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[bigbadbossup2012]

One thing I've noticed is that nikkas don't understand the concept of ring generalship, or put much value into it. Which is why they can't some to understand why people gave Maidana as many rounds as they did.

They have a problem with people giving Maidana rounds because he threw a shytload of punches and missed most of them, but will give Floyd rounds for just blocking/dodging them all and only throwing like 4 or 5 pot shots

One thing that the Maidana fight did, is confirm my beliefs that Leonard and Hearns would beat Mayweather

Based off what?

 

[King P]

Based off what?

If Leonard and Hearns implemented the same strategy, Mayweather would be in trouble. And those guys are much much better fighters than Chino. Both have more consistent and more dynamic offenses and have the stamina/conditioning to go along with it to keep it going.

I came across this article today, and these piece kinda sums up what I mean...

Mayweather’s defensive genius is undoubtedly his greatest asset in the ring. It’s the reason why he can dominate men that have a natural twenty-pound weight advantage over him. Most people, myself included, thought that Maidana’s reckless aggression and crudeness would play right into the hands of a great counterpuncher like Mayweather. In reality, it was the exact opposite.

Mayweather has a tendency to lead with defense rather than offense. Mayweather goes into a defensive posture and invites his opponent in with the idea of getting counterpunching opportunities. While this is usually an effective strategy for Mayweather, it also invites the possibility of being outworked. Boxing is an combat sport, where the aggressor is supposed to be rewarded. In all of Mayweather’s closest fights he was outworked for long stretches of the bouts because he was overly defensive.

Experts who believe Sugar Ray Leonard would have dominated Mayweather don’t say that because they’re biased against current fighters, it’s because Leonard was a more consistent offensive fighter. Mayweather can be guilty of relying too much on his defensive prowess and neglecting offense. This was something Emanuel Steward frequently criticized about Mayweather’s style. If Mayweather had gone first more often and used a more consistent jab he would have offset a lot of what Maidana was doing and made it a much easier fight. Against someone as aggressive, tough and powerful as Maidana sporadic pot shots were just not enough.

Floyd Mayweather vs Maidana: It was A Hard Day’s Night | BoxingInsider.com

Alot of this is very true.

One of my favorite old fights to watch is Sugar Ray Leonard vs Wilfred Benitez. Benitez is his prime was one of the greatest defensive fighters ever, right up there with Floyd. And Leonard won by stoppage (a questionable one) in the last round, but he was ahead on the scorecards. He was controlling the fight and dictating the pace, even though Benitez made him miss so many times. But the problem was Benitez didn't do enough to make him make for all the times he missed.

As great as defense is, if you can't turn it into offense, then it works against you. How would Floyd keep guys like Leonard and Hearns off him? Yea he'll make them miss a shytload of punches, but he won't be able to pot shot his way out of it. There's gonna keep throwing and throwing and throwing. If they hit him they'll hurt him, and even if they don't hurt him they'll be outworking him. And neither will run outta gas.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

If Leonard and Hearns implemented the same strategy, Mayweather would be in trouble. And those guys are much much better fighters than Chino. Both have more consistent and more dynamic offenses and have the stamina/conditioning to go along with it to keep it going.

I came across this article today, and these piece kinda sums up what I mean...


Alot of this is very true.

One of my favorite old fights to watch is Sugar Ray Leonard vs Wilfred Benitez. Benitez is his prime was one of the greatest defensive fighters ever, right up there with Floyd. And Leonard won by stoppage (a questionable one) in the last round, but he was ahead on the scorecards. He was controlling the fight and dictating the pace, even though Benitez made him miss so many times. But the problem was Benitez didn't do enough to make him make for all the times he missed.

As great as defense is, if you can't turn it into offense, then it works against you? How would Floyd keep guys like Leonard and Hearns off him? Yea he'll make them miss a shytload of punches, but he won't be able to pot shot his way out of it. There's gonna keep throwing and throwing and throwing. If they hit him they'll hurt him, and even if they don't hurt him they'll be outworking him. And neither will run outta gas.

If you're saying they could use illegal blows to open floyd up for other damage,yea that's possible. I watched the fight again,maidana got beat clearly in my opinion and and all though he landed some good shots,he missed a lot and needed many low blows and rabbit punches to do as good as he did. Niether one of them fight like that and both would lose to the king Money May

 

[Newzz]

Prime Thomas Hearns with Emmanuel Steward would beat Floyd's ass


His size, athleticism, skill, reach, power, and hand speed plus defense is the perfect neutralized of the Shoulder Roll and like Floyd Sr said, the only person who could beat Floyd will have to have size, power, hand speed, and a great jab in order to beat Floyd. Hit man had all that plus threw power combination shots

 

[Mook]

Prime Thomas Hearns with Emmanuel Steward would beat Floyd's ass


His size, athleticism, skill, reach, power, and hand speed plus defense is the perfect neutralized of the Shoulder Roll and like Floyd Sr said, the only person who could beat Floyd will have to have size, power, hand speed, and a great jab in order to beat Floyd. Hit man had all that plus threw power combination shots

Got his ass beat by Marv the gawd. Marv pool stick jab would have him lookin like suge

 

[Yuzo]

the way maidana comes at you the way a lot of argetine fighters come at you he wants to throw that overhand right over the top and put you on the ropes. thats the right way to fight floyd. that is always going to give floyd a problem.

carlos baldomir was giving floyd a lot of problems doing that when they fought but baldomir was an old man when they fought and was always more of a boxer puncher not a true pressure fighter like maidana. i thought that the writing was on the wall that maidana was going to give floyd a lot of style problems. i think floyd could have won i think floyd could have lost its a fight i can understand an argument going each way for each fighter. the fight reminded me of duran vs leonard 1 a lot which was a very even fight even though history remembers it as a dominant win for duran which it wasnt. boxing history always distorts over the years like that for some reason. boxing has a lot of myths and things of that nature moreso than other sports. i think floyd could beat maidana in a rematch but he would have to use the ring and probably request a big ring. he cant be on the ropes. he lost a lot of rounds laying on the ropes.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Prime Thomas Hearns with Emmanuel Steward would beat Floyd's ass


His size, athleticism, skill, reach, power, and hand speed plus defense is the perfect neutralized of the Shoulder Roll and like Floyd Sr said, the only person who could beat Floyd will have to have size, power, hand speed, and a great jab in order to beat Floyd. Hit man had all that plus threw power combination shots

Hearns is a legend but floyd is better and he would get the corrales treatment

 

[Yuzo]

Prime Thomas Hearns with Emmanuel Steward would beat Floyd's ass


His size, athleticism, skill, reach, power, and hand speed plus defense is the perfect neutralized of the Shoulder Roll and like Floyd Sr said, the only person who could beat Floyd will have to have size, power, hand speed, and a great jab in order to beat Floyd. Hit man had all that plus threw power combination shots

you got to remember that floyd is really a natural super featherweight/lightweight. fighters like hearns and ray leonard, were 6'1 and 5'10, with campaigns at middleweight and light heavyweight

 

[WhodatWhoadi]

Hearns is a legend but floyd is better and he would get the corrales treatment

Just had to log in and type GET THE fukk OUT OF HERE to that bullshyt statement..

how you neg somebody up on this yall? just dap undap?

 

[Willy Waffle]

Hearns is a legend but floyd is better and he would get the corrales treatment

breh u buggin with that one. only thing hearns and chico had in common was that they were both tall in the weight class. in terms of skill and ring iq i fuks with chico but hearns was on another tier. unlike chico, hearns was big guy who KNEW how to fight tall and use his jab. the thing that fukked chico up, was that he just tried to just walk floyd down without setting anything up trying to land something huge.

you got to remember that floyd is really a natural super featherweight/lightweight. fighters like hearns and ray leonard, were 6'1 and 5'10, with campaigns at middleweight and light heavyweight

word, i dislike when people put these mythical matchups with floyd against welterweights/middleweights of the past, when he's naturally a 130-135 pounder. it seems like nikkkas just make the most bullshyt fantasy matchups to argue how floyd would lose. some of the shyt on boxingscene is fukkery, floyd vs rjj at 155 catchweight, floyd vs hagler at 160

 

[mr. smoke weed]

I only really respect the scoring from the first viewing of a fight when everything is fresh and happening at the moment so the air of uncertainty is there before the official scores are read. You're actually forced to make up your mind for each round as it happens.
Case in point all the people that had to watch Pac/Bradley1, 3 and 4 times in order to find 6 or more rounds for Bradley in order to somehow justify the robbery that took place. The 1st time nikkas watched it they struggled giving dude 3 or 4 rounds, but when they seen it 5 times later, they somehow got Bradley winning. \

So you throw bradley/pac 1 under the bus as if the judge's couldn't have possibly been correct....then throw shade on those who reviewed the fight and had bradley winning? Make up your mind breh
Anywhom 116-112 or 117-111 Floyd works for me

 

[mr. smoke weed]

This casual told me he has the right to gloat and be arrogant about Floyd's performance against Maidada


I wish I can "ghost dad" some people in here and just punch em in the face as soon as they start typing up some bullshyt


TBE was NOT supposed to be in a close fight with Marcos Maidana....flat out


I wasnt impressed at all with Floyd's performance, because he fought the wrong fight initially, and this is DEFINITELY not the fight to brag about as a Floyd stan. Now in the rematch, he can right his wrongs and put on a Mayweather Boxing clinic like normal. But this 1st fight was a struggle performance for Mayweather until he switched it up in the 6th round and took over.

You my boy @Newzz but for all the bullshyt you've typed you still score a 8-4/9-3 fight 7-5 to big up AB, shyt is really sad mayne

 

[patscorpio]

You my boy @Newzz but for all the bullshyt you've typed you still score a 8-4/9-3 fight 7-5 to big up AB, shyt is really sad mayne

hold up though..i scored that fight 115-113 too breh

 

[mr. smoke weed]

hold up though..i scored that fight 115-113 too breh

We got different levels to this shyt pat, i'ma leave it at that

 

[Master Teacher]

the way maidana comes at you the way a lot of argetine fighters come at you he wants to throw that overhand right over the top and put you on the ropes. thats the right way to fight floyd. that is always going to give floyd a problem.

carlos baldomir was giving floyd a lot of problems doing that when they fought but baldomir was an old man when they fought and was always more of a boxer puncher not a true pressure fighter like maidana. i thought that the writing was on the wall that maidana was going to give floyd a lot of style problems. i think floyd could have won i think floyd could have lost its a fight i can understand an argument going each way for each fighter. the fight reminded me of duran vs leonard 1 a lot which was a very even fight even though history remembers it as a dominant win for duran which it wasnt. boxing history always distorts over the years like that for some reason. boxing has a lot of myths and things of that nature moreso than other sports. i think floyd could beat maidana in a rematch but he would have to use the ring and probably request a big ring. he cant be on the ropes. he lost a lot of rounds laying on the ropes.

breh Baldomir didn't even touch him in that gif

and that was exactly how it looked like against Maidana

Just because Floyd is on defense doesnt mean he's losing
I thought maidana was winning when I first watched it, because the action moves so fast

but watching again I don't seew how Maidana couldve won the first few rounds, he was landing anything, he was frustrated like ortiz and had to head but in the fourth

just because he came in at 165 and bullied Floyd in the clench, and fouled a lot does not mean he as giving him trouble, he just means he was resorting to those tactics in order to win, but the judges saw through it