Then it absolutely won't matter.
There's no proficiency test, they just make sure you hit paper 3 times.
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Then it absolutely won't matter.
There's no proficiency test, they just make sure you hit paper 3 times.
Womb Raider
movin' thru the city streets
My nikka. I’m finna apply for my license now and stock up soonite i expanded on one of my old posts in this thread and added a few quick thoughts, also took some price info from another board i'm on. i tried to keep it to only inexpensive guns which i've shot personally, any suggestions or edits are welcome as i want this to be a collaborative work. the formatting is pretty ass and it could definitely use some more pics haha.
The Coli Buyer's Guide - Home and Personal Defense on a Budget
Contributions by NatiboyB, Stir Fry and Wildin
As a gun owner, you have a responsibility to shoot a gun before you buy it. To get the fit, to get the feel, to see if you can overcome the recoil, etc. Guns are like shoes, and people's hands are like feet. Different sizes, shapes, bends, etc. Just like some people can't rock Chuck Taylors or some Nikes or Adidas cause they have flat feet, wide feet, high arches etc., guns are exactly the same. You can't buy guns off looks alone. You really have to analyze what you need and what's good for you. Try to go to a local gun store and see how some options feel in your hand, then find a range that rents out guns and try out the ones you thought felt nice.
RIFLES
Unless you live in a slave state, buy an AR-15 in 5.56 NATO/.223 Rem.
+ Ammo is reasonably priced
+ Parts are common
+ Reliable magazines like the PMAG M2/M3 and USGI are affordable
+ Knowledge on how to maintain and modify them is widespread
+ Easiest to use gun for women, children, the elderly, or the disabled
+/- Some models, usually marked as "optics ready," don't come with sights
+/- If you need sights the MBUS is a good option that often goes on sale for $50 a pair, Vortex and Primary Arms make cheap red dots
Palmetto State Armory PA-15 - $350-450
+ Cheap, works well enough
+ Pick whatever mid length rifle you like best
+ You can save more money by buying the upper and lower separately
+/- You can save even more money by building the lower, the only uncommon tools you need are a set of punches and a $10 castle nut wrench
- Building the upper isn't worth it for a first time owner since you need several uncommon and expensive tools
Smith & Wesson M&P15 / Ruger AR-556 - $450-550
+ Better fit and finish and quality control than PSA
+ Easier to customize the upper, PSA goes out of their way to make their uppers hard to modify
- Generally a little overpriced
.22 LR semi-auto:
+ Large capacity magazines are common and cheap
+ Ammo is the cheapest kind you can buy
- Ammo is the first thing to be hoarded during shortages, driving prices up
- Very underpowered for defensive purposes, but...
+ Most people don't like being shot
Marlin 795 - $150
Mossberg 702 - $150
Ruger 10/22 - $250
For slave states:
Ruger PC Carbine - 9mm - $500
+ Reliable, great backpack gun
+ Ammo is reasonably priced
+ Magpul is coming out with backpacker-style furniture soon
- Less powerful than an AR-15
+/- Uses pistol ammo, which you can't buy until you're 21
Savage Axis XP - .308 Win, also comes in .223 Rem - $300
+ Comes in a package with a scope
+ You can take the scope off and put a red dot on
+ .308 model is more powerful than an AR-15
- Bolt-action, not semi-auto so you'll need to practice to be able to fire rapidly
- Magazine only holds four rounds
- Magazines are expensive
PISTOLS
Nothing fancy, just a striker fired semi-auto 9mm or .380. There's plenty of good options that aren't on this list.
+ Ammo is reasonably priced
+ Okay for home defense, great for concealed carry
+ Easy manual of arms, you pull the trigger and it goes bang
- The smaller and lighter the gun, the harder it is to shoot well
- Need a holster to carry safely
+/- Have to be 21 to buy
+/- Some states require a license to own and/or or have severe restrictions on carrying
Hi-Point C9 - $150
Ruger LCP Gen 2, used (not the LCP II which has the same model number) - $175
Ruger EC9s - $250
Taurus G2C - $250
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield - $300
Beretta APX - $325
Ruger Security 9 - $350
Glock 17/19, used or factory rebuilt - $350-400
Smith & Wesson M&P9, used - $350-400
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield EZ, also comes in .380 ACP - $375
+ Great for women, the disabled, the elderly, or anyone who can't rack the slide or load the mag on other automatics
+/- Has a grip safety which some people don't like
REVOLVERS
+ Reliable
+ Often found used in good condition
+ .38 has manageable recoil
+ Can be carried without a holster
+ Easy for women to load and carry, but...
- Not so easy to shoot
- Only five rounds capacity
- Slow to reload
- Short barrel means lots of noise and muzzle flash
Ruger LCR - $350
Smith & Wesson 442 - $400
SHOTGUNS
If you can't get an AR-15 or a handgun, get a pump-action 12-gauge shotgun. When looking for shotguns, it pays to check local pawn shops and gun stores. Old hunting shotguns are sold off for the low to these stores who in turn flip them them at low prices. Big box retailers like Wal-Mart, Bass Pro, Cabela's, Scheels and Academy also sell a wide variety of shotguns. In most areas, you can find quality shotguns for $200 or less easily.
+ Can change out the barrel for hunting or shooting sports
+ Powaful Impak!
- Needs more strength and skill to use than an AR-15
- Low ammo capacity
- Buckshot and slugs are expensive, defensive ammo is very expensive
- Ammo is bulky
Mossberg Maverick 88 Security - $200
Mossberg 500 - $350
Remington 870, used and made before 2007 - $350
Midland Arms Backpack - $150
+/- Only buy if you're on a super tight budget, this is the cheapest gun I can recommend in good conscience
+ Extremely light, fits in a backpack
- Only holds a single round at a time, will need to practice reloads especially under high stress situations
GUNS TO AVOID
- Saturday night specials - Bryco, Cobra, Davis, Jennings, Jimenez, Lorcin, Phoenix, Raven, Republic, RG, Rohm, Sedco, Standard, Sundance, Talon - low quality and dangerous, banned in some states
- Magazine-fed shotguns - at these price points you won't be able to find one that works well
- USA-made AK-47s - same
- Remington 870s made after 2007 - poor quality control after Remington changed ownership
- Military surplus like the Mosin or SKS - prices have risen a lot, ammo is getting harder to find, available guns are in poor condition
- Cheap Turkish shotguns
AMMO
Rifles - FMJ is cheaper but has worse terminal effects and can overpenetrate. If you're buying for defense, consider hollow points or bonded soft points, but they're quite expensive and you need to test it out to make sure it feels reliably. 5.56 NATO ammo can't be safely fired in a rifle marked .223 Rem, but a 5.56 marked rifle can fire both types.
Pistols - FMJ is fine for training. Quality defensive ammo like Federal HST or Speer Gold Dot is expensive, but well worth it. Try to get the 50 round law enforcement boxes, not the 20 round civilian boxes. It's the same product, just much less expensive. Make sure to test out a box or two before carrying it.
Shotguns - Buy #00 or #1 buckshot for defense. Some ranges, especially indoor ones will only let you shoot slugs. Avoid birdshot unless you're planning on being attacked by tiny birds.
OTHER THINGS YOU'LL NEED
- Cleaning supplies - a brush, a jag, a rod, patches, solvents, oils, etc. You can get cheap kits at Wal-Mart or most sporting goods stores. The minimum I'd go with is a rod and jag, a bottle of CLP or Ballistol, and some old cut up cotton shirts.
- Safety glasses
- Ear protection - Avoid foam earplugs. Howard Leight Impact Sports are a nice budget choice and are much comfier.
- Holster for a pistol. Avoid one size fits all cloth holsters.
- Consider a flashlight for a home defense gun, and maybe a mount if it's a long gun. Avoid cheap Chinese lights, the TLR-1 HL is a good option. Just like with guns, you really get what you pay for here and a lot of budget lights can't hold up to the stresses of gunfire.
- Training - the NRA has a site for the basics of firearm handling, the USCCA offers classes, and some academies have free courses on YouTube. Project Appleseed is a great way to get marksmanship training.
- A safe if you have children. Small safes, like the ones with a biometric reader are useless against thieves or determined teenagers but will keep a young child out. There's a great buyer's guide here.
WHERE TO BUY
To buy a gun online, you need to visit a local store ("FFL") and ask them to send a copy of their license to the store you're buying from. The FFL will do a background check on you and charge you for the transfer, $15-25 is typical in most areas. Highly restricted areas like NY/CA will have higher fees, and in some places like DC, the only FFL is the police department.
- gun.deals is a free search tool where stores can submit prices for guns they carry. It can also be used for accessories, parts, medical gear, etc. and comes with an alert tool that can email you when something you're looking for falls below a certain price. A lot of stores that buy listings here don't actually carry inventory though, they just drop ship from their distributor.
- AmmoSeek is a free search tool that crawls the Internet for the best prices on ammo. Watch out for the listings all the way at the top, these stores usually charge a lot for shipping. Ammo is almost always going to be cheaper at a local gun store since they won't charge you for shipping.
- GunBroker is the eBay of guns, be sure to check here for what you want before you buy it elsewhere.
was it you that posted that vid of doing dry fire drills earlier? more vids like that would be dope.
Yo I'm thinking about putting in the deposit on one these mfs
Anyone have any experience on know someone with the ghost gunner 3?
Anyone have any experience on know someone with the ghost gunner 3?
What is that, is that one of them 3d printers?Yo I'm thinking about putting in the deposit on one these mfs
Anyone have any experience on know someone with the ghost gunner 3?
I just learned of it. Apparently it is a mini cnc mill that will mill 80 lower receivers for building guns. My understanding is that it comes with software that would run a program to mill the part to spec automatically. It can do ar15/10 receivers and 1911 frames. It's like $2k
It's made by that same company that put out the 3d gun design
Ghost Gunner 3 Deposit - Ghost Gunner
Lord_nikon
Veteran
They just raided polymer 80
Feds raid 'ghost gun' maker whose products they say are linked to 'hundreds of crimes' - CNN
Feds raid 'ghost gun' maker whose products they say are linked to 'hundreds of crimes' - CNN
Damn, today no less
BillyBamDontGiveADamn
Too old for the shenanigans
Signs of whats to come...cacs in academy sports and outdoors bragging about having a lifetime supply of ammunition...talking bout they ready for the second civil war
Hijo de luna
Superstar
As much as I like building and tinkering with shyt, I don't see the appeal of P80. They cost more than a glock, can be janky if not milled correctly, can't can't carry them(unless you have it serialized which defeats the purpose). Plus there's a 99% chance they will be banned during Biden's administration.They just raided polymer 80
Feds raid 'ghost gun' maker whose products they say are linked to 'hundreds of crimes' - CNN
Remy LeBreh
Linconia
Finally got my CC app in , but NY is baaaaaacked up
Skipped the ccw class, because it's 12 hours and i just could give up a whole saturday doing that shyt.
Found out though you can apply online for a non resident virginia license which allows you to carry in 27 states include mine. only takes 45 minutes. recommend this for people wanting a ccw without the hassle.
but gonna investigate more to make sure this is true.
Found out though you can apply online for a non resident virginia license which allows you to carry in 27 states include mine. only takes 45 minutes. recommend this for people wanting a ccw without the hassle.
but gonna investigate more to make sure this is true.
See if your state allows you to do the classroom portion online. That’s what I did
Bunchy Carter
I'll Take The Money Over The Honey
Finally got my CC app in , but NY is baaaaaacked up
Your going to get a CC in NY?
Congrads
