The Official Debunking Hebrew Israelites Thread

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Oh really? So if I make another thread with the terms I laid out for our 'debate', you're going to take them? Obviously you can't and won't because you don't want to reveal you're a white person pretending to be Black online.:mjlol:

Nope.

We're gonna debate right here, on the condition that you stop running and start standing behind these false doctrines you believe in.

Any teachings should be debunked BY YOU. All you're doing is making random statements and not proving anything. What you do provide as 'proof' is videos by others and you still don't even explain it to the people. Admit you don't know shyt about the Bible devil.

Fair enough. We can run through each doctrine one by one starting tonight. That'll give you enough time to gather up your rebuttals.. I'll even give you a heads up on the 1st topic of debate.

Job was an Edomite.
 

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Fair enough. We can run through each doctrine one by one starting tonight. That'll give you enough time to gather up your rebuttals.. I'll even give you a heads up on the 1st topic of debate.
Job was an Edomite.

You're about to post in vain. I'm not going to dispute a single topic. Make a video about it, or shut the fukk up.
 

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Whats esaus blessing @Czar? His blessing is the sword & the fatness of the earth. Who controls and dwells everywhere in the earth. Who makes & provides the weaponry of the earth. So called white man is the answer. Debunk that you devil
 

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Whats esaus blessing @Czar? His blessing is the sword & the fatness of the earth. Who controls and dwells everywhere in the earth. Who makes & provides the weaponry of the earth. So called white man is the answer. Debunk that you devil

:mjlol:That was your big comeback?

1st off, the Edomites were a people of color. We know this cause Esau was the same complexion as Adam, David & Solomon. Not to mention his wives were Hamites and Ishmaelites (Genesis 26:34, 28:9, 36:2-3).

Notice how you conveniently left out the rest of Genesis 27:40?

You will live by the sword and you will serve your brother. But when you grow restless, you will throw his yoke from off your neck."

The Edomites were made servants of Jacob's descendants twice.

1st by the Kingdom of Israel

2 Samuel 8:14
He also put garrisons in Edom; throughout all Edom he put garrisons, and all the Edomites became David’s servants. And the Lord preserved David wherever he went.


And again by the Kingdom of Judah.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/josephus/complete.ii.xiv.ix.html
Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.


Edom subsequently threw off the yoke both times. 1st when Israel and Judah split, leaving Edom under control of Judah. (2 Kings 8:20, 2 Chronicles 21:8,)


And again during the civil war in Judea.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodian_dynasty


But let's continue tearing down this conspiracy theory you're parroting...


So if Esau was supposedly the first "white person" (according to UPKers) it makes no sense that his descendants would be white, since there were no other white people for him to procreate with. Leaving him with strictly women of color to marry & father children with, which is exactly what he did. That alone would've diluted any "whiteness" from his line IF one illogical assume he was white.

Furthermore, a simple look at where the Greeks (Javan) and Romans (Kittim) came from completely shuts that theory down.

But you're more than welcome to use the edom/duke theory, so I can show you where Israelites were also called dukes in the bible.

We can also debunk the twisting of Romans 9:13 (which quotes Malachi 1:2-3) by reading verses 14-33. And before you start quoting all the other prophecies against Edom, one must remember that context is key. The Edomites attacked the Hebrews in the Old Testament on many occasions. (2 Chronicles 20:1-27, Psalm 137:7, Ezekiel 25:12-13, 35:5 etc)

As for nations controlling others and having power...

Acts 17:26
And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings

You should try reading your bible more.
 
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This is ABC stuff, but I'm honestly dealing with ABC brothers here.

You cannot make an Edom-Rome or Edom-America connection, considering Deuteronomy 28:36 & 49 states that a nation swift as an eagle would come against Israel. One who's language they would not understand and that they nor their forefathers had known.

They and their forefathers KNEW the Edomites and understood their language. Esau was Jacob's twin brother.

Still not convinced?

Israel mentioned the Edomites during their song in Exodus 15:15. They asked the king of Edom for permission to pass through his country in Numbers 20:14. The Edomites are mentioned two times in the same book (Deuteronomy 2:3-9, 23:7) BEFORE the curses in chapter 28!


@Disciple of the Projects @Sambow

Don't forget to quote the Targum Pseudo-Jonathan or Talmud so I can cut those ASAP.
 

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Why do you put so much energy in "debunking" the Hebrew Israelites when they're MUCH closer to the truth than your christian brethren?
 

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Because they're not closer to the truth.

Anybody that doesnt ignore God's commands because of a "sacrifice" is closer to the truth than those that ignore God's commands because of said "sacrifice"

Which brings me to this question, what do YOU consider the "truth"?

What God Almighty says. What about you?
 

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List God's commands for me. I'm going to prove a point.

10 commandments and the first 5 books of the bible.

Whats your point my friend?

The same.

Which is why this thread was created.

I've seen Paul's words in here lol. Nonetheless someone that believes in the God of Abraham, and follows this God's commandments IS closer to the truth than one that believes in Jesus and DOES NOT follow the God of Abraham's commandments. So where are your threads about christians that do this? Just wondering
 

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It is frequently pointed out that the term "the Law" had many different meanings at the time of Jesus:

  • The ceremonial laws including "clean" and "unclean" lists, sacrifices, dietary restrictions, ritual washings, etc.
  • The civil law regulating social behavior and specifying crimes, punishments and other rules
  • The moral and ethical laws, such as the Ten Commandments
  • The Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible)
  • The scribal law - the 600+ rules formulated by the scribes that everyone was expected to obey
  • The Scripture as a whole
 

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10 commandments and the first 5 books of the bible.

Whats your point my friend?

That these brothers are dead wrong in most of what they're teaching.

Did you even bother reading my OP?

This thread is dedicated to debunking the false doctrines of the "Hebrew Israelites". Specifically those who adhere to the old teachings of the Israeli School(Church) of Universal Practical Knowledge, which was located on 1 West 125th St in Harlem.

For example...

Do you believe there is no such thing as a fallen angel named Satan? That any reference to Satan or the Devil is actually talking about the so called white man?

Do you subscribed to the belief that the so-called white man is Esau/Edomites?

Does God hate Africans?

Do you believe The Most High creates beings for the sole purpose of hating or destroying them? That they have no hope of receiving salvation through him?

Is God's elect only comprised of natural born Israelites? Or can gentile strangers who seek him join his elect?

Do you believe rape is going to be permissible in the Most High's kingdom?

Do you believe in reincarnation?


Cause those are just some of the many false beliefs these different camps promote.


I've seen Paul's words in here lol. Nonetheless someone that believes in the God of Abraham, and follows this God's commandments IS closer to the truth than one that believes in Jesus and DOES NOT follow the God of Abraham's commandments. So where are your threads about christians that do this? Just wondering

You do realize the brothers I'm addressing ALSO accept Paul's words as truth?
 

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It is frequently pointed out that the term "the Law" had many different meanings at the time of Jesus:

  • The ceremonial laws including "clean" and "unclean" lists, sacrifices, dietary restrictions, ritual washings, etc.
  • The civil law regulating social behavior and specifying crimes, punishments and other rules
  • The moral and ethical laws, such as the Ten Commandments
  • The Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible)
  • The scribal law - the 600+ rules formulated by the scribes that everyone was expected to obey
  • The Scripture as a whole

In other words, the ten commandments and first 5 books like I said lol
 
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