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[patscorpio]

slim pickings indeed
only money fights for ward at 168 is GGG, JR, or the winner of Froch-groves
ward vs andre or anthony dirrell peak my interest but not money fights....i always said andre dirrell would prolly beat ward because he's faster, better reflexes, and hit harder plus a damn good boxer to boot but who knows the fukk he's doing these days...what a waste of talent
bika, abe, and kessler there's no interest in that...bika is a paper champion as much as i fukk with him and while that first fight was prolly the most difficult for ward it was one sided..abe is prolly never coming back to the US after the whole shyt with the super 6 and dude is fading,..he lost pretty clearly..i expect more of the same..kessler was beaten the fukk down the first time around and has no title to even pull a unification angle
degale is not ready for ward yet
vera ironically is prolly another upset win away at 168 from getting a title shot lol
love

 

[Jello Biafra]

Timothy Bradley robbed Manny Pacquiao blind, and some people think he robbed Provodnikov as well breh



#BradleyBunch doesnt have much room to be talking about a robbery

That is my reason for shytting all over Tim Bradley's accomplishments as a fighter (aside from the devilish glee I take in pissing off his fans)...he is getting all of the P4P hype based off of 3 victories but one of them was a total robbery, the other was suspect as fukk and the third was some lukewarm split decision performance.
He isn't elite...he is still Devon Alexander status. Don't believe the hype.

 

[surv2syn]

That is my reason for shytting all over Tim Bradley's accomplishments as a fighter (aside from the devilish glee I take in pissing off his fans)...he is getting all of the P4P hype based off of 3 victories but one of them was a total robbery, the other was suspect as fukk and the third was some lukewarm split decision performance.
He isn't elite...he is still Devon Alexander status. Don't believe the hype.

He isnt elite. I have been saying this all along. He is only a top 5 P4P fighter by virtue of attrition. He and Devon have fought about the same level of competiton except Bradley's career path changed exponentially when he breached contract with GSP to sign with TR giving him the fights with Manny and JMM. He and Devon are still on the same level skill wise. Dont forget Devon already beat the Argentinians. I actually was rooting for Bradley to beat Manny and I picked him to win. I was about to put money on it but was like...nah....Pac gettin ready to get Mayweather. This is gonna be another DLH-Sturm

Then when the final bell rang I was like
glad I didnt drop them chips

Then they read the cards and I was like

I dont see where he deserved that win.

 

[Newzz]

Andre Ward Options:

-Froch-Groves winner (Much BETTER if Groves wins, since Froch refuses to take a rematch in Oaktown)
-GGG/Chavez Jr winner (No guarantee he'd get the winner since both turned him down, one wants to jump to 175, the other wants Martinez/Cotto winner)
-Sakio Bika 2 for unification (Golden Boy/Showtime.........maybe, he's not on their website...Was completely shut-out last time)
-Arthur Abraham 2 for unification (Abraham clearly beaten the first time though he put on a spirited effort)
-Robert Stieglitz (Was KO'd the last two times he fought in the U.S., strictly a stay busy against a top 10 168 coming off a close loss in his rubber-match with AA)
-Andre Dirrell (Refused the fight during the Super 6, now signed with 50, not sure if anything has changed)
-Anthony Dirrell (Coming off somewhat controversial draw to Sakio Bika)
-Mikkel Kessler 2 (I'm sure Kessler wants to avenge this loss, but he was soundly dominated the first time around)
-James DeGale (I like this option, DeGale was supposed to have to fight Badou Jack for a final eliminator, now he's in limbo)
-Brian Vera (REALLY grasping at straws here.......)
-J'Leon Love (^^read above)


That's 168, unless he takes someone no one has ever heard of

Arthur Abraham is fighting Nikola Sjekloca on May 3rd now. Looks like AA is off the table at the moment.


But at him defending his title only 9 weeks after winning it

 

[Newzz]

Good Question and Answer on eastsideboxing.com about Danny Garcia, his future at 140 or 147, and comparision to Adrien Broner


I agree of course and I've been touting the same thing over the last year on here

C. Jasper (Columbia, SC): I know you were pretty high on Danny Garcia after he soundly defeated Lucas Matthyssee. After seeing him struggle against a nobody, what do you think now?

Vivek W. (ESB): I’ll start by saying that I totally beg to differ, as it relates to your opinion of Mauricio Herrera being a “nobody”. Covering the sport over the years, I’ve always liked the art of keeping a thumb on those men and women who are under the radar, but above the rim, so to speak. Coming into this bout, I definitely viewed Herrera as someone who was not to be taken lightly. On the morning of all major fights, I post a Facebook “Scouting Report” which lays out my thoughts in general terms. I’m not always as deadly accurate as I’d like, but in hindsight, the words posted were almost ominous, as they spoke very clearly about what would later happen. To revisit the caption, here is a direct quote:

“Although Garcia should get the nod, this is a legitimate contender who will not be pushed around or pushed down. Herrera has proven that he can dance with the wolves, going the distance with both Alvarado and the gritty Provodnokov, never touching the deck against either man. He actually holds a victory over Provodnikov, which tells us on the right night and with the right motivation, he can indeed do big things”. Standing in the ring for the final instructions, I noticed a teary-eyed Angel Garcia, and in a bit of comical relief, I also posted “apparently Angel knows something we don’t, fellas……standbye”! At first, my comments were all comedy, but by the end of the night, there was nothing to laugh about in the Garcia camp!

I don’t like terms such as “exposed”, but I have to be brutally honest in my assessment that Garcia definitely lost the fight. Unfortunately, in Boxing, Champions on the short end of the stick can get away with poor performances, stemming from invisible rules, such as “you have to beat the Champ”, or “you have to take it out of the judges hands”. At the end of the day, I don’t like that angle, as by this standard, any Champion that can avoid being knocked out will own victory with little effort. All in all, even as a fan of Garcia, I can readily admit that he did not deserve to get the nod. Some will use the notion that he “had an off night”. I don’t subscribe to that theory. Yes…all “good” fighters have “off nights”. But “great” fighters only have “off rounds”……and the “Best of the Best”? Those guys may lose a sequence or two within a round, but they constantly adjust and adapt, so rarely do they ever lose any (rounds).

I won’t say that Garcia was “exposed”, but I won’t argue with anyone who does. I say that in the sense that similarly to Adrien Broner, what I learned personally is that he simply isn’t as far along as we thought. He was able to defeat Matthyssee, because unlike Herrera, Matthyssee only does one or two things good, and Garcia’s entire fight plan was built around nullifying his main strength. With Herrera, it was about experience. This was a man who has seen and done so much, to the point where this time around, he was able to view Garcia as the more ‘limited’ opponent. He made adjustments, and he kept Garcia thinking. What really struck me odd was that Garcia simply had no answers. Angel gave him the same period of instructions for the last 8 rounds, and he never followed them once.

Two sure-fire signs to me that a fighter will struggle on the elite level (if he ever even makes it there) is a guy who doesn’t execute any adjustments during rounds and can’t execute instructional adjustments prompted in-between rounds. As early as round 5, Angel could be heard shouting at Danny, telling him repetitively “stop standing straight up”, “bend your _____ knees, Danny”!, “you have to throw the right hand, Danny”! He never adjusted, and technically got worst. That simply doesn’t work at the elite level. There are questions about him going up to 147. Personally, I agree with his Father, Angel. I don’t like the move and wouldn’t rush it. Ideally, I’d like to see he and Broner face off, as they appear to be on similar levels.

Some would scoff at that notion, but at it’s best, we have the same scenario here that played out with Broner. Only difference is that Garcia didn’t touch the deck or lose. Both men failed to adjust, and both men seemed overwhelmed at points by men who are not nearly as talented. A deeper analysis could potentially give Broner more room to talk, as he does hold two distinctive points of contention within the head-to-head debate. For one, Broner was moving up in weight nearly 3 weight classes, which I say on the strength of him fighting his entire career at Super Featherweight, before taking two fights at Lightweight, and jumping straight to Welterweight. Secondly, as funny as it sounds, he actually showed me more heart down the stretch in the Championship rounds. I think it would be a great litmus test for both men at 140. But first, Garcia needs to give Herrera a rematch.

Read more at http://www.eastsideboxing.com/2014/left-hook-lounge-mailbag-garciaherrera-canelos-ppv-numbers-mayweather-wilder-and-more/#ASPCIDi8wQ3IifHP.99

 

[SuikodenII]

Arthur Abraham is fighting Nikola Sjekloca on May 3rd now. Looks like AA is off the table at the moment.


But at him defending his title only 9 weeks after winning it

You know............I wouldn't mind seeing Sakio Bika/Arthur Abraham unification

AA must have a retirement plan in place cause damn that's a quick turn around, especially considering how tough the Stieglitz fight was

 

[Newzz]

You know............I wouldn't mind seeing Sakio Bika/Arthur Abraham unification

AA must have a retirement plan in place cause damn that's a quick turn around, especially considering how tough the Stieglitz fight was

I know


I cant remember the last time a veteran Champion, fought within 9 weeks of his previous fight


He might be trying to get as much money before he's washed up

 

[patscorpio]

Good Question and Answer on eastsideboxing.com about Danny Garcia, his future at 140 or 147, and comparision to Adrien Broner


I agree of course and I've been touting the same thing over the last year on here

everything in that ESB article is what I said before and after this fight

 

[Newzz]

everything in that ESB article is what I said before and after this fight

I was gonna tag you in it


You were dead on about Herrera too. He gave Danny all he can handle, won the fight imo, and should try and push for a rematch.......even though he wont get one

 

[Newzz]

@patscorpio....all the articles are starting to come out now and the media is getting their chance to give their opinion/review of the fight.


I removed out the part about Wilder since no one is talking about that fight it seems.

We want more from Garcia, Wilder
Originally Published: March 18, 2014
By Nigel Collins | ESPN.com


Danny Garcia looked understandably anxious as he waited for Jimmy Lennon Jr. to read the scorecards. The blood had been wiped from his face, but he knew he'd just endured the toughest fight of his pro career. Challenger Mauricio Herrera, from Riverside, Calif., also looked concerned. The proverbial stranger in a strange land, he probably feared his effort would not be rewarded on the official scorecards -- and he was right.

Garcia was given a majority decision that was unpopular almost everywhere except inside the Coliseo Ruben Rodriguez in Bayamon, Puerto Rico, where Garcia's fans, over 10,000 strong, celebrated his fifth successful defense of a junior welterweight title. But it was enthusiasm born of kinship, not by what had transpired in the ring.




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Tom Casino/Showtime Mauricio Herrera, right, bloodied Danny Garcia but felt short losing by majority decision.




Earlier in the evening, heavyweight dreadnought Deontay Wilder celebrated his 31st knockout in 31 pro fights in such a raucous manner, one could be excuse of thinking he'd just knocked out Wladimir Klitschko. While such a match might materialize eventually, on this night "The Bronze Bomber" zeroed in on far easier prey.

If you just take the results into consideration, Saturday was a highly successful night, but boxing is not just about results. It's about how you win and how you lose, and that distinction can sometimes have a far greater effect than whose arm is raised at the end.

I'm sure Showtime and Golden Boy Promotions were delighted that A-side fighters Garcia and Wilder came away winners on Saturday night's doubleheader, but as is usually the case, it all depends on what sort of spin you put in it. Regardless, the storylines definitely took a few unintended detours and ended up tweaking the overall picture more than a little.

Garcia's ballyhooed return to his ancestral homeland of Puerto Rico was supposed to be a showcase fight aimed at helping enhance his appeal as a future opponent for Floyd Mayweather Jr. But after barely escaping a demanding struggle with Herrera, a fight with Mayweather any time soon should be classify as cruel and unusual punishment.

It wasn't just that the decision in Garcia's favor was highly questionable. The way light-punching Herrera smacked around a blood-smeared titleholder in the final round was eye opening. Imagining what Mayweather would do to Garcia is cringe worthy.

Garcia is a good fighter, and against the right adversary, he can be very effective and a pleasure to watch. But he is not an elite fighter yet, and might never reach that plateau. His fiery father/trainer, Angel Garcia, gave him sound advice between rounds, but as Showtime's analyst Paul Malignaggi noted during the broadcast, Danny's style is not really suited to making adjustments.

Herrera reminds me of retired Mexicans campaigners Daniel Zaragoza and Manuel Medina, both of who fought successfully at the championship level for a long time despite considerable physical disadvantages. They were modest punchers at best, not particularly fast or especially athletic, and worse of all, they were notorious bleeders -- hardly the typical recipe for success.




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Holly Stein/Allsport Hall of Famer Daniel Zaragoza didn't have great speed or power, but exposed a lot of fighters and won 55 during his career.




Even so, Zaragoza and Medina won a lot of fights by making the best use of what they had, which included high boxing IQs and the ability to stay calm under pressure, even with blood pouring down their faces. They threw opponents off stride with unorthodox but savvy movement and pecked away at them with pesky punches, gradually picking up steam as their foes became more and more frustrated. It didn't always work, but Medina won titles at both featherweight and super feather, and Zaragoza in enshrined in the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

Herrera is the same type of fighter. He might not achieve as much as Zaragoza and Medina, but he has displayed many of the same qualities. He knows who he is, what he can do and what he can't, and fights accordingly. Who knows? Maybe on neutral turf and with different judges, Herrera would have taken home the belts. At the absolute least his performance should earn another marquee fight.

Danny Garcia? It could have been just a bad night against a good fighter. It happens to the best of them. Danny has a lot of career ahead of him, but if I were he, I would stay away from clever boxers.

The full article if yall want to read about Wilder: http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/10622654/want-see-more-danny-garcia-deontay-wilder

 

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[firemanBk]

 

[Newzz]

I seen a post on another site about the Deontay Wilder vs Malik Scott fight as simply "Wilder won in the 1st round after Scott turned the boxing ring into a swimming pool"

 

[patscorpio]

you can't sleep on a spoiler...spoilers are my favorite type of boxers and to me the essence of boxing...fighters who are technically sound but not flashy and have a high boxing IQ and typically lack a significant physical advantage or a characteristic other than a chin usually..they fight the toughest/best competition available and they have the ability on any given night to make a boxer with significant physical advantages look bad and/or beat them

 

[surv2syn]

Good Question and Answer on eastsideboxing.com about Danny Garcia, his future at 140 or 147, and comparision to Adrien Broner


I agree of course and I've been touting the same thing over the last year on here

Herrera is not a nobody. he is a nobody to the general public but he is one of those guys that if I were managing a fighter and I thought he had the goods...I would match him up against due the the invaluable experience. If I had a fighter I didnt believe in, Herrera is one of the last guys I would put him in with because he is high risk with very little reward on all fronts.