Brehs in nj/ny watching all the brehs in gun freedom loving states enjoy SBRs, SBS, machines guns and supressers
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Brehs in nj/ny watching all the brehs in gun freedom loving states enjoy SBRs, SBS, machines guns and supressers
Hijo de luna
Superstar
I'd be cautious buying a "system".
Even the be I have I tell people not to buy. Don't get me wrong its cool. But you can buy the laser training bullets on eBay or Amazon for cheap. In the area of $30 or more with shipping in any caliber.
Then really all you need is a camera tripod with a phone mount. About $15 give or take on eBay.
Once you have that you can buy an app that's already set up for dry fire lasers. The one I have is free I think..and 1.99 or 4.99 for the advanced features which are shyt and don't work. There's a few other apps that are good and cost 1.99-5.99 but let you point and shoot for free.
So suppose you buy 2 laser training bullets in different calibers TARYAG Dry-Fire Laser Training Bullet for Most Pistol Calibers | eBay
9mm and 40 together are about $65 free shipping.
$15 for a tripod which has more practical use than any stand a system is going to sell/build
Plus any payment for an app
We are looking at $85 total.
And you can print targets online for free.
They have a glock 19 pellet gun for $60 that has greal reviews. Of course the local store has the gun and the bbs but no fukking co2, which is why I don't even want to go down this road.
I just got one of those $40 laser trainer cartridges off Amazon. The cheaper ones are so off centered that it kinda turned me off. But the more I practice and just worry about getting a consistent grouping the more I like it. The free verson G-sight app is easy to use and set up. I have a pretty bad flinch that comes and goes when shooting live rounds. I have to figure out what exercises I can do at home to correct this. But overall, using this basic laser setup makes dry firing a little more interesting.
I just got one of those $40 laser trainer cartridges off Amazon. The cheaper ones are so off centered that it kinda turned me off. But the more I practice and just worry about getting a consistent grouping the more I like it. The free verson G-sight app is easy to use and set up. I have a pretty bad flinch that comes and goes when shooting live rounds. I have to figure out what exercises I can do at home to correct this. But overall, using this basic laser setup makes dry firing a little more interesting.
There's times I don't even use the app. I might just put in the laser and sit on the couch and aim at the light switch.
I mainly practice shooting with both eyes open and trigger control (making sure I'm not pulling or pushing the muzzle when firing).
As far as flinching only thing I know of that can combat that is an air rifle. Because they have the sound of firing and the recoil (after the rifle gets broken in its not nearly as loud) but you can shoot that in your house or backyard. After a while you just get used to it and it doesn't affect you.
Ezekiel 25:17
Veteran
I was looking at black major cities and it seems like all of em are strong gun control. There's Texas and Georgia which seem good, but everywhere else it's harder.
I wish we could suppressors.
Ezekiel 25:17
Veteran
What state are you in? That will ultimately determine if you can even carry. States like Maryland it's over with.
I could be wrong but I really feel like these dont help. Getting back on target after a live round recoil is what tests real accuracy. As far as your trigger flinch, I think practicing at the range and focusing on your trigger break and reset is the best way to combat that. Just go through a box or two focusing on trigger control and hand placement. Most times i feel like people could shoot 30% better just by having proper or just better grip. test diff shooting grips out as well.I just got one of those $40 laser trainer cartridges off Amazon. The cheaper ones are so off centered that it kinda turned me off. But the more I practice and just worry about getting a consistent grouping the more I like it. The free verson G-sight app is easy to use and set up. I have a pretty bad flinch that comes and goes when shooting live rounds. I have to figure out what exercises I can do at home to correct this. But overall, using this basic laser setup makes dry firing a little more interesting.
Sig P365
I think CZ sights are always zeroed at 25yrds if that helps.I can't wrapped my head around zeroing the RDS independently of the irons. This optic sits so low that supressor height sights aren't needed so point off aim=point of impact. I have the dot married to the sights for now.
I guess I'll see when I get out to the range and see where it hits at 15, 25 yards.
I'm in Ohio.
I'm in ohio too. We don't need a license to own guns over here. Just a background check. I walked into a store and left with an AK with no license.
You can also open carry outdoors without a license. meaning you can get a gun and walk around like clint eastwood all for nothing more than a single background check.
To conceal carry though, you have to get a ccw permit. I haven't don't that myself yet.
Ah shyt. Yall damn near aint got no rules out there.
lord canon
Pro
you can conceal carry in Maryland, you just have to know the system
Ah shyt. Yall damn near aint got no rules out there.
Thats why i love PA
They help a lot. The first shot is the one that counts the most. By focusing on your trigger control and grip the follow up shots are easier.
Plus you can practice other things like drawing and shooting. Once you get over basic things like drawing, proper grip, lining up the shot (both eyes open) and trigger control, over come things like limp wristing, shooting becomes a lot easier.
I was one of those dudes who spent hundreds of dollars in the range practicing with live ammo trying to overcome and master everything, and while I got good it wasn't until I started dry firing regularly and practicing different techniques that I became a really good shooter. I joined a shooting league three years in a row after I started dry firing and I fit right in with the cacs that grew up shooting cans and bottles in their back yard, military experience, cops, etc. But I was formerly that guy that paused between shots, had four shots in a good group and the other 6 were to the left, right, above and below...
Hijo de luna
Superstar
It's really the only way I can practice drawing speed and accuracy since the ranges I go to don't allow holsters. It definitely won't replace live firing but it's not a bad investment for $30-$40.
Is that a naked women in the pic or am i trippin?ite i expanded on one of my old posts in this thread and added a few quick thoughts, also took some price info from another board i'm on. i tried to keep it to only inexpensive guns which i've shot personally, any suggestions or edits are welcome as i want this to be a collaborative work. the formatting is pretty ass and it could definitely use some more pics haha.
The Coli Buyer's Guide - Home and Personal Defense on a Budget
Contributions by NatiboyB, Stir Fry and Wildin
As a gun owner, you have a responsibility to shoot a gun before you buy it. To get the fit, to get the feel, to see if you can overcome the recoil, etc. Guns are like shoes, and people's hands are like feet. Different sizes, shapes, bends, etc. Just like some people can't rock Chuck Taylors or some Nikes or Adidas cause they have flat feet, wide feet, high arches etc., guns are exactly the same. You can't buy guns off looks alone. You really have to analyze what you need and what's good for you. Try to go to a local gun store and see how some options feel in your hand, then find a range that rents out guns and try out the ones you thought felt nice.
RIFLES
Unless you live in a slave state, buy an AR-15 in 5.56 NATO/.223 Rem.
+ Ammo is reasonably priced
+ Parts are common
+ Reliable magazines like the PMAG M2/M3 and USGI are affordable
+ Knowledge on how to maintain and modify them is widespread
+ Easiest to use gun for women, children, the elderly, or the disabled
+/- Some models, usually marked as "optics ready," don't come with sights
+/- If you need sights the MBUS is a good option that often goes on sale for $50 a pair, Vortex and Primary Arms make cheap red dots
Palmetto State Armory PA-15 - $350-450
+ Cheap, works well enough
+ Pick whatever mid length rifle you like best
+ You can save more money by buying the upper and lower separately
+/- You can save even more money by building the lower, the only uncommon tools you need are a set of punches and a $10 castle nut wrench
- Building the upper isn't worth it for a first time owner since you need several uncommon and expensive tools
Smith & Wesson M&P15 / Ruger AR-556 - $450-550
+ Better fit and finish and quality control than PSA
+ Easier to customize the upper, PSA goes out of their way to make their uppers hard to modify
- Generally a little overpriced
.22 LR semi-auto:
+ Large capacity magazines are common and cheap
+ Ammo is the cheapest kind you can buy
- Ammo is the first thing to be hoarded during shortages, driving prices up
- Very underpowered for defensive purposes, but...
+ Most people don't like being shot
Marlin 795 - $150
Mossberg 702 - $150
Ruger 10/22 - $250
For slave states:
Ruger PC Carbine - 9mm - $500
+ Reliable, great backpack gun
+ Ammo is reasonably priced
+ Magpul is coming out with backpacker-style furniture soon
- Less powerful than an AR-15
+/- Uses pistol ammo, which you can't buy until you're 21
Savage Axis XP - .308 Win, also comes in .223 Rem - $300
+ Comes in a package with a scope
+ You can take the scope off and put a red dot on
+ .308 model is more powerful than an AR-15
- Bolt-action, not semi-auto so you'll need to practice to be able to fire rapidly
- Magazine only holds four rounds
- Magazines are expensive
PISTOLS
Nothing fancy, just a striker fired semi-auto 9mm or .380. There's plenty of good options that aren't on this list.
+ Ammo is reasonably priced
+ Okay for home defense, great for concealed carry
+ Easy manual of arms, you pull the trigger and it goes bang
- The smaller and lighter the gun, the harder it is to shoot well
- Need a holster to carry safely
+/- Have to be 21 to buy
+/- Some states require a license to own and/or or have severe restrictions on carrying
Hi-Point C9 - $150
Ruger LCP Gen 2, used (not the LCP II which has the same model number) - $175
Ruger EC9s - $250
Taurus G2C - $250
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield - $300
Beretta APX - $325
Ruger Security 9 - $350
Glock 17/19, used or factory rebuilt - $350-400
Smith & Wesson M&P9, used - $350-400
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield EZ, also comes in .380 ACP - $375
+ Great for women, the disabled, the elderly, or anyone who can't rack the slide or load the mag on other automatics
+/- Has a grip safety which some people don't like
REVOLVERS
+ Reliable
+ Often found used in good condition
+ .38 has manageable recoil
+ Can be carried without a holster
+ Easy for women to load and carry, but...
- Not so easy to shoot
- Only five rounds capacity
- Slow to reload
- Short barrel means lots of noise and muzzle flash
Ruger LCR - $350
Smith & Wesson 442 - $400
SHOTGUNS
If you can't get an AR-15 or a handgun, get a pump-action 12-gauge shotgun. When looking for shotguns, it pays to check local pawn shops and gun stores. Old hunting shotguns are sold off for the low to these stores who in turn flip them them at low prices. Big box retailers like Wal-Mart, Bass Pro, Cabela's, Scheels and Academy also sell a wide variety of shotguns. In most areas, you can find quality shotguns for $200 or less easily.
+ Can change out the barrel for hunting or shooting sports
+ Powaful Impak!
- Needs more strength and skill to use than an AR-15
- Low ammo capacity
- Buckshot and slugs are expensive, defensive ammo is very expensive
- Ammo is bulky
Mossberg Maverick 88 Security - $200
Mossberg 500 - $350
Remington 870, used and made before 2007 - $350
Midland Arms Backpack - $150
+/- Only buy if you're on a super tight budget, this is the cheapest gun I can recommend in good conscience
+ Extremely light, fits in a backpack
- Only holds a single round at a time, will need to practice reloads especially under high stress situations
GUNS TO AVOID
- Saturday night specials - Bryco, Cobra, Davis, Jennings, Jiminez, Lorcin, Phoenix, Raven, Republic, RG, Rohm, Sedco, Standard, Sundance, Talon - low quality and dangerous, banned in some states
- Magazine-fed shotguns - at these price points you won't be able to find one that works well
- USA-made AK-47s - same
- Remington 870s made after 2007 - poor quality control after Remington changed ownership
- Military surplus like the Mosin or SKS - prices have risen a lot, ammo is getting harder to find, available guns are in poor condition
- Cheap Turkish shotguns
AMMO
Rifles - FMJ is cheaper but has worse terminal effects and can overpenetrate. If you're buying for defense, consider hollow points or bonded soft points, but they're quite expensive and you need to test it out to make sure it feels reliably. 5.56 NATO ammo can't be safely fired in a rifle marked .223 Rem, but a 5.56 marked rifle can fire both types.
Pistols - FMJ is fine for training. Quality defensive ammo like Federal HST or Speer Gold Dot is expensive, but well worth it. Try to get the 50 round law enforcement boxes, not the 20 round civilian boxes. It's the same product, just much less expensive. Make sure to test out a box or two before carrying it.
Shotguns - Buy #00 or #1 buckshot for defense. Some ranges, especially indoor ones will only let you shoot slugs. Avoid birdshot unless you're planning on being attacked by tiny birds.
OTHER THINGS YOU'LL NEED
- Cleaning supplies - a brush, a jag, a rod, patches, solvents, oils, etc. You can get cheap kits at Wal-Mart or most sporting goods stores. The minimum I'd go with is a rod and jag, a bottle of CLP or Ballistol, and some old cut up cotton shirts.
- Safety glasses
- Ear protection - Avoid foam earplugs. Howard Leight Impact Sports are a nice budget choice and are much comfier.
- Holster for a pistol. Avoid one size fits all cloth holsters.
- Consider a flashlight for a home defense gun, and maybe a mount if it's a long gun. Avoid cheap Chinese lights, the TLR-1 HL is a good option. Just like with guns, you really get what you pay for here and a lot of budget lights can't hold up to the stresses of gunfire.
- Training - the NRA has a site for the basics of firearm handling, the USCCA offers classes, and some academies have free courses on YouTube. Project Appleseed is a great way to get marksmanship training.
- A safe if you have children. Small safes, like the ones with a biometric reader are useless against thieves or determined teenagers but will keep a young child out. There's a great buyer's guide here.
WHERE TO BUY
To buy a gun online, you need to visit a local store ("FFL") and ask them to send a copy of their license to the store you're buying from. The FFL will do a background check on you and charge you for the transfer, $15-25 is typical in most areas. Highly restricted areas like NY/CA will have higher fees, and in some places like DC, the only FFL is the police department.
- gun.deals is a free search tool where stores can submit prices for guns they carry. It can also be used for accessories, parts, medical gear, etc. and comes with an alert tool that can email you when something you're looking for falls below a certain price. A lot of stores that buy listings here don't actually carry inventory though, they just drop ship from their distributor.
- AmmoSeek is a free search tool that crawls the Internet for the best prices on ammo. Watch out for the listings all the way at the top, these stores usually charge a lot for shipping. Ammo is almost always going to be cheaper at a local gun store since they won't charge you for shipping.
- GunBroker is the eBay of guns, be sure to check here for what you want before you buy it elsewhere.
was it you that posted that vid of doing dry fire drills earlier? more vids like that would be dope.
