of the Almighty that is on the way that was prophesied by the prophets?

Because we are given a choice. Choose life, or choose death.

Was that not the same choice he gave Adam and Eve in the garden?

As for Satan...

Ezekiel 28:11-19


While those words were spoken to the King of Tyre, they were directed at the one guiding him.

You're not answering my friend. The prophet Jeremiah states that God Almighty knew what Jeremiah would be even before he was formed in the womb. So was Jeremiah not made to be a prophet who would eventually be saved? Of course. Now you may believe this was a special case but I dont since Isaiah states that God makes known the end from the beginnning. So how can God Almighty know the end if there werent some that were made for destruction and life? Do we know (as humans) which is which? Nope which is why its still choice for US. But God knows unless Isaiah and Jeremiah were lying/misinformed.

Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm sure @Dafunkdoc_Unlimited will agree with me.

Why did God say he regretted making man? Was it because mankind was inherently evil? Or because they had chosen to do evil as opposed to good?

And were they all evil? Or was there one who found favor with God?

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/genesis/6-9.htm

Doesnt matter the reason. What wisdom 11 said was that God does not despise anything that God has made because It wouldnt have made it if that was the case. Well, that contradicts verses in proverbs, pslams and other places Im forgetting at the moment that say God hates this and that. So it doesnt matter the REASON when we're discussing what wisdom 11 says which is ABSOLUTELY incorrect.

As for scripture being the words of man.

2 Timothy 3:16


2 Peter 1:21


But I'm sure you'll reject those cause they came out of the New Testament.

Actually I would not reject those and I dont blindly reject the NT. Paul, Peter, James, etc.. say things that I follow to this day. And utmost (from the NT at least) Jesus christ. But the question is whats "scripture"? Because Paul wasnt referring to the NT when he wrote that

It's becoming clearer and clearer that you're still a baby when it comes to scripture.

I'ma let this video explain better than I can (otherwise this message is going to creep into tl;dr territory)



These brothers from GOCC are also former members of the Old UPK. While I don't subscribe to most of their teachings, they are spot on about this one.

Watch the whole thing.






***Read one verse over.

In fact.

John 9:3-7


You Clearly have no idea what you're talking about at this point.

Im not watching that my brethren. I dont care if reincarnation is real or not. You can choose to address my post or not. Thats fine but just quickly

1. Its clear Jesus thought John the Baptist was Elijah.

2. God Almighty says to the prophet Malachi, that he would send Elijah AGAIN...

3. I did not say that John 9 is about reincarnation. What I did say is that the question asked is a dumb question if they do not believe in reincarnation. Why would they ask if a man BORN BLIND had sinned to be born BLIND? Does that even make sense? Nope. That is, unless they thought he could have had a past life...

You didnt address any of that and want me to watch a 55 minute video about a doctrine I could care less if it exists or not. I'll pass respectfully

Which is exactly what you've been doing. Misinterpreting scripture.

While I have misinterpreted in the past, and there are definitely things that are currently out the realm of my understanding, theres nothing here Im misinterpreting.

Are you talking about our back in forth in the world's oldest rock thread?

Many Christians follow incorrect doctrines, but so do many "Hebrew Israelites".

As I said before, I've gone in on false Catholic (and Protestant) teachings on SOHH and will do the same here. Right now I'm dealing with something I was once ignorantly a part of.

This thread was also a challenge to those who subscribe to these false doctrines.

I dont remember the thread exactly but that was probably it.

And all I pointed out was there are billions of Christians following false doctrines, while the Hebrew Israelites are what 20 million (and even that might be generous)? And these are people that believe in following the commandments of the God of Abraham. Now tell me, which one of the things we are CURRENTLY discussing, is PERTINENT for salvation? NONE OF IT. But I could go thru things that christians believe that are pertinent to their salvation to the extent that if they die without repenting, and God Almighty doesnt forgive them anyways, that they could suffer because of it. I would think THAT would be of greater importance but hey do you friend.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

@King-Over-Kingz has good intentions, but he can be really stubborn at times. Especially when proven wrong.

Dude really tried to argue with me about reincarnation being in the bible.

He even tried to pass John 9:1-2 off as "proof"

Dude doesn't understand what 'out-of-context' means ........and I don't mean reading the entire chapter/book.

That's why ALL of his interpretations are critically flawed to the point of being false.
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[Everythingg]

@King-Over-Kingz has good intentions, but he can be really stubborn at times. Especially when proven wrong.

Let me give you an example of why I dont accept things from certain people so easily. Who is the savior?

Dude really tried to argue with me about reincarnation being in the bible.

And it is. Malachi 4 explains it. As does Jesus believing that John the Baptist was Elijah. Not that I care whether or not reincarnation is really real. Just that I know there is merit to it especially from my personal experience that I will leave out.

He even tried to pass John 9:1-2 off as "proof"

No I didnt but here you are following the ways of the guy you quoted. What I did say was why would they ask the question if a man sinned to be BORN BLIND, unless that man had a past life? If they didnt think it was possible for that man to have a past life, why wouldnt they ask "did this mans parents sin for him to be born blind?" But of course they included the man in the question showing that either it was a ridiculous question, or that they believed the man could have had a past life in which he sinned, causing his next life to have been as a blind man.

 

[Everythingg]

Dude doesn't understand what 'out-of-context' means ........and I don't mean reading the entire chapter/book.

That's why ALL of his interpretations are critically flawed to the point of being false.
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You already took your L, why not just leave? lol. I say this because you could have explained what it was that I took "out of context" by saying that the law is the 10 commandments and the first 5 books of the bible. But you didnt. You went on this "I know what Im talking about and you dont" spiel without explaining yourself. Thats fine, you dont have what I need for salvation anyways....

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

You already took your L

You have NO idea what you're talking about. You think you do, which I find funny, but the fact of the matter is you're completely wrong.

I told you I'm not discussing this with you because you're not informed enough about Ancient Near East culture and are taking the entire Bible out-of-context.

Every single post of yours proves that and I don't have the patience to educate you.​

 

[Everythingg]

You have NO idea what you're talking about. You think you do, which I find funny, but the fact of the matter is you're completely wrong.

I told you I'm not discussing this with you because you're not informed enough about Ancient Near East culture and are taking the entire Bible out-of-context.​

Oh you dont have to discuss with me because as I said, whatever you're offering is not going to help my salvation. But just for kicks, the reader can go to page 11 post 157 and see where I ask you for clarification on whatever point you're trying to make. Then 2 posts later, you start cutting up posts as if I didnt.

All is well though my brethren. Keep on with yourself. I'll keep on with finding a way to avoid the destruction that is headed for this country.

EDIT: "Every single post of yours proves that and I don't have the patience to educate you."

Thats fine friend. I think my God can educate me just fine. Keep your 2 cents to yourself

 

[Czar]

You already took your L

Lol is this guy full of irony or what?

Listen breh, you say alot of good things, but it's clear as day that you're clueless about other stuff. Especially what we were discussing.

A man needs to learn when to humble himself and search the scriptures instead of continuing in a fruitless debate.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Oh you dont have to discuss with me because as I said, whatever you're offering is not going to help my salvation.

I don't offer 'salvation' since I have no idea what that even means. What I do know is that your interpretations suffer due to reading the text totally out-of-context and eisegesis.

Paul didn't have those issues.
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[Everythingg]

I don't offer 'salvation'​

Exactly lol... Take care

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Exactly

Neither do you.


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