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Writers hated Muhammad Ali, Jack Johnson, Mike Tyson, etc. Floyd is not special or unique l et's not forget that Muhammad Ali basically made Howard Cosell into a household name, because Cosell was always down playing Ali or calling him out:yeshrug:


It's a part of boxing. Some writers love Floyd (Percy Crawford, Ben Thompson, Greg Leon at one point)....however, the "professionalism" and "integrity" comes into play when a reporter does NOT report important info just because they are "cool" with you like Floyd wants them to do. That's the whole reasoning of the fall out between G. Leon and Floyd. Leon reported some shyt that Floyd didnt want him too, and bam, the "friendship" is over because Leon chose his craft over their friendship.


Other writers dont and will NOT do that (Crawford and Thompson).


The fighters you listed a have two things in common, they were the biggest name in game and they were black. Ask yourself this, if Mike, Jack, Muhammad or Floyd did all the
same things inside or outside the ring and they were not black would they be writting the same things?

If Floyd was a latino named Fernando or a russian named Fedor would the hate from "proffesional" journalist be the same


I actualy stopped going to fighthype as often because they were just PR for Floyd. Which I wouldnt mind as much if it was strictly about boxing and training and not about what Mayweather was eating at 3 am
 

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One of you Showtime financial consultants please answer me this

If doin under a million is a failure N Floyd Chino 1 failed with the help of Khan N AB

Why would they make a rematch to a failure N then have the co main as LSC vs sparring partner + Bey vs Vasquez

How does that make sense??:beli:
 

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One of you Showtime financial consultants please answer me this

If doin under a million is a failure N Floyd Chino 1 failed with the help of Khan N AB

Why would they make a rematch to a failure N then have the co main as LSC vs sparring partner + Bey vs Vasquez

How does that make sense??:beli:

Easy, because:

"the biggest, immediate value of Mayweather was symbolic. It sent the message that we are in boxing at the highest possible level. We are doing top-tier programming"

Regardless if they are losing money, just having him on the network shows that Showtime isnt small-time anymore in comparision to HBO.
 

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Easy, because:



Regardless if they are losing money, just having him on the network shows that Showtime isnt small-time anymore in comparision to HBO.


OK...they could had Floyd fight any scrub do under a Milly N fail...N still have him on the network N "win"...plus they could saved $$$$ cuz I'm sure Chino was paid more for the rematch

if under a Milly puts them in the red N is such a big deal then obviously they would try better this past September:ohhh:

So the higher ups at Showtime saw Floyd Chino 1 with the help of AB N Khan put them in the red

Their answer to that?? Floyd Chino 2 with the backing of Bey & Vasquez

BRILLIANT!!!:gladbron:
 

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OK...they could had Floyd fight any scrub do under a Milly N fail...N still have him on the network N "win"...plus they could saved $$$$ cuz I'm sure Chino was paid more for the rematch

if under a Milly puts them in the red N is such a big deal then obviously they would try better this past September:ohhh:

So the higher ups at Showtime saw Floyd Chino 1 with the help of AB N Khan put them in the red

Their answer to that?? Floyd Chino 2 with the backing of Bey & Vasquez

BRILLIANT!!!:gladbron:

I get what you're saying and it's no surprise that Floyd went all out to promote this joint. But if the people ain't feeling it, then they're not feeling it.

From a fighter's point of view, and that's all I can really give you, I was excited about the rematch. I wanted to see if Floyd would do something different. I wanted to see if Maidana's pressure would be overwhelming.

Again, that's my point of view. I can't vouch for the rest.

Edit...

I've been watching Floyd since I was about 14 or 15. I feel like as he's grown so have I. What Imean by that is, I have other guys from other sports who I have stanned. One thing I've learned as a fan of an athlete is that it's stupid for me to try to understand why other people don't like him. I remember being a youth on :hamster: arguing with nikkas til my fingers went numb about Kobe being the best. That's how I feel and I'm entitled to that. Others don't like him and guess what, they're entitled to that. What's the sense in me getting mad about how they feel?
 
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OK...they could had Floyd fight any scrub do under a Milly N fail...N still have him on the network N "win"...plus they could saved $$$$ cuz I'm sure Chino was paid more for the rematch

if under a Milly puts them in the red N is such a big deal then obviously they would try better this past September:ohhh:

So the higher ups at Showtime saw Floyd Chino 1 with the help of AB N Khan put them in the red

Their answer to that?? Floyd Chino 2 with the backing of Bey & Vasquez

BRILLIANT!!!:gladbron:

You're looking at it from a fans point of view as for the undercard.

Business wise, it was a PERFECT move, because the undercard for Mayweather vs Maidana 2 was cheaper than Mayweather vs Maidana 1 which means more revenue is kept:mjpls:

Angulo got 500k, De La Rosa got 43k, Soto got 150k, Molina got 125k, Vazquez got 450k, Bey got 125k, LSC got 750k, and Roman got 50k...that's a combined undercard purse of 2.19 million, http://mmapayout.com/2014/09/fight-purses-mayweather-32m-maidana-3m/

Amir Khan and Adrien Broner alone made more combined money on Floyd vs Maidana 1 than the entire undercard for Floyd v Maidana 2. The undercard for Floyd vs Maidana 1 was paid a total of 3.4 million:

The Mayweather-Maidana card was called the most expensive undercard in the history of boxing by Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer. The additions of Broner ($1.25 million purse) and Amir Khan ($1.5 million) pushed the cumulative undercard purses to $3.4 million

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad...day-for-floyd-mayweather-is-wishful-thinking/

:manny:

So, as a business man, if you think there's a chance you're gonna be in the red (do less than a million buys)...you're gonna cut costs (undercard and other little things like the amount of promotion that you do which also keeps costs down) in order to increase the profit that you do receive back
 
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You're looking at it from a fans point of view as for the undercard.

Business wise, it was a PERFECT move, because the undercard for Mayweather vs Maidana 2 was cheaper than Mayweather vs Maidana 1 which means more revenue is kept:mjpls:

Angulo got 500k, De La Rosa got 43k, Soto got 150k, Molina got 125k, Vazquez got 450k, Bey got 125k, LSC got 750k, and Roman got 50k...that's a combined undercard purse of 2.19 million, http://mmapayout.com/2014/09/fight-purses-mayweather-32m-maidana-3m/

Amir Khan and Adrien Broner alone made more combined money on Floyd vs Maidana 1 than the entire undercard for Floyd v Maidana 2. The undercard for Floyd vs Maidana 1 was paid a total of 3.4 million:



:manny:

So, as a business man, if you think there's a chance you're gonna be in the red (do less than a million buys)...you're gonna cut costs (undercard and other little things like the amount of promotion that you do which also keeps costs down) in order to increase the profit that you do receive back


You forgot to factor in Marcos going from making 1.5 the first fight to 3 mill for the second fight.
 

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Dan Rafael chat wrap 9/26:

- Mayweather fighting on the same weekend as a potential Cotto-Canelo fight? No way it happens, the cable services won't allow it.
- Stephen Espinoza didn't want to approve Clottey for Canelo...but approved Salka for Danny Garcia. If Canelo was a client of Haymon, Espinoza would have approved the fight.
- The new math equation is: TR+GB(-AH)=F
- His opinion is that Mayweather doesn't have a burning desire to fight Pacquiao. Most likely comfortable with his Showtime contract and guaranteed payday.
- Boxing business wise, Kirkland is frustrating and not intelligent.
- Feels bad for Rosado because it was a really good payday for him.
- Buy or Sell a GB fighter will fight Pacquiao next year: he is buying, but not sure who...remember that Haymon is still banned from HBO (Garcia-Pacquiao is not happening).
- Stiverne-Wilder are negotiating their fight, if an agreement isn't reached it is supposed to go to purse bid Oct. 1.
- Winner of Ali-Abregu fight puts himself in contention for a title shot.
- There will be a 24/7 for Hopkins-Kovalev...but just one episode as it is not PPV (rarely are 24/7's for non PPV fights).
- ShoBox ending rumors are untrue, according to Showtime.
- Avalos never "pulled" out of the Rigo fight. He was a mandatory, but didn't want the fight. Avalos is also the mandatory for Frampton and that is the fight he will be pursuing.
- The $79,000 would have been Avalos' biggest purse, but he will make much more vs Frampton...and thinks it is a more winnable fight.
- Does not believe Canelo-Pacquiao ever happens due to weight. Could potentially see Canelo fight JCC one day.
- Roman Gonzalez will fight once more this year and then sometime in 2015 look for a rematch with Estrada.
- If GGG beats Rubio he will get an interim title, where he becomes the mandatory for Cotto. Doesn't think it means anything. GGG already has one of the real belts, so if GGG-Cotto does not get made, doesn't think GGG is afraid to lose an interim belt. Also, Cotto is at the end of his career - he will not make any fight he does not want to make.
- Prefers 24/7 over All Access.
- Andrade-Korobov has been ordered, but it is a long way off from being made, if it even does get made.
- Believes Santa Cruz takes a Mares fight before Rigo as it will be bigger, more lucrative, and more exciting.
- Provodnikov will be fighting in November or December in Russia - Arum wouldn't get him any opponents that HBO would put on their broadcast.
- Showtime refused to comment when asked about Floyd saying All Access was staged.
- Buy or Sell: Adrian Broner will be knocked out in a fight - Buy.
- According to his sources the Mayweather-Maidana number are not close to 925k.
- Manny's performance vs Algieri has no effect on Mayweather-Pacquiao being made.
- Omar Chavez-Ramon Alvarez: picking Chavez.
- GB is no longer getting a % from Pacquiao fights.
- Rubio's chances vs GGG, slim.
- If Mayweather were to fight GGG at 154, Mayweather being KO'd is a very likely outcome.
- Mayweather is in his list of top 20 boxers of all time.
- The GGG fight is basically sold out. Standing room tickets had to be added.
- What is next for Adonis Stevenson? Probably a pointless fight in December.
- Mayweather and GB have not announced a break up in working together...but Canelo moving to HBO surely doesn't help.
- According to his contacts at HBO and Main Events, Adonis did have a verbal agreement with them and then jumped to Showtime.
- According to GB, Figueroa will not be vacating his Lightweight belt quite yet.
 

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You're looking at it from a fans point of view as for the undercard.

Business wise, it was a PERFECT move, because the undercard for Mayweather vs Maidana 2 was cheaper than Mayweather vs Maidana 1 which means more revenue is kept:mjpls:

Angulo got 500k, De La Rosa got 43k, Soto got 150k, Molina got 125k, Vazquez got 450k, Bey got 125k, LSC got 750k, and Roman got 50k...that's a combined undercard purse of 2.19 million, http://mmapayout.com/2014/09/fight-purses-mayweather-32m-maidana-3m/

Amir Khan and Adrien Broner alone made more combined money on Floyd vs Maidana 1 than the entire undercard for Floyd v Maidana 2. The undercard for Floyd vs Maidana 1 was paid a total of 3.4 million:



:manny:

So, as a business man, if you think there's a chance you're gonna be in the red (do less than a million buys)...you're gonna cut costs (undercard and other little things like the amount of promotion that you do which also keeps costs down) in order to increase the profit that you do receive back
Honestly I don't claim to know if they are losing money or making money, all I know is that it has been stated that 1 million buys seems to be the number always referenced to what Showtime wanted to receive by giving Mayweather the deal.
Also add the fact that Showtime signed the contract, so they have to put the fight on. It doesn't matter if it makes money or loses money, Showtime still has to put the fight on. It is in Showtime's best interest to get Mayweather the most rating friendly fighter. If there was a fight more lucrative than Maidana, I am sure Showtime would have pushed Mayweather to pursue it. The idea that Showtime put on a good card (or at least good names, even though they weren't matched against each other) and then pulled back in the second fight definitely brings in analysis for why they did that.
Mayweather's next fight will be really interesting in seeing who gets chosen as an opponent. As it stands now, it doesn't appear as if he has an opponent with a name to help sell a fight. Khan has a bigger name than many of the other names at 147 (Porter, Thurman, etc.), but they will experience some publicity backlash from sportswriters if that fight is made. It would appear that the names Mayweather really needs to sell a fight are: Cotto, Canelo, and Pacquiao and none of those seems like a realistic possibility.
 

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How am I thinking like a fan:dahell:

I'm asking you how does one sell the idea to the higher ups that Floyd Chino 1 was a failure... So our solution is a rematch with less star power AND have to pay chino more

What person running a company would think that's a good idea to get out of the red??

Not to mention Floyd Chino 2 had a tour...so the cost cutting narrative to save money makes even less sense

Or could it be MAYBE just MAYBE the Floyd has to do a Milly to be a success is not true....then all that shyt makes sense doesn't it
 
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