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Leftovers

 

[Newzz]

Floyd should be used to eating leftovers though......out of his 45 opponents, only 3 of em were undefeated when he fought em. The other 42 were all leftovers


Floyd stans are these excuses he's giving or is he just jabbing Pacquiao, because he's about to fight him next?


If he isnt gonna fight him and has no intentions to do so because Bob Arum is Pac's promoter, then why keep sending shots?

 

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VIRGIL HUNTER INSISTS AMIR KHAN WILL CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR MAYWEATHER: "CAN FLOYD GET AWAY FROM 4 AND 5"
By Ben Thompson | December 26, 2013

BT: When you hear some people say that they'd rather see Maidana get the shot at Floyd, is that surprising considering that his style is...

VH: (Cutting in) The same straight ahead plodding that Floyd is a master at controlling ever since he's come up. People don't realize that at Floyd's weight, when he was a featherweight coming through the amateur ranks, his weight dictated that he fought a lot of Hispanic styles. So he's very accustomed to that. He's one of few Midwest fighters that can handle that rough and tough Hispanic style. If you look at the history of a lot of Midwest fighters, they can't handle that style; and I can give you name after name after name. Even though Roger says the best fighters come from the Midwest, they still have a problem handling that rough and tough style. Floyd is the only one, and possibly Aaron Pryor, although I don't know who he ran into that offered that type of style, but they're the only ones that I see that mastered that particular maulin' brawlin' punching style. I can name you Midwestern fighter after Midwestern fighter that couldn't handle it; from Iran Barkley to Thomas Hearns to, if you wanna go back, to Archie Moore and Marciano, Ezzard Charles and Marciano. I can go on and on and on if I stop and think...so it goes on and on and on. Even Mickey [Bey], who was pitching out a shutout; he was always just a little bit off of Molina's style. Floyd has mastered it though because coming through that amateur system like he does, it's a piece of a cake for him.

BT: Do you think Amir's hand speed and combination punching could potentially keep Mayweather on the defensive long enough to win some close rounds in the eyes of the judges?

VH: Well, I have my theories and I really can't let them out in case, you know, that fight comes about. I'll just say this, he will have to fight a different fight. You're talking to a man who could've been a professional athlete in two sports, but blew it, so I've been an athlete at 37, so I was still playing a high, high level of basketball at 36 and 37, so I know the body pretty good and there was some guys that I could do certain things with and there was some other guys that I couldn't. And I was considered to be very quick, but hey, at 37 years old, when you go up against quickness, you do have to make adjustments. And I'm sure that he's going to prepare for that, but the duplicate is not better than the original. Amir will cause him some problems, and if he gets in a groove, he'll cause him quite a bit of problems because of the styles. He will have to use a different tool to win that fight.

BT: If critics were always right, we would've never got the chance to see upsets like Douglas/Tyson, Mayorga/Forrest, Tarver/Jones, or even Maidana/Broner. Do you think people can be too quick sometimes to write a fighter off based on one or two bad nights at the office?

VH: Well, you know, today's boxing fan is a fickle group and they don't really look at the logistics of this sport. I mean, who can explain Buster Douglas whippin' Mike Tyson. Who can explain that? Nobody saw Shawn beting Devon. Nobody saw Maidana beating Broner. Nobody saw that. So boxing critics and fickle boxing fans really need to take a step back and say, "You know what? Maybe I don't know everything about this sport." It's great to have an opinion; then have an opinion, but, you know, when you do, state that it is your opinion. Don't come off as an expert because Maidana is going to be the same ol' dance, the same ol' tune, and that's not taking anything away from Maidana. He's a great fighter. He's got a great coach. But it's gonna be the same old tune and all it's gonna boil down to is, "He's got a puncher's chance." That's what it's gonna boil down to. But with Amir, it's going to boil down to more things than that. It's gonna be can Floyd solve this kid's speed? Can Floyd keep up with his youthfulness? Can Floyd come from behind to win a fight? Can he slip 4 and 5? Can Floyd get away from 4 and 5?

BT: Okay, so tell today's boxing fan why they don't want to miss a Mayweather vs. Khan clash!

VH: You know what's so funny, Ben? After Floyd fights, they all say the same thing. The first thing they come up with is Floyd's speed; his speed. So quite naturally, everybody that's gone in there against him, he's faster than they are. So every reporter and every person that analysis after Floyd's fight, they can only come up with one thing. "Oh, his speed was intact. He was just too fast, too quick on defense." Well, this is the first fight you won't be able to say that. You're gonna have to say something else. If Floyd beats Amir Khan, you're not going to be able to say speed did it because he does not have the speed advantage here. They're going to have to say he did something else.

Amir, he'll be back in January and he's determined to win that fight if he gets that fight. This fight, I'm telling you, is going to really be an eye-opener. It's going to be a great fight. Anybody who has a boxing mind and knows styles, they know that styles make fights, and these particular styles say automatically it's not going to be a chess match. It's gonna be a dogfight, and what I mean by that is it's not gonna be any slugging, but it's gonna be a busy, busy fight. Because Amir, once he's in a groove, he's not the kind of kid you can lay back and rest on and take a break on. You're going to have to defend yourself, so it's going to be constant. The world needs to see that fight.

You have to go to the Emanuel Burton fight too, which was very interesting during that time; a man who was capable of throwing 4 or 5 punches. It was a very tough fight for Floyd, that fight right there. He admitted it himself. Of course that fight helped Floyd grow leaps and bounds because of the toughness of that fight. So I know Floyd has been in that type of fight before, but he hasn't been in it at 37, and as great an athlete as he is, you can't get around that. You can slow the clock, but you can't stop it, and Amir, with his youth, with his length, with his speed, with the belief that he can win; he's not just gonna look up and be happy to be there, he's coming to win the fight. It's gonna be an interesting fight. I pretty much guarantee that.

Like I said before, and I'm glad Virgil Hunter backs me up on this, Floyd vs Khan will be a better fight than Floyd vs Maidana because Floyd/Khan's styles mesh better.

Khan brings something to the table that Maidana doesnt. Maidana is no different than Guerrero and Alvarez, except he isnt as good and slower.

Khan at least brings height, reach, length, speed, combinations, punching volume to the fight and Floyd will have a more entertaining scrap with Khan, which is good for the boxing fans.

Floyd will beat them both, but at least it will be exciting against Khan when he wins versus another boring victory like he got over Guerrero and Alvarez

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Khan's combos are much better than Maidana

 

[King P]

All that means nothing when you're predictable as fukk and have no real significant punching power.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I would have more confidence in Khan and Virgil Hunter if they would have fought and beaten Alexander or Brook before campaigning for a Mayweather jr fight, but hey Khan has heart and some quick hands I'm sure that's more than enough to warrant a mega fight with the p4p best fighter in the world.

 

[Pimp]

Khan would be a better fight than Madaina because of his speed.. His only problem is his chin.

 

[Ari Gold Bawse]

Khan would be a better fight than Madaina because of his speed.. His only problem is his chin.

His defense is terrible too

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

All that means nothing when you're predictable as fukk and very no real significant punching power.

Exactly and Khans strengths get even further nullified when you are by far the dumbest fighter in the ring...

If this matchup materializes you'd be stupid not to take Floyd by KO...

 

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Victor Ortiz hoping win over Collazo will get him Danny Garcia fight
By Kevin Chittenden | Published December 25, 2013 | 52 Comments

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Former WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz (29-4-2, 22 KO’s) is expecting big things if he can get past 32-year-old former WBA World welterweight champion Luis Collazo (34-5, 17 KO’s) next month in their scheduled 10 round fight on January 30th at the Barclays Center, in Brooklyn, New York, USA.

Ortiz is hoping that a victory over Collazo will get him a big fight against Danny Garcia, the WBA/WBC light welterweight champion. That fight, if it takes place, would be held in the 147 lb. division.


When asked if he wants to fight Danny Garcia immediately after the Collazo fight, Ortiz said “Absolutely, why not? I’ve known Danny for many years. He’s a great fighter, but this is my time. 147 to 154, get out of my way.”

For Ortiz, that be a big jump going from a fighter like Collazo to a quality guy like Garcia after just one fight. It’s not that Ortiz hasn’t been in with guys with a lot of talent, because he’s fought Andre Berto, Marcos Maidana and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the past. But Ortiz has been out of action for a long time with his year and a half layoff, and a fight against Collazo probably isn’t the kind of preparation that you’d like to see from Ortiz to get him ready for a quality fighter like Danny Garcia. It’s almost as if Ortiz is setting himself up for failure again if he goes from a victory over Collazo to a fight against Garcia.

Ortiz was beaten by Josesito Lopez last year in June in a 9th round stoppage. Ortiz probably would have won the fight, but he suffered a broken jaw and had to quit fighting after the 9th. He was ahead on the scorecards at the time that he quit on his stool.

At 26, Ortiz is still young enough to be a major player at 147 or 154 if he can pick up a couple of quick wins over Collazo and Danny Garcia. A victory over Garcia would likely get Ortiz a good payday fight against one of the world champions at 147 or 154. It would definitely get his name back on the map, but it’s difficult to picture Ortiz beating Garcia right now given how he fought in his losses to Maidana, Mayweather and Lopez. It’s definitely possible that Ortiz could beat a guy like Danny Garcia, because he would have the size, reach, speed and power advantage over Garcia. But Ortiz would need to focus the entire fight for that to happen.


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I would like to see Danny Garcia vs Victor Ortiz....that's a good matchup and something I wouldnt mind seeing on Floyd's undercard in May

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Ortiz/Garcia ? LowBlowSet might have a mercenary join their ranks for this one....

 

[Newzz]

Ortiz/Garcia ? LowBlowSet might have a mercenary join their ranks for this one....

I'd have to take Garcia in this fight, simply for the fact that the best fighter I believe Ortiz has beaten is Andre Berto

 

[krackdagawd]

I would have more confidence in Khan and Virgil Hunter if they would have fought and beaten Alexander or Brook before campaigning for a Mayweather jr fight, but hey Khan has heart and some quick hands I'm sure that's more than enough to warrant a mega fight with the p4p best fighter in the world.

You see it.

 

[theflyest]

I think Virgil Hunter is an excellent trainer, but I just don't like the Hunter/Khan combination. Sometimes I feel like a fighter should just embrace who they are, train hard, & try to win with what they got. If it gets you knocked out, at least your giving yourself the best chance to win.

I wouldn't mind him working with Hunter if he lived in the gym between camps. However he's only with him during training camp. That is not enough time to undo over 15 years of bad habits. Virgil knows it. He always talks about the importance of repetition.

 

[California Burrito]

2014 will be the year of fukkery in boxing...