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[patscorpio]

but see...you dont have to cut big checks for undercards. I remember when DKP used to put 5 title fights on a card for like $40! Hell, he did a card with 4 championship fights on it as recently as 2 years ago with the Alexander-Matthysse undercard and that shyt was on HBO! (although Cloud-Mack was the only televised fight)

Remember the B-Hop vs Joppy card? 8 fights....all world championship?

that card featured....

Ruiz vs Rahman
Mayorga vs Spinks
Simms vs Garcia
Judah vs Rangel
Perez vs Machado
Braithwaite vs Pineda
Alvarez vs Burgos

that was 8 title fights!!! including a Heavyweight title fight and a fight that crowned the first undisputed welterweight champion in 16 years!

to DK....he was the KING (no pun) of the stacked cards!

true..arguably the only dud on that card was ruiz-rahman

 

[surv2syn]

The only former elite fighter that looks more finished than Cotto is Dawson.

Trout beat Cotto like 9 rds to 3 and it was never a close fight. I feel Cotto kept the rounds competitive, but he clearly lost most of them. He landed some good left hooks and jabs, but that was it. He ate more than his share of right hooks, uppercuts and jabs tho..

Cotto never stood a chance against Martinez. It's a bad style for him plus he's physically out-gunned.

Random....I'm looking at all these press tour pics with Floyd/Canelo and I swear only like a couple hundred nikkas came out for the one down here in Miami while thousands showed up everywhere else. at Paul Spadafora showing up after Floyd n Canelo left and nobody knowing who he was so his crew had to shout out his record to random nikkas walking by.

Neither Cotto or Dawson are shot. Have they lost a step? Thats likely. I know exactly what a shot fighter looks like. He cant pull the trigger on his shots. He doesnt have legs...I mean to the point to where you push him and he is off balance. He dont have to get punched. Also...each punch bothers them and their reaction is excessive.

Cotto and Dawson are fighters who have huge strengths...but also glaring weaknesses. Dawson got drilled by a hard puncher...that had nothing to do with him being shot. Cotto is fighting top level opposition who are naturally bigger and stronger than he. Cotto is a WW at best.

Also someone mentioned about Dawson catchweight in comparison to Canelo. Dawson went to another division. 7lbs south. Canelo is weighing in at 2lbs under his limit and 1.5lbs less than he did for his last fight. Canelo is a guy who easily makes weight with room to spare. IF you ever see him come in at the limit, its because he feels he needs to based on his opponent.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

GGG vs Murray possibly in November

So Murray ducks Chavez Jr but will fight the dangerous beast GGG??

I wonder why

 

[surv2syn]

true..arguably the only dud on that card was ruiz-rahman

exactly...so dont gimme that crap about the Main Event is going to sell the card. its bullshyt. we need to boycott this shyt. as a matter of fact...I prob wont watch it live.

sike nah....:mike:

but seriously...we are getting royally reamed with these PPVs that have undercards that would barely be Boxing After Dark or Showbox headliners.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Neither Cotto or Dawson are shot. Have they lost a step? Thats likely. I know exactly what a shot fighter looks like. He cant pull the trigger on his shots. He doesnt have legs...I mean to the point to where you push him and he is off balance. He dont have to get punched. Also...each punch bothers them and their reaction is excessive.

Cotto and Dawson are fighters who have huge strengths...but also glaring weaknesses. Dawson got drilled by a hard puncher...that had nothing to do with him being shot. Cotto is fighting top level opposition who are naturally bigger and stronger than he. Cotto is a WW at best.

Also someone mentioned about Dawson catchweight in comparison to Canelo. Dawson went to another division. 7lbs south. Canelo is weighing in at 2lbs under his limit and 1.5lbs less than he did for his last fight. Canelo is a guy who easily makes weight with room to spare. IF you ever see him come in at the limit, its because he feels he needs to based on his opponent.

breh, where you read the word shot at? I never said that.

I said finished and finished and shot are two different things. Shot is what Shane Mosley is right now even though he beat Cano clearly (something a passed it Paulie couldn't do )

Finished means that I don't expect Dawson or Cotto to do anything significant in their careers from here on out. Cotto is definitely passed it and Dawson's punch resistance looks gone, but I wouldn't say their shot. They both could prolly get a win over mid-tier type dudes, but that's it. As far as I'm concerned, both dudes have targets on their backs.

 

[patscorpio]

The only former elite fighter that looks more finished than Cotto is Dawson.

Trout beat Cotto like 9 rds to 3 and it was never a close fight. I feel Cotto kept the rounds competitive, but he clearly lost most of them. He landed some good left hooks and jabs, but that was it. He ate more than his share of right hooks, uppercuts and jabs tho..

Cotto never stood a chance against Martinez. It's a bad style for him plus he's physically out-gunned.

Random....I'm looking at all these press tour pics with Floyd/Canelo and I swear only like a couple hundred nikkas came out for the one down here in Miami while thousands showed up everywhere else. at Paul Spadafora showing up after Floyd n Canelo left and nobody knowing who he was so his crew had to shout out his record to random nikkas walking by.

chad is far from finished...his big problem is he switches trainers for damn every fight he has and he doesn't have a training identity...also his conditioning is spotty too...chad still has ability but at this point of his career needs a trainer tweak..he needs to go back to Floyd sr

 

[surv2syn]

listen brehs.. on the real real real, this thread has a bunch of great guys that post great information that could get something going

of course its different to translate message board posting to a legit website.

forget about the "breaking news" business because espn and the established sites are always gonna have that on lock, until your hypothetical new site gets big

its the same i'm trying to do with american soccer in the near future. boxing is a pretty limited venue, so it's gonna be much quicker to get respectable if you're putting out the quality regularly, especially if you stick to it

but im curious to know what people in this thread think, as far as their boxing news habits. because i really dont care about the interviews, those little elie seckbach pieces (not that they arent good, but its just not my thing) and stuff like that. talking with boxers. i'm more interested in the analysis and articles type of things.

example: steve kim on maxboxing has2-3 articles a week. i'll read the analysis ones, the monday pieces. but the other one is usually an interview with a fighter or a manager about a fighter, and i'll be uninterested in those 9 times out of 10.

interviews and breaking news or some actual writing?

analysis (inside and outside of the ring) and creative writing/original pieces. I am not really into interviews that much..but it depends. I like hearing fighters recant unknown secrets or stories of some of their fights. I want to hear theories like we put together here detailing why fights should be made from a marketability, financial and physical standpoint...almost like we are virtual advisors.

 

[Skip b]

exactly...so dont gimme that crap about the Main Event is going to sell the card. its bullshyt. we need to boycott this shyt. as a matter of fact...I prob wont watch it live.

sike nah....:mike:

but seriously...we are getting royally reamed with these PPVs that have undercards that would barely be Boxing After Dark or Showbox headliners.

https://twitter.com/stevemaxboxing


Rumors are swirling as of now that Garcia vs Mathysse on the undercard for Floyd canelo


GB stay hooking us up if this is the case

 

[surv2syn]

chad is far from finished...his big problem is he switches trainers for damn every fight he has and he doesn't have a training identity...also his conditioning is spotty too...chad still has ability but at this point of his career needs a trainer tweak..he needs to go back to Floyd sr

exactly. he is the same fighter he has always been but its catching up to him now as he fights younger opponents who are as strong as him or as fast as him. he has basically won all his fights off elite athleticism. he is a dumb fighter and showed more respect to Hopkins and Tarver than he did to Stevenson or Ward. He doesnt fight smart, doesnt make adjustments, and as you mentioned above has questionable conditioning and needs a good trainer...WHO HE WILL STICK with. Chad is my boy but outside of the ring he is one of the worst guys I ever seen. Exact opposite of Mayweather. His career could be right back on track with a simple management change. Bring in Ellerbe.

this nikka Chad still being managed by his wife

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

chad is far from finished...his big problem is he switches trainers for damn every fight he has and he doesn't have a training identity...also his conditioning is spotty too...chad still has ability but at this point of his career needs a trainer tweak..he needs to go back to Floyd sr

I highly doubt he'll ever go back to Floyd. nikkas just gotta realize certain people's personalities don't work together. The trainer he got now is good too and he done let that nikka down as well. It is what it is.

I'm looking at shyt realistically. Dawson hardly fights a lot as it is. He needs a series of non-televised bouts against scrubs/fringe contenders in order to work things out, but I doubt that happens. He'll prolly get brought back for some showcase fight late this year or early next year and lose or get a struggle win against a contender with a name or some shyt.

I'm a big Dawson fan so it pains me to write this shyt, but dude looks finished at the top. That's the only reason I even said he's finished in the 1st place, because I don't expect him to beat guys like Cloud, Stevenson, Kovalev, and etc...

 

[surv2syn]

breh, where you read the word shot at? I never said that.

I said finished and finished and shot are two different things. Shot is what Shane Mosley is right now even though he beat Cano clearly (something a passed it Paulie couldn't do )

Finished means that I don't expect Dawson or Cotto to do anything significant in their careers from here on out. Cotto is definitely passed it and Dawson's punch resistance looks gone, but I wouldn't say their shot. They both could prolly get a win over mid-tier type dudes, but that's it. As far as I'm concerned, both dudes have targets on their backs.

dont think it was you that said shot...but you have a point about being finished. Chad's re-emergence is not probable unless he is willing to take short money. He should...if he is hungry. Hell, he got himself into this mess. I doubt he will though. Once you reach the level he has and make that kind of money...ego doesnt allow you to go back to fighting for much less...unless you are broke.

Cotto...he is finished because he will struggle to beat anyone who is at the top of the division. Pretty soon he is headed for stepping stone status.

 

[Skip b]

I highly doubt he'll ever go back to Floyd. nikkas just gotta realize certain people's personalities don't work together. The trainer he got now is good too and he done let that nikka down as well. It is what it is.

I'm looking at shyt realistically. Dawson hardly fights a lot as it is. He needs a series of non-televised bouts against scrubs/fringe contenders in order to work things out, but I doubt that happens. He'll prolly get brought back for some showcase fight late this year or early next year and lose or get a struggle win against a contender with a name or some shyt.

I'm a big Dawson fan so it pains me to write this shyt, but dude looks finished at the top. That's the only reason I even said he's finished in the 1st place, because I don't expect him to beat guys like Cloud, Stevenson, Kovalev, and etc...

Dude was never at the top


People act like he aint get gifts and beat old champions by the skin of his teeth



He cant stand Sr though that wont work, Floyd shytted on him and said how you gonna be a champ and I could do more pullups than you

 

[surv2syn]

Chavez Jr murders Cotto that nikka would like like a $5 Vietnamese whore with all the knees he'd have to take

As far as the Sept 14th PPV with Mares N Santa Cruz fighting on they own date im expecting Guerrero and/or Ortiz on the PPV N maybe even AB

Y'all crying bout the undercard like this is Arum N TR...GBP stay making good quality undercards

I dont see the difference. TR undercards sucked...but Oscar learned from the best. They have some good action fights but I am not a guy who cares about action alone...hell, I can walk outside and see a good fight. I want to see the best fighters being showcased....not a whole bunch of guys with meaningless belts and guys that just turned pro against some tomato can. The Love vs Rosado fight was good but I think they will start matching a lil softer after that mishap.

GBP undercards may have slightly better quality but TR knows what pricepoint to set and what will generate revenue. (smart move by going to Macau) They may not give you a lot but they dont str8 assrape you like GBP be tryin to do. GBP condemned TR and DK for being bad for boxing then come in doing the same shyt but to the nth degree! nikkas like Roy and them in Bucktown.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Dude was never at the top


People act like he aint get gifts and beat old champions by the skin of his teeth



He cant stand Sr though that wont work, Floyd shytted on him and said how you gonna be a champ and I could do more pullups than you

Dawson was at the top of light heavy. Dude beat...
Harding
Adamek
Johnson 2x (1st fight was close but I had Chad winning)
Tarver 2x
Diaconu
Hopkins

Out of all those victories the only fight that was really competitive was the 1st Johnson fight. Then he pitched a damn near shutout in the rematch. He lost to Pascal on a bullshyt stoppage right when he was coming back. He chose to fight at 168 and got slapped around by Ward only to lose again at 175 by a fringe contender at 168...

Now Dawson may not have impressed you that much, but to say he wasn't at the top says more about you than it does about his career/record.

 

[Skip b]

Dawson was at the top of light heavy. Dude beat...
Harding
Adamek
Johnson 2x (1st fight was close but I had Chad winning)
Tarver 2x
Diaconu
Hopkins

Out of all those victories the only fight that was really competitive was the 1st Johnson fight. Then he pitched a damn near shutout in the rematch. He lost to Pascal on a bullshyt stoppage right when he was coming back. He chose to fight at 168 and got slapped around by Ward only to lose again at 175 by a fringe contender at 168...

Now Dawson may not have impressed you that much, but to say he wasn't at the top says more about you than it does about his career/record.

One man's trash is another man's treasure



Dude was never shyt, especially with how overrated and how highly he's touted