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[LeVraiPapi]

The post I made wasn't even shytting on floyd, it was bigging up maidana for giving him a tough fight but coming up short. and to your dikk riding self....that's hating. thats precisely why you see legit boxing fans in here pulling the "elitist" shyt. anybody who can watch that fight and not admit maidana gave floyd a tough fight is just not a true fan of the sport.

here we go again. What else ? I don't know boxing right ?


I bet if that was Pac, you would have depicted how Maidana was not landing yadayada blah blahblah


Carry on, sir

 

[LeVraiPapi]

115-113 or 116-112 is about right. Those that gave Floyd 8 rounds prolly just gave him one of the close swing rounds which is cool. Nothing wrong with those scores.

It's just that you got some nikkas acting like Floyd won 9-10 clear rounds on some easy work type shyt. Those nikkas are in the extreme minority just like anybody that had Timmy beating Pac in the 1st fight or winning more than 4 rounds in the 2nd fight.

I know everybody got they own bias, but the key is to be at least objective with it.

I m being honest. After the fight I scored it 116-112. After rewatching it, you can see clearly that Maidana was not landing much at all but of course he did well, much better than anybody expected.

I just have no respect for him cuz he tried to use faulty gloves, and he was low blowing when he was frustrated. Let's add the headbutts and the rabbit punches he threw. If the fight was officiated right, he woulda lost at least 2 pts for low blows and rabbit punching. He did better when FLoyd got that cut and couldn't see, but still FLoyd cut him with a combo when he tried to jump in.

However, it was a 7-5 fight though right ?

I know people wanna see Floyd lose and crying robbery makes them feel better.

As a boxing fan, I wanna see Floyd-Porter. That rematch with Maidana is easy money for Floyd and Maidana already pulled his tricks

 

[Newzz]

The post I made wasn't even shytting on floyd, it was bigging up maidana for giving him a tough fight but coming up short. and to your dikk riding self....that's hating. thats precisely why you see legit boxing fans in here pulling the "elitist" shyt. anybody who can watch that fight and not admit maidana gave floyd a tough fight is just not a true fan of the sport.

Exactly

115-113 or 116-112 is about right. Those that gave Floyd 8 rounds prolly just gave him one of the close swing rounds which is cool. Nothing wrong with those scores.

It's just that you got some nikkas acting like Floyd won 9-10 clear rounds on some easy work type shyt. Those nikkas are in the extreme minority just like anybody that had Timmy beating Pac in the 1st fight or winning more than 4 rounds in the 2nd fight.

I know everybody got they own bias, but the key is to be at least objective with it.

This is true too.


I always post the rounds I give a fighter, I dont just post final scores, so if I was hating or being biased....it would be right there in my official score.


nikkas think just because you like 1 fighter, you cant see the obvious. TBE hard a tough night with Marcos Maidana. It is what it is and it happens sometimes. THAT'S why fights are fought in the ring


These 9-3/10-2 scorecards, these Floyd stans keep throwing out, but dont post the rounds they gave Maidana and THEY are in the minority because everyone knows this was a tough fight..........even Floyd himself, which is why he's willing to rematch Maidana

I figured that Floyd Mayweather would dominate Marcos Maidana and I was wrong. I wasnt impressed with his performance the 1st half of the fight. The 2nd half of the fight, he was good.


I was more impressed with Marcos Maidana, because he proved that the fight with AB and the previous 4 straight KO's he had arent a fluke. He's greatly improved with Robert Garcia and Alex Ariza in his corner, and even though he's a B fighter, with them training and conditioning him, he fights at a B+ level due to his stamina and conditioning increase. Dude was just walking through Floyd's punches and the body shots didnt really stop him like normal. Just swinging away like a wild man with no real signs of tiring

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I m being honest. After the fight I scored it 116-112. After rewatching it, you can see clearly that Maidana was not landing much at all but of course he did well, much better than anybody expected.

I just have no respect for him cuz he tried to use faulty gloves, and he was low blowing when he was frustrated. Let's add the headbutts and the rabbit punches he threw. If the fight was officiated right, he woulda lost at least 2 pts for low blows and rabbit punching. He did better when FLoyd got that cut and couldn't see, but still FLoyd cut him with a combo when he tried to jump in.

However, it was a 7-5 fight though right ?

I know people wanna see Floyd lose and crying robbery makes them feel better.

As a boxing fan, I wanna see Floyd-Porter. That rematch with Maidana is easy money for Floyd and Maidana already pulled his tricks

That's the thing you watched it with more bias the 2nd time around because you felt away about the fukkery from Maidana.

That's all on you. Most people still saw it as a 115-113 or 116-112 type of fight.

No one said Chino landed a lot. He got rounds off of ring generalship and fighting his style of fight. Nobody even screaming robbery. You saying that shyt breh.

but do you.

 

[Newzz]

I m being honest. After the fight I scored it 116-112. After rewatching it, you can see clearly that Maidana was not landing much at all but of course he did well, much better than anybody expected.

I just have no respect for him cuz he tried to use faulty gloves, and he was low blowing when he was frustrated. Let's add the headbutts and the rabbit punches he threw. If the fight was officiated right, he woulda lost at least 2 pts for low blows and rabbit punching. He did better when FLoyd got that cut and couldn't see, but still FLoyd cut him with a combo when he tried to jump in.

However, it was a 7-5 fight though right ?

I know people wanna see Floyd lose and crying robbery makes them feel better.

As a boxing fan, I wanna see Floyd-Porter. That rematch with Maidana is easy money for Floyd and Maidana already pulled his tricks

Breh, how can you argue 7-5 when you yourself only scored it 8-4?


That's an argument of 1 round....not that big of a difference


And there isnt anyone on here crying robbery. Even the only Maidana stan is saying the fight was a draw at best for his fighter.


Yall Floyd stans are coming off mighty insecure about the fight brehs


It happens in boxing....sometimes the best have a bad night at the office. As long as he still won in the end, what's the problem?


I had the fight at 115-113 in favor of Floyd. It could've been been 116-112 for Floyd or 114-114 Draw and I wouldnt think nothing of it. When we start getting into the "Maidana won" (which no one on this site is saying) or "Floyd won 9 or 10 rounds" (which have been all Floyd stans are saying)......THAT'S when the biasness comes into full view for everyone on here to see and question.

 

[Skip b]

Exactly




This is true too.


I always post the rounds I give a fighter, I dont just post final scores, so if I was hating or being biased....it would be right there in my official score.


nikkas think just because you like 1 fighter, you cant see the obvious. TBE hard a tough night with Marcos Maidana. It is what it is and it happens sometimes. THAT'S why fights are fought in the ring


These 9-3/10-2 scorecards, these Floyd stans keep throwing out, but dont post the rounds they gave Maidana and THEY are in the minority because everyone knows this was a tough fight..........even Floyd himself, which is why he's willing to rematch Maidana

I figured that Floyd Mayweather would dominate Marcos Maidana and I was wrong. I wasnt impressed with his performance the 1st half of the fight. The 2nd half of the fight, he was good.


I was more impressed with Marcos Maidana, because he proved that the fight with AB and the previous 4 straight KO's he had arent a fluke. He's greatly improved with Robert Garcia and Alex Ariza in his corner, and even though he's a B fighter, with them training and conditioning him, he fights at a B+ level due to his stamina and conditioning increase. Dude was just walking through Floyd's punches and the body shots didnt really stop him like normal. Just swinging away like a wild man with no real signs of tiring

Rabbit punches and holding at the hip is not ring generalship, even still he missed majority those dirty shots

 

[surv2syn]

Hearns is a legend but floyd is better and he would get the corrales treatment

 

[Newzz]

Rabbit punches and holding at the hip is not ring generalship, even still he missed majority those dirty shots

Robert Garcia was telling him to fight dirty in the corner

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Baldomir was no challenge Zab did better c'mon

I see Floyd going to the ropes on purpose, I believe him when he said he did the shyt for the fans
because I latter part of the fight he decided not to do it anymore and that was that
matter of fact only time Maidana would open up was when he backed up onto he ropes, notice Floyd is already turtling up before Maidana does anything, he's inviting him to do it.

Watch in the rematch when he easily handles him

Floyd's problem is he listens to his critics too much

the truth is people want to see Floyd shut guys down for the whole fight even though they throw shade saying shyt like it was too easy
they don't want to see him hit, even though they say other wise, they don't want to see him lose either

The hate Floyd receives is really love, people love greatness

It like Dana White talks shyt on Floyd all the time but he goes to his fights, after the Cotto fight he was like "He looked human tonight" he said it in disappointment. Floyd can get too a straight up brawl and win he won't get credit like the other fighters for being a warrior, the just gonna say he fell off and was unimpressive.

Nobody wants to see Floyd get hit and beat up they want clinics they just say otherwise out of envy which is the off spring of love and hate

I feel the same, it wasn't part of an adjustment to his game he just started to play his.

 

[surv2syn]

One thing I've noticed is that nikkas don't understand the concept of ring generalship, or put much value into it. Which is why they can't some to understand why people gave Maidana as many rounds as they did.

They have a problem with people giving Maidana rounds because he threw a shytload of punches and missed most of them, but will give Floyd rounds for just blocking/dodging them all and only throwing like 4 or 5 pot shots

One thing that the Maidana fight did, is confirm my beliefs that Leonard and Hearns would beat Mayweather

but here is where it gets twisted. ring generalship is not JUST doing what you want to do (execution of game plan) but being effective at it as well. its two-fold. If MM wanted to keep the fight on the ropes then he succeeded in one part of RG. how effective was he in landing though? thats the key. if Floyd kept the fight in the center of the ring but didnt land anything...thats only half of RG as well.

RG is one part getting someone to do what you want them to do...but its also one part gaining advantage by doing so. there is a such thing as close fight that can go either way...then there is close but clear.

it wasnt like Floyd did a whole lot offensively but this game is about hitting and not getting hit...no matter what we want to see. Floyd is still the best at not getting hit and you have to give credit for that each and every single time out. Defense is glory-less in all sports.

as far as SRL/Hearns....its mythical, so we will all have our opinions on that. I would say Hearns beats Floyd more times than not....but I think Floyd could get SRL as many times if not more. SRL had lots of issues with fast fighters, particularly those with great defense. He had issues with Floyd Sr. who was no where near as good as Floyd and fought in a style that Jr. later perfected.

 

[Newzz]

Ward: Goossen Has Not Offered Fight Since December
Posted by: Luis Sandoval on 5/6/2014 .

By Luis Sandoval
Andre Ward’s promotional struggles continue as the undefeated Super Middleweight is trying to break free from current promoter Goossen Tutor who he’s been with since his professional debut. Ward has a pending lawsuit against Goossen Tutor that was filed in California Superior court. An arbitration hearing held by the California State Athletic Commission this past Thursday found Ward’s promotional contract with Goossen to be valid until November 8, 2016 but Ward is still pursuing his court case.

Despite the lawsuit, Ward informs that he is still free to make fights and work with his promoter but the problem is he has not received an offer since December of last year. Five months later Ward is on the sidelines and frustrated with his current situation.

“I want to be in the ring more than anybody else wants me in the ring. This is literally how I feed my family. I just turned 30 years old. I’m entering the prime of my career. This isn’t a lawsuit where the judge has put a mandate or stipulation where I can’t fight. That’s not the case. There was a lawsuit filed in Superior Court and then an email that followed that said hey, let’s continue to do this mutually. Let’s work together, it was agreed, so let’s do it. And there’s been a multitude of emails going back and forth, a lot of games being played but the reality of the situation is not one offer [has been made],” Ward would tell BoxingScene and other reporters.

Ward was last seen in the ring in November when he defeated Edwin Rodriguez and has not been able to secure a follow up fight. This inactivity is on the heels of him being out a year due to a shoulder injury which means he’s only fought twice in almost 2 and half years.

Andre was asked if Goossen has tried to at least pursue fights for him since his last bout and while Ward says some names were mentioned, Goossen never delivered a fight.

“[Dan Goossen] pursued some fights, but he hasn’t been able [to deliver]. He tried to dig up Mikkel Kessler in Denmark. We said okay, make us an offer. He came back [and said] the offer is not satisfactory, I can’t offer you this. I’m going to pursue this fight in the states. Got another offer from the network and its way too low. He killed it. [He said] we can’t do this but I’ll continue to look. We waited, we waited, we waited,” said Ward.

“We got another email with 4 names on it: Sakio Bika, Anthony Dirrell, James DeGale and the Russian [who] I can’t even begin to pronounce his name but he’s the guy who is the regular champion for the WBA. And he said if these names are okay, we’ll get a deal done immediately. [We said] make us an offer, we want to fight, we want to get back in there. And as you guys know, those fights aren’t steps forward, they’re steps backwards. But still, make us an offer. Nothing. There hasn’t been one offer since December. That’s the reality of the situation”.

Ward does find solace in the fact that he’s not the first fighter to go through a similar situation as Floyd Mayweather and Bernard Hopkins at one point looked to break free from their promoters and were successful. In fact, Hopkins’ lawsuit was also filed against Ward’s current promoter Dan Goossen.

Both Hopkins and Mayweather offered Ward advice and support when they saw him in Las Vegas, NV this past Saturday which Ward said he truly appreciated. Ward is hopeful a deal for a fight can be reached soon as he does not want to sit out the rest of this year especially considering both sides agreed to still work together during the lawsuit.

“Again it’s tough because we have a litigation right now but we’re supposed to be fighting. It’s kind of tough. It’s not like we’re on the sidelines until this lawsuit is [over]. No, we’re supposed to be fighting”.

You can follow Luis Sandoval on Twitter & Instagram @Truewest007.

Ward: Goossen Has Not Offered Fight Since December - Boxing News











Dan Goossen out here treating the #2 P4P like this


nikkas think #SOG is just sitting on the sidelines, biting his nails....only wanting to fight in Oakland, but in actuality we want to fight anywhere. Even was willing to go to Denmark to fight Mikkel Kessler all along if we had too


PLEASE somebody come and buy us out from under Goossen's control



#SOGGang

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Sounds like Goosen is killing off fights that Ward would prolly kill off himself if he had that opportunity to do so.


Anthony Dirrel and James Degale aren't bad for stay busy fights. Should fight one of them and wait for the Groves/Frotch 2 winner or fight Pascal at 175.

I hope they settle all that shyt so he can get back in the ring ASAP.

 

[Black_Jesus]

nikkas keep bringing up Hearns and Leonard... I think prime Duran would bop Floyd as well..

 

[HARLEM AL]

Ward: Goossen Has Not Offered Fight Since December
Posted by: Luis Sandoval on 5/6/2014 .

By Luis Sandoval
Andre Ward’s promotional struggles continue as the undefeated Super Middleweight is trying to break free from current promoter Goossen Tutor who he’s been with since his professional debut. Ward has a pending lawsuit against Goossen Tutor that was filed in California Superior court. An arbitration hearing held by the California State Athletic Commission this past Thursday found Ward’s promotional contract with Goossen to be valid until November 8, 2016 but Ward is still pursuing his court case.

Despite the lawsuit, Ward informs that he is still free to make fights and work with his promoter but the problem is he has not received an offer since December of last year. Five months later Ward is on the sidelines and frustrated with his current situation.

“I want to be in the ring more than anybody else wants me in the ring. This is literally how I feed my family. I just turned 30 years old. I’m entering the prime of my career. This isn’t a lawsuit where the judge has put a mandate or stipulation where I can’t fight. That’s not the case. There was a lawsuit filed in Superior Court and then an email that followed that said hey, let’s continue to do this mutually. Let’s work together, it was agreed, so let’s do it. And there’s been a multitude of emails going back and forth, a lot of games being played but the reality of the situation is not one offer [has been made],” Ward would tell BoxingScene and other reporters.

Ward was last seen in the ring in November when he defeated Edwin Rodriguez and has not been able to secure a follow up fight. This inactivity is on the heels of him being out a year due to a shoulder injury which means he’s only fought twice in almost 2 and half years.

Andre was asked if Goossen has tried to at least pursue fights for him since his last bout and while Ward says some names were mentioned, Goossen never delivered a fight.

“[Dan Goossen] pursued some fights, but he hasn’t been able [to deliver]. He tried to dig up Mikkel Kessler in Denmark. We said okay, make us an offer. He came back [and said] the offer is not satisfactory, I can’t offer you this. I’m going to pursue this fight in the states. Got another offer from the network and its way too low. He killed it. [He said] we can’t do this but I’ll continue to look. We waited, we waited, we waited,” said Ward.

“We got another email with 4 names on it: Sakio Bika, Anthony Dirrell, James DeGale and the Russian [who] I can’t even begin to pronounce his name but he’s the guy who is the regular champion for the WBA. And he said if these names are okay, we’ll get a deal done immediately. [We said] make us an offer, we want to fight, we want to get back in there. And as you guys know, those fights aren’t steps forward, they’re steps backwards. But still, make us an offer. Nothing. There hasn’t been one offer since December. That’s the reality of the situation”.

Ward does find solace in the fact that he’s not the first fighter to go through a similar situation as Floyd Mayweather and Bernard Hopkins at one point looked to break free from their promoters and were successful. In fact, Hopkins’ lawsuit was also filed against Ward’s current promoter Dan Goossen.

Both Hopkins and Mayweather offered Ward advice and support when they saw him in Las Vegas, NV this past Saturday which Ward said he truly appreciated. Ward is hopeful a deal for a fight can be reached soon as he does not want to sit out the rest of this year especially considering both sides agreed to still work together during the lawsuit.

“Again it’s tough because we have a litigation right now but we’re supposed to be fighting. It’s kind of tough. It’s not like we’re on the sidelines until this lawsuit is [over]. No, we’re supposed to be fighting”.

You can follow Luis Sandoval on Twitter & Instagram @Truewest007.

Ward: Goossen Has Not Offered Fight Since December - Boxing News











Dan Goossen out here treating the #2 P4P like this


nikkas think #SOG is just sitting on the sidelines, biting his nails....only wanting to fight in Oakland, but in actuality we want to fight anywhere. Even was willing to go to Denmark to fight Mikkel Kessler all along if we had too


PLEASE somebody come and buy us out from under Goossen's control



#SOGGang

Dude is trying to sue him. wtf is he suppose to do?

 

[HARLEM AL]

Sounds like Goosen is killing off fights that Ward would prolly kill off himself if he had that opportunity to do so.


Anthony Dirrel and James Degale aren't bad for stay busy fights. Should fight one of them and wait for the Groves/Frotch 2 winner or fight Pascal at 175.

I hope they settle all that shyt so he can get back in the ring ASAP.

problem is HBO isnt going to pay ward a lot of money for those fights.




as for the hearns shyt... Why nikkas acting like Hearns chin wasnt made of glass?