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teddy atlas broke it down better than anyone
I notice all the fights in recent years they saw Floyd had trouble, the guys really only won 3-4 rounds
Maidana, Cotto, and Judah
Maidana manhandling Floyd in the clench, indicates he was bigger and stronger, he didn't land one shot that rattled mayweather or stunned him
so what are all this over hand rights doing, missing that's what and Floyd was fighting back of the ropes and getting the better of the exchanges
Ariza has to be the best strength and conditioning coach in the world, because Maidana is completely different than he was a year and half of ago, he did not gas at all, so you gotta give him credit
but the trouble he gave floyd was more frustration from the dirty fight he fought he really didn't do anything else
ChocolateGiddyUp
Superstar
Ariza is that nikka
Maidanas conditioning N ability to eat punches was better then ever before..
Floyd in 10 oz gloves hurt Cotto N Chino was never phased N kept coming forward
Ariza made nikkas forget bout Khans lack of chin
Ariza had JCC Jr ripped N fighting like Maidana times 10
Ariza had Manny throwing 1800 punches a fight
#arizashakes
Maidanas conditioning N ability to eat punches was better then ever before..
Floyd in 10 oz gloves hurt Cotto N Chino was never phased N kept coming forward
Ariza made nikkas forget bout Khans lack of chin
Ariza had JCC Jr ripped N fighting like Maidana times 10
Ariza had Manny throwing 1800 punches a fight
#arizashakes
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Finally got to watch this today. Over time I think this fight will be viewed very similarly (for people who watch multiple times) as the Castillo fight. Live, or your first time seeing it, Maidana's pressure and activity looks very impressive and Floyd does seem to be too patient. But the more you dissect the exchanges you see that Maidana's activity was effective, but it wasn't effective in the sense of punches being landed. I felt like I could count on both my hands the times it looked like Maidana landed a clean precise punch. The rest were glancing or bouncing around how they landed on Floyd. Compare that to Floyd where it seemed like most his punches landed cleanly and precisely onto Maidana.
I have always felt the way to get to Floyd was through bullish activity. When faced with that, Floyd's activity drops and he spends more time focusing on defense than offense...this makes the opponent look effective, even if none of their punches are landing. Skill wise, most everyone thinks there isn't a fighter who is going to stand in the middle of the ring and technically outbox Mayweather.
That said...first watch, I like 115-113 Mayweather....could see 116-112.
I have always felt the way to get to Floyd was through bullish activity. When faced with that, Floyd's activity drops and he spends more time focusing on defense than offense...this makes the opponent look effective, even if none of their punches are landing. Skill wise, most everyone thinks there isn't a fighter who is going to stand in the middle of the ring and technically outbox Mayweather.
That said...first watch, I like 115-113 Mayweather....could see 116-112.
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bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
I agree,i was just picturing a tall lanky nikka getting whooped which is what i think would happen. But naw they dont fight alike at all. Nor does maidana fight like hearns or leonard. And nothing about maidana's dirty fight makes believe either of them would beat floyd.breh u buggin with that one. only thing hearns and chico had in common was that they were both tall in the weight class. in terms of skill and ring iq i fuks with chico but hearns was on another tier. unlike chico, hearns was big guy who KNEW how to fight tall and use his jab. the thing that fukked chico up, was that he just tried to just walk floyd down without setting anything up trying to land something huge.
word, i dislike when people put these mythical matchups with floyd against welterweights/middleweights of the past, when he's naturally a 130-135 pounder. it seems like nikkkas just make the most bullshyt fantasy matchups to argue how floyd would lose. some of the shyt on boxingscene is fukkery, floyd vs rjj at 155 catchweight, floyd vs hagler at 160
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when i first got on here i made a post that carlos baldomir was one of the hardest fights floyd has ever had which a lot had disagreed with because floyd won that fight by a shut out but that doesnt mean that it was an easy fight. that fight was hard because of the way a lot of argentine fighters like to come forward with the right hand and what that means for floyd because of the way he likes to defend right hands. when fighters get ready to throw a right hand at floyd it causes floyd to prepare to go through the process of bending back and twisting away and curling that front shoulder which is to say it freezes him into a defensive state. so by coming forward and threatening to throw right hands so much its forces floyd to have to do this constantly or to have to take a step back which causes him to get pushed back to the ropes a lot.
thats not something maidana can do to any fighter, but is something he can do to floyd, just because of the way floyd defends from right hands. thats something from the carlos baldomir fight where floyd was being frozen a lot and pushed back a lot just by the way carlos baldomir and a lot of argetine fighters like to come in and what doing this does to floyd. maidana doesnt need to hit floyd with the right hand he just has to show it to freeze him or push him around the ring and thats what good ring generalship is which has to be scored. just because he was missing a lot of punches you have to score that work he was doing to push floyd back to the ropes so he could win those parts and pieces of rounds by throwing a lot of shots when he got him there. this is a hard style for floyd to fight because of what floyd is and what maidana is and the way the styles clash and i think they should rematch. ray robinson had jake lamotta and ray leonard had roberto duran. great fighters should have rivals.
when i first got on here i made a post that carlos baldomir was one of the hardest fights floyd has ever had which a lot had disagreed with because floyd won that fight by a shut out but that doesnt mean that it was an easy fight. that fight was hard because of the way a lot of argentine fighters like to come forward with the right hand and what that means for floyd because of the way he likes to defend right hands. when fighters get ready to throw a right hand at floyd it causes floyd to prepare to go through the process of bending back and twisting away and curling that front shoulder which is to say it freezes him into a defensive state. so by coming forward and threatening to throw right hands so much its forces floyd to have to do this constantly or to have to take a step back which causes him to get pushed back to the ropes a lot.
thats not something maidana can do to any fighter, but is something he can do to floyd, just because of the way floyd defends from right hands. thats something from the carlos baldomir fight where floyd was being frozen a lot and pushed back a lot just by the way carlos baldomir and a lot of argetine fighters like to come in and what doing this does to floyd. maidana doesnt need to hit floyd with the right hand he just has to show it to freeze him or push him around the ring and thats what good ring generalship is which has to be scored. just because he was missing a lot of punches you have to score that work he was doing to push floyd back to the ropes so he could win those parts and pieces of rounds by throwing a lot of shots when he got him there. this is a hard style for floyd to fight because of what floyd is and what maidana is and the way the styles clash and i think they should rematch. ray robinson had jake lamotta and ray leonard had roberto duran. great fighters should have rivals.
Baldomir was no challenge Zab did better c'mon
I see Floyd going to the ropes on purpose, I believe him when he said he did the shyt for the fans
because I latter part of the fight he decided not to do it anymore and that was that
matter of fact only time Maidana would open up was when he backed up onto he ropes, notice Floyd is already turtling up before Maidana does anything, he's inviting him to do it.
Watch in the rematch when he easily handles him
Floyd's problem is he listens to his critics too much
the truth is people want to see Floyd shut guys down for the whole fight even though they throw shade saying shyt like it was too easy
they don't want to see him hit, even though they say other wise, they don't want to see him lose either
The hate Floyd receives is really love, people love greatness
It like Dana White talks shyt on Floyd all the time but he goes to his fights, after the Cotto fight he was like "He looked human tonight" he said it in disappointment. Floyd can get too a straight up brawl and win he won't get credit like the other fighters for being a warrior, the just gonna say he fell off and was unimpressive.
Nobody wants to see Floyd get hit and beat up they want clinics they just say otherwise out of envy which is the off spring of love and hate
in the second half of the fight i thought that maidana was trying to steal rest a lot by being inactive in the center of the ring and just try to fight in spurts and thats what brought floyd back in the fight. he should have never went to the ropes when there was no reason to do it and giving maidana a chance to work without having to earn it. you take away those pieces and parts of rounds that maidana was throwing punches with floyd against the ropes and you have a white wash. in a rematch with maidana he has to keep turning him and never stay on the ropes even when he gets pushed back when maidana is creating pressure. he has to fight like the ropes are hot. he has to fight the kind of fight ray robinson fought in the st valentines day massacre and i agree it should be an easy fight
LeVraiPapi
Redemption is Coming
Ariza is that nikka
Maidanas conditioning N ability to eat punches was better then ever before..
Floyd in 10 oz gloves hurt Cotto N Chino was never phased N kept coming forward
Ariza made nikkas forget bout Khans lack of chin
Ariza had JCC Jr ripped N fighting like Maidana times 10
Ariza had Manny throwing 1800 punches a fight
#arizashakes
Maidana was hurt at least 4 times in the fight. He was wincing at the punches and he could barely breathe dawg. Dude head was snapping back.
Btw, after rewatching the fight, I can't give Maidana no more than 4 rounds and I m being nice.
My wife was like why he's not landing his punches, is that a different camera angle ?
Maidana with no chito gloves and less dirty tactics will make it an easy fight for Floyd in the rematch.
Btw, @krackdagawd is right. Tony Meeks is a dumbass. You can tell he had no clue what to do with the clash of styles. Maidana hit Floyd with 12 rabbit punches in rd 1 alone. Then, he averaged 5-10 rabbit punches a round. He deliberately throwin rabbit punches and all I heard "No haga eso" all night
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
RIP MR. SMOKE
why are floyd stans on super defense mode. floyd won. it was close. competitive. he got touched. maidana's style gave him hell. but at the end of the day, floyd won. he doesn't have to dominate every single time. he has weaknesses just like every other fighter. people really in here saying maidana didn't land anything....floyd himself said maidana hurt him. floyd himself said it was a close fight. posting gifs of every single missed punch maidana threw doesn't disprove that. I personally thought floyd would beat the shyt out of maidana...but I just gotta take my hat off to the chino...dude went in there with the best fighter in the world and gave him all he could handle. he deserves all the praise he's getting.
LeVraiPapi
Redemption is Coming
he caught Floyd a couple times but he was barely landing anything which is why he was frustrated and throwing lowblows like he was jabbing. Go rewatch the fight. I did, and I can't believe I scored it 116-112
You are known as a Floyd hater breh, since your sohh days. No surprise here. We know you negga
WTF. I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
If you had Bradley beating Pac in the 1st fight at all pretty much confirms you have awful boxing eyes when it comes to scoring fights whether you watched it 1 time or a 100 times. My mind been made up.
And you get that how?
You always come out the wood work on some other shyt breh
Like I said, I had the score 115-113 and POSTED the rounds that I gave Marcos Maidana. If I wanted Floyd to lose or anything, why would I bet every single cent of coli cash on him? If I wanted him too lose, why would I be one of the main people riding for Floyd to destroy Maidana
If ANYTHING, I wanted Maidana to get his ass beat (and @Mook can attest to that because I kept telling him Maidana's 2 minutes of fame were up in the leadup to the fight), but that didnt happen......and you know it.
A 9-3 fight?
Post the 9 rounds Floyd won then
Breh, you're a Floyd stan as well as these other dudes running around here claiming Floyd won 9 outta 12 rounds. THAT'S whats sad, because you know boxing better than that
91 members of the media scored the fight in favor of Floyd. 44 scored it 115-113 for Floyd like I did, and only 4 people scored it 117-111 like you. One of us wasnt watching the same fight
I'll let you tell it though
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
RIP MR. SMOKE
The post I made wasn't even shytting on floyd, it was bigging up maidana for giving him a tough fight but coming up short. and to your dikk riding self....that's hating. thats precisely why you see legit boxing fans in here pulling the "elitist" shyt. anybody who can watch that fight and not admit maidana gave floyd a tough fight is just not a true fan of the sport.he caught Floyd a couple times but he was barely landing anything which is why he was frustrated and throwing lowblows like he was jabbing. Go rewatch the fight. I did, and I can't believe I scored it 116-112
You are known as a Floyd hater breh, since your sohh days. No surprise here. We know you negga
115-113 or 116-112 is about right. Those that gave Floyd 8 rounds prolly just gave him one of the close swing rounds which is cool. Nothing wrong with those scores.
It's just that you got some nikkas acting like Floyd won 9-10 clear rounds on some easy work type shyt. Those nikkas are in the extreme minority just like anybody that had Timmy beating Pac in the 1st fight or winning more than 4 rounds in the 2nd fight.
I know everybody got they own bias, but the key is to be at least objective with it.
It's just that you got some nikkas acting like Floyd won 9-10 clear rounds on some easy work type shyt. Those nikkas are in the extreme minority just like anybody that had Timmy beating Pac in the 1st fight or winning more than 4 rounds in the 2nd fight.
I know everybody got they own bias, but the key is to be at least objective with it.