Thats what losing to Lomachenko does to these guys
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GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Disagree with this one. If Maidana couldn't do it, I don't think Matthysse does. I also think Maidana has proven to be better vs. top level competition. I don't think it is an easy fight, but I will take Broner in a close decision.
The axe murderer
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Best I Faced: Shane Mosley - The Ring
BEST I FACED: SHANE MOSLEY
BEST JAB
Vernon Forrest and Oscar De La Hoya:Oscar had a terrific jab, but when I fought Vernon, Vernon had a tremendous jab as well. It was hard for me to get past Vernon’s jab, but at the same time, Oscar had a really fast, snapping jab along with a good left hook.
So I had problems with both guys. Vernon had the height to go with it as well.
BEST DEFENSE
Winky Wright: Winky had, I think, the best defense back then. Floyd had good defense, but Winky caught me earlier in my career. I think that Winky was really good at catching and countering. He kept his hands up really high and I think that back then, he would have had the best defense. He was very, very good at catching and then touching you.
FASTEST HANDS
Floyd Mayweather Jr.: I would again have to say that’s Floyd. Floyd’s timing and his speed were very, very quick. He was able to get off the gun really quick. I felt like I was competing with him, but I would have to say that Floyd had the fastest hands of anyone that I’ve fought.
FASTEST FEET
Sergio Mora: That would have to be Sergio Mora. I was surprised at how well he moved. He got around the ring very well. Very fast feet. Moved good. He was a junior middleweight who was fighting me at that time, but I was still surprised at his footspeed.
BEST CHIN
Antonio Margarito: I would have to say that Margarito had the best chin. Even though I knocked him out, it took a long time of me hitting him on the button. Round after round, he stood up against some solid shots.
Even when I hit Floyd with one solid shot, he wobbled when I got the opportunity. Floyd had a good chin, but I would have to say that the guy with the best chin was Margarito. He stood up to Pacquiao’s punches as well as mine until I was able to break him down.
SMARTEST
Mayweather: He knows how to change up the fight and the tempo in the middle of the fight. He can go from one thing and one strategy to another very well. If you get one thing working, he can change up and make you have to do something else. He was probably the smartest.
STRONGEST
Fernando Vargas: The strongest guy that I fought, physically, was Fernando Vargas. He hit pretty hard but he was also very strong, physically. Winky Wright was strong, but Vargas was very, very physical in both fights.
BEST PUNCHER
Forrest and Manny Pacquiao: I think that the best puncher would have to be Vernon Forrest because back then I had a pretty good chin and I had never been dropped, and he was the first guy to drop me. His power is a little different than Pacquiao had. But those are the two guys who knocked me down, so those are the two guys that I would have to give it to.
I’m leaning more toward Vernon, because he had the heavier punches, whereas Pacquiao’s was more of a flash knockdown where I was dizzy.I don’t know if it was the injury that I had or the punching power that Pacquiao possesses. But I was never buzzed by anybody else like I was by those two guys.
BEST BOXER
Mayweather: That would probably have to be Floyd. It’s how he evades punches with a blend of his defense and his offense. He’s always on his toes and he’s always slipping and sliding.
BEST OVERALL:
Mayweather: That would have to be Floyd. He had everything. He had about three different categories where he was the best at. Floyd was the best overall fighter. The most speed, best defense and a good jab and good offense. I think that it’s also what he does with his movement and his angles.
To be fair, he caught me later in my career. But he puts everything together, offensively and defensively, and he has the movement.
i dont think its that simple of a comparison between maidana and lucas..i mean we can go on common opponents they have which is devon alexander...lucas gave devon trouble and even managed to drop him in a fight that should have went his way on the cards; maidana got badly washed by devon..no controversy there lol
reservoirdogs
Superstar
that's pre-Garcia Maidana though
drastic differences between the Garcia type Maidana and that version
drastic? i wouldnt call it that...garcia trained maidana still went damn near life and death with soto karass and josesito lopez
pre garcia maidana still won a title and still had several good wins at 140..he also wasn't on a slide of bad performances before the devon fight like devon was..the losses to kotelnik and khan were competitive as fukk
devon for whatever reason fought to his highest potential that night and whooped him....thats boxing
mosley vs mora
..that was a terrible fight..that was the fight where mosley started slipping
malbaker86
Gators
on the easy work talk lol
A couple of Broner left hooks to Matthysse's left eye, and he will quit again:abyoumad:
Yep
And #MatthysseMafia conveniently forgets that Broner has only lost to Marcos Maidana, Shawn Porter, and Mikey Garcia.........Matthysse has lost to a washed up Zab Judah and quit vs an unproven Viktor Postol. Matthysse is losing to lesser competition, so watching Broner lose to better fighters than even Matthysse is shouldn't give them any courage
Again, their only mutual opponent is John Molina. Broner easily outclassed Molina while Matthysse went life and death with him and had to climb off the canvas...twice...in order to defeat a fighter of that level
Yep
And #MatthysseMafia conveniently forgets that Broner has only lost to Marcos Maidana, Shawn Porter, and Mikey Garcia.........Matthysse has lost to a washed up Zab Judah and quit vs an unproven Viktor Postol. Matthysse is losing to lesser competition, so watching Broner lose to better fighters than even Matthysse is shouldn't give them any courage
Again, their only mutual opponent is John Molina. Broner easily outclassed Molina while Matthysse went life and death with him and had to climb off the canvas...twice...in order to defeat a fighter of that level
Despite whatever their record indicates, Lucas has, and always has had the power to stop Broner. Especially this post Maidana version of Broner, who is open to get hit. No doubt, AB's a better boxer, I just don't think he'd be able to take the power of Lucas.
Yep
And #MatthysseMafia conveniently forgets that Broner has only lost to Marcos Maidana, Shawn Porter, and Mikey Garcia.........Matthysse has lost to a washed up Zab Judah and quit vs an unproven Viktor Postol. Matthysse is losing to lesser competition, so watching Broner lose to better fighters than even Matthysse is shouldn't give them any courage
Again, their only mutual opponent is John Molina. Broner easily outclassed Molina while Matthysse went life and death with him and had to climb off the canvas...twice...in order to defeat a fighter of that level
They have 2 mutual opponents
...lucas put both of them away while broner struggled
Matthysse isn't good enough to beat Broner. That's just what it is breh.
Mikey couldn't even rock Broner once, Maidana dropped him twice in MX Gloves (but he got up and badly hurt Maidana), Porter couldn't rock him at all.......Matthysse gonna KO him?
Broner's chin is legit. Matthysse is not skilled enough to beat Broner, and he's not big enough to bully him either. He's below Broner and would lose.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
he steadily improved the Maidana who gave Floyd hell would fukk Alexander up, like c'mon...
They have 2 mutual opponents
I've still never heard, in the history of Boxing, that someone who allows his opponent to land a grand total of 54 punches, while landing 219 punches himself, struggled........except from you
How someone could watch Adrien Broner vs John Molina Jr and then watch Lucas Matthysse vs John Molina Jr......................................and then came away with "Broner is the one who struggled" still amuses me years later
