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[Ari Gold Bawse]

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[Black_Jesus]

Even with all the Xylocaine floyd hordes and all the memo/Ariza protein shakes Floyd could injest... He could never do something like that to Pacquiao himself

 

[Newzz]

The joke's not funny anymore, because Floyd hasnt proven that HE could do that to Manny Pacquiao and doesnt even wanna take the challenge.


Im not gonna say he's scared of Pacquiao, because I dont think he is, but I do believe he's scared of losing his "0" and is fighting more to protect that than anything.


I think if he had at least 1 loss on his record, he would've BEEN fought Manny Pacquiao

 

[GzUp]

I feel that floyd can beat manny but he still has to go do it, I hope he feels the same way.

In him posting those pics hes just trying to full the fans/people but hes not fulling me.

 

[TheNig]

Yeah... thats cool and all...


So go ahead make the fight Floyd.

 

[Newzz]

You know what else I find funny....Floyd stans quick to run to the "why we talking about PPV numbers" whenever Floyd puts Showtime in the red with these under 1 mill buys, but when Floyd brings up other people's PPV numbers, it's cool

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

Because he doesnt stan Floyd breh?


Are you aware that 3 of the BEST boxing journalists in the world (Dan Rafael, Steve Kim, and Doug Fischer) dont fukk with Floyd?


Hell, Fischer and Kim are barred by Mayweather from even attending his press conferences Greg Leon doesnt fukk with him either anymore, after exposing how Floyd was getting raped on a deal going bad and was gonna have to return to boxing, and Floyd stopped talking to him.


The ONLY people that ride hard for Floyd anymore is his stans, TMT, and Percy Crawford/Ben Thompson of fighthype...everybody else calls it like they see it, and Floyd doesnt like when people call him out on his bullshyt. Lettuce not forget how the convo between Floyd and R.A. The Rugged Man went when he asked Floyd why doesnt he fight Pacquiao


You dont even like Stephen "Breadman" Edwards because you think he "hates" on Floyd, when he's just saying the same thing everyone else does...Floyd is an ATG, but not THE GOAT and he missed alot of fights that could've built his resume up more.


Rick Glaser is a Floyd hater and so is Brian Kenny....but they also state their points factually and Floyd doesnt like it. Hell, he had a problem with Larry Merchant and Emmanuel Steward as well because they didnt like his style of fighting while calling himself the greatest

Its not that they don't fukk with Floyd that bothers me its that they as professional journalist actively hate on and pray for his down fall. It shows a lack of professionalism and a lack of integrity.
We as fans can sit here and say whatever the fukk we want but as paid journalist you should be held to a higher standard.

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

You know what else I find funny....Floyd stans quick to run to the "why we talking about PPV numbers" whenever Floyd puts Showtime in the red with these under 1 mill buys, but when Floyd brings up other people's PPV numbers, it's cool

He put showtime in the red? Let me guess you heard that from Dan Rafael and his sources? I guess its to much to ask for his sources to provide some sort of documented proof of this?

 

[Newzz]

Its not that they don't fukk with Floyd that bothers me its that they as professional journalist actively hate on and pray for his down fall. It shows a lack of professionalism and a lack of integrity.
We as fans can sit here and say whatever the fukk we want but as paid journalist you should be held to a higher standard.

Writers hated Muhammad Ali, Jack Johnson, Mike Tyson, etc. Floyd is not special or unique in this regard. Let's not forget that Muhammad Ali basically made Howard Cosell into a household name, because Cosell was always down playing Ali or calling him out


It's a part of boxing. Some writers love Floyd (Percy Crawford, Ben Thompson, Greg Leon at one point)....however, the "professionalism" and "integrity" comes into play when a reporter does NOT report important info just because they are "cool" with you like Floyd wants them to do. That's the whole reasoning of the fall out between G. Leon and Floyd. Leon reported some shyt that Floyd didnt want him too, and bam, the "friendship" is over because Leon chose his craft over their friendship.


Other writers dont and will NOT do that (Crawford and Thompson).

 

[seemorecizzy]

The joke's not funny anymore, because Floyd hasnt proven that HE could do that to Manny Pacquiao and doesnt even wanna take the challenge.


Im not gonna say he's scared of Pacquiao, because I dont think he is, but I do believe he's scared of losing his "0" and is fighting more to protect that than anything.


I think if he had at least 1 loss on his record, he would've BEEN fought Manny Pacquiao

Manny ran his mouth first
No body cares tho so this will look like a unprovoked attack
A loss or no loss has nothing to do with it
Hell the closest the fight ever came to being made was when Floyd was 42-0

At the end of the day, I think this fight will happen one day. It hasn't happened cause of business. Simple and plain
Bon arum doesn't even let shyt die down for a bit
He's been running his mouth non stop about Floyd for the last 5 years
Always sayin some dumb shyt

 

[seemorecizzy]

Writers hated Muhammad Ali, Jack Johnson, Mike Tyson, etc. Floyd is not special or unique in this regard. Let's not forget that Muhammad Ali basically made Howard Cosell into a household name, because Cosell was always down playing Ali or calling him out


It's a part of boxing. Some writers love Floyd (Percy Crawford, Ben Thompson, Greg Leon at one point)....however, the "professionalism" and "integrity" comes into play when a reporter does NOT report important info just because they are "cool" with you like Floyd wants them to do. That's the whole reasoning of the fall out between G. Leon and Floyd. Leon reported some shyt that Floyd didnt want him too, and bam, the "friendship" is over because Leon chose his craft over their friendship.


Other writers dont and will NOT do that (Crawford and Thompson).

Well cause pretty much every writer hates Floyd for one reason or the other
They all have their agendas and their shyt always gets coverage
Nothing wrong with having 1 or 2 out of the whole bunch dat will give his side of things when most Floyd reporting is one sidedly against him

 

[Newzz]

He put showtime in the red? Let me guess you heard that from Dan Rafael and his sources? I guess its to much to ask for his sources to provide some sort of documented proof of this?

Let's ask former lawyer, and head Showtime exec Stephen Espinoza

*danger, the following contains Espinoza spins/lawyer speak/and purposeful misstatements in order to build up and tear down statements never said by any reporter*

SI.com: To be clear, you are saying the reported losses of millions are inaccurate?

Espinoza: Absolutely untrue. The people who are writing that we have tens of millions of losses fundamentally don’t understand the business of pay per view. If you look at the allocation of costs, there is no way even with the worst estimates of pay-per-view performances we would be losing the amount of money people say we are losing.

http://www.si.com/boxing/2014/07/09/showtime-stephen-espinoza-interview-floyd-mayweather-canelo-hbo

Notice he didnt say they WERENT losing money....he said they arent losing the amount of money people say they are

I've also never heard anyone saying or report that Showime is losing "tens of millions" so he's making up a quote in order to tear it down himself...interesting

Lettuce continue shall we:

SI.com: Well, like you mentioned, fighters do hold the good numbers up as a barometer for success. Isn’t it fair to seek out the numbers when they are not so good?

Espinoza: I understand where it comes from. But what has been puzzling is the rush to characterize it as success or failure. One thing we know is that Floyd is head and shoulders above any athlete in terms of pay-per-view viewership. He is the world’s No. 1 pay-per-view attraction. And it’s by a large margin. To characterize any of his events as failures when he is surpassing by a large margin what anyone else does is irrational, to say the least

http://www.si.com/boxing/2014/07/09/showtime-stephen-espinoza-interview-floyd-mayweather-canelo-hbo

Again, he doesnt address numbers. He speaks AROUND it like a good former lawyer would

He says it shouldnt be characterized as a failure, because he's putting up higher numbers than anyone else. That means nothing if you're not making any money forreal off the deal though.

Let's say Floyd sells 825k for example. Yes, it's higher than his contemporaries, but because of his deal, he's not making the company any money off of the PPVs. We'll get to that here:

SI.com: If it’s not just about the numbers, give me some of the ways you do measure success with his fights?

Espinoza: I think probably the biggest, immediate value of Mayweather was symbolic. It sent the message that we are in boxing at the highest possible level. We are doing top-tier programming. The best way to send that message is to get the No. 1 attraction and continue to grow it. That last part is critical. What we have seen is that since Floyd came over to Showtime, his mainstream appeal has without question continued to grow. Candidly, that was not something I thought would necessarily happen when we first signed him. He was such a big star when we first signed him. I even asked myself, ‘How are we going to continue to grow him?’ But through the platforms that we have and through Floyd’s own marketing genius we have combined to continue to elevate him to heights we haven’t seen with even Oscar De La Hoya.

In addition, each event has to be financially viable. That has absolutely been the case for us. The rest is a general intangible evaluation. What is the halo effect that he brings? Not just viewership but perception and general awareness. From all those measures, from the vague sense of p.r. and general visibility to specific measures in focus groups and through audience testing, the perception of Showtime Sports has been on a tremendous positive flow since Floyd has been on the network.

http://www.si.com/boxing/2014/07/09/showtime-stephen-espinoza-interview-floyd-mayweather-canelo-hbo

So a success to him is just having Floyd fight on the network, because it's gives little Showtime more exposure to the public

The bottomline doesnt even matter, he's said in this interview that they arent "losing the amount of money people say we are", "it shouldnt be characterized as a failure because Floyd is doing higher numbers than anyone else", and by Floyd fighting on Showtime it means it's a success because it means that Showtime "is doing top-tier programming"



Breh, come on now. It's obvious as hell if you just read between the lawyer jargon and recognize that the many reporters, all with different sources that are reporting the SAME THING.....Showtime is in the red with every Mayweather event that doesnt reach at least 1 million ppv buys. How much clearer does it have to become for you to see it?

 

[Big Boss]

I feel that floyd can beat manny but he still has to go do it, I hope he feels the same way.

In him posting those pics hes just trying to full the fans/people but hes not fulling me.

Manny was the one who sent a shot at floyd on twitter and floyd sent one back



Blame both guys

 

[GzUp]

Manny was the one who sent a shot at floyd on twitter and floyd sent one back



Blame both guys

Rightfully so but floyd been doing this for years.

 

[Big Boss]

Rightfully so but floyd been doing this for years.

Both guys(camps) been fighting each other more outside the ring, than inside the ring