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I wish I could give you double dap for this. This is all I have been trying to say for the past day. Plain and simple. Now these clowns saying JMM bitter because Canelo getting hype. Maybe, but does he have a right to be if he is? Marquez took a hard road up and I am sure he gets a lil irked by people hailing this guy as the next big thing when he aint done chit! Marquez was twice the fighter Canelo was when he fought a close fight with Norwood...who at that time was a better fighter than Trout is today. He was a good fighter his whole career but didnt really get his opportunity until years after fighters like MAB and Morales had made millions and became living legends...yet, he actually was a peer of theirs. In fact JMM older than MAB or Morales!!!

ANYONE saying Canelo is elite because he beat Trout :udontknow:

 

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2 totally different styles. 1(trout) is a Southpaw who uses his jab very well but doesnt throw it with conviction. More of a get the fukk off of me jab. The other which is floyd is a Counter puncher that can mix it up on the inside.

Couple things Canelo want be able to do with floyd...

Not take rounds off(canelo never fights the whole round)
He gasses easily
his foot work isnt good(although better still not good)
His doent have a solid jab
He will make mistakes(And when he makes them floyd will make him pay)
He will try to box with floyd(which would be a dumb idea)
He is to patient(if he waits floyd will be banking those rounds in with the more Cleaner punches)

and last but not least he wont have those bullshyt ass judges to give him rounds because he is canelo.

great breakdown...also he wont be able to cut the ring off against Floyd. which he really wasnt able to do that against Trout either.

where Canelo was able to land on Trout somewhat...that's not an easy thing to do. Trout is an excellent defensive fighter. Floyd is the best though. How Rigo froze Donaire, I liken that to how Floyd would freeze Canelo. (freeze meaning Canelo would have a hard time pulling the trigger)

 

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great breakdown...also he wont be able to cut the ring off against Floyd. which he really wasnt able to do that against Trout either.

where Canelo was able to land on Trout somewhat...that's not an easy thing to do. Trout is an excellent defensive fighter. Floyd is the best though. How Rigo froze Donaire, I liken that to how Floyd would freeze Canelo. (freeze meaning Canelo would have a hard time pulling the trigger)

Floyd power at JMW is also far greater than Trout's who Floyd who was able to hurt cotto at will

 

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We do want to see it......just be patient, B. Canelo hasn't even headlined a big PPV yet, give it some time to marinate. Floyd beats him now it won't mean anything. Hell, there's no guarantee Trout wouldn't win a rematch, that fight was close.

Canelo can take on Cotto, Angulo/Lara winner and Molina/Smith winner, Trout II

Mayweather can take on Pac-Man, 140lb tourny winner, Alexander, Khan

^^Just a general lay-out, don't get all bytchy peeps

If you want a MEGA FIGHT, then you gotta build up interest, don't let the SanAntonio crowd fool you, a lot of people still don't know who Canelo is. Let it muuurrrrinate

first line is true...its not a legacy fight. Martinez is much more of a legacy fight or example of one. when FMJ dominates this fool, then all we gonna hear is how he was only 22 and wasnt ready. why wait til it happens to realize that chit right now?

second line is true....if this fight is in a neutral site with neutral judges and Trout doesnt get KD....he would win 10 times out of 10 off ring generalship alone.

 

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I'd be shocked if Canelo vs Floyd was made in September

Canelo wants his own PPV this September which will most likely be Cotto....which is perfect for Canelo he gets a big name opponent N an easy fight to look great.... plus PR vs Mex on a Mexico holiday

Not to mention Canelo vs Cotto > Bradley vs JMM as far as ppv sales go which sticks it to Arum N HBO

Mayweather stays busy vs Alexander

Canelo murders Cotto

May Day 2014 the hype will be strong N do huge numbers

Errybody eats

 

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I'd be shocked if Canelo vs Floyd was made in September

Canelo wants his own PPV this September which will most likely be Cotto....which is perfect for Canelo he gets a big name opponent N an easy fight to look great.... plus PR vs Mex on a Mexico holiday

Not to mention Canelo vs Cotto > Bradley vs JMM as far as ppv sales go which sticks it to Arum N HBO

Mayweather stays busy vs Alexander

Canelo murders Cotto

May Day 2014 the hype will be strong N do huge numbers

Errybody eats

see, thats what I'm talmbout. what the hell is the rush? well, I take that back, lol, FMJ aint gettin younger...but still. Canelo dont need Floyd to make money...he can fight Cotto and if JCCjr can get back in the win column that would be a MAJOR fight for the Mexican community. Then as FMJ contract is winding down...that would be a Mega Fight. Right now I dont see it as a Mega Fight, more like Mega Hype.

 

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Floyd power at JMW is also far greater than Trout's who Floyd who was able to hurt cotto at will

I really dont like to bad mouth Trout because he is a decent fighter...but he screwed himself too. He just didnt sit down enough. He hurt Canelo to the body and didnt follow up. So comparing the shots that he landed on Canelo and the kind of sting that Floyd would put on him is absurd. Floyd has small hands, but still, his accuracy, technique, and speed is enough to keep a guy like Canelo from rushing in.

I know I am in the minority here, but its not a fight I am excited about at the moment. I am more excited with Guerrero honestly because he does know how to fight and has good IQ. If Canelo couldnt dominate the light hitting Trout...I just dont see what he has for :moneymay:

 

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see, thats what I'm talmbout. what the hell is the rush? well, I take that back, lol, FMJ aint gettin younger...but still. Canelo dont need Floyd to make money...he can fight Cotto and if JCCjr can get back in the win column that would be a MAJOR fight for the Mexican community. Then as FMJ contract is winding down...that would be a Mega Fight. Right now I dont see it as a Mega Fight, more like Mega Hype.

This.......... nikkas is foolish he cant even fully speaking english yet to build the fight, which has been the rush recently with that, by next year he'll be ready in all facets; if he doesnt take any more l's like the one he dodged Saturday. GB aint rushing him to the Floyd train which is why they made the false beef, with Mayweather refusing to sign when they knew damn well they told Cotto to go away til Sept, and May wasnt on the table, he didnt even call May out after the victory he said maybe he dont want that fight, and it's not on the table

 

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I really dont like to bad mouth Trout because he is a decent fighter...but he screwed himself too. He just didnt sit down enough. He hurt Canelo to the body and didnt follow up. So comparing the shots that he landed on Canelo and the kind of sting that Floyd would put on him is absurd. Floyd has small hands, but still, his accuracy, technique, and speed is enough to keep a guy like Canelo from rushing in.

I know I am in the minority here, but its not a fight I am excited about at the moment. I am more excited with Guerrero honestly because he does know how to fight and has good IQ. If Canelo couldnt dominate the light hitting Trout...I just dont see what he has for Money May.

Trout dont need to be bad mouthed he's a young fighter that won imo, he's very flawed though

 

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Anybody was see Trout vs Ortiz?


I would

 

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wait....you nikkas in here bobbin and weavin did yall nikkas answer my question from earlier? in case you missed it, I asked...

"if Canelo's people are so confident in him, why did he have a rematch clause and Trout didnt?

I am still waiting.....

 

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Anybody was see Trout vs Ortiz?


I would

Ortiz wins


Trout chin is very suspect, Canelo and Cotto both buzzed him numerous times, Ortiz has legit power

 

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Canelo vs Trout - Press and Fans Stats

By Bobby Hunter


After a long day I can finally reveal my findings concerning the fight between Canelo Alvarez and Austin Trout. I was able to collect 194 scores from Press and fans for this fight which was deemed to be a close one with the exception of the ringside judges. You will see in the scores below that the Press had Canelo narrowly ahead in the 45 scores collected whilst the fans on twitter and all the best boxing forums had Trout winning by a decent margin In total the fans sent in 149 scores. Thanks.

My score for the fight was 114-114 a draw but I did have Trout winning 6-5-1 in rounds but gave Canelo the 10-8 for his knockdown scored in the 7th round.

Below is the totals for all the scores, followed by a breakdown of Press then Fan scores. I have as always listed and named every score from the Press and named the boxing forums who send in so many scores.


TOTAL: 194 SCORES.......TROUT 106..........CANELO 81........DRAW 7


PRESS: 45 SCORES...........TROUT 19............CANELO 23........DRAW 3


FANS: 149 SCORES...........TROUT 87............CANELO 58........DRAW 4




List of Press and Fan Forum Scores

Matthew Mojica (Fightsource) 115-112 Trout

Al Bernstein (Showtime TV) 114-114 Draw

Steve Farhood (Showtime TV) 114-113 Canelo

Paulie Malignaggi (Showtime TV) 115-114 Canelo

Dan Rafael (ESPN) 114-113 Canelo

Ryan Burton (BoxingLab) 115-112 Canelo

Pro-Boxing Jake 114-113 Canelo

Billy Ferguson (UKFighthype) 114-113 Canelo

The Boxing Tribune 114-113 Canelo

Ryan Maquinana (Boxing Inside) 114-113 Trout

FightersRated 115-112 Canelo

Corey Quincy (Fighthype) 116-111 Canelo

Brian Campbell (ESPN) 115-112 Trout

Fightnews 114-113 Canelo

Roe (***************) 114-113 Canelo

Victor Salazar (Thaboxingvoice) 115-112 Canelo

Paddy Cronan (Onthegrindboxing) 114-113 Trout

Jorge Hernandez (LowBlow Radio) 114-113 Trout

Tom Gray (RingMagazine) 114-113 Trout

Phil D Jay (Worldboxingnews) 115-112 Canelo

Alex Morris (KTC Boxing) 114-113 Trout

Cliff Roid (***********) 116-111 Trout

Wolfgang Schiffbauer (Fightnews) 116-111 Trout

John A MacDonald (Thaboxingvoice) 115-112 Trout

Lee John Wyle (Freelance) 115-112 Trout

Tommy Allan (Boxingasylum) 114-114 Draw

Steve Lillis (Boxnation TV) 115-114 Trout

Steve Zemach (Queensbury Rules) 114-113 Trout

David Lotts (Freelance) 114-113 Canelo

Mark Ortega (RingMagazine) 114-113 Trout

Ray Markarian (TheSweetScience) 115-112 Trout

Kieran Muvaney (ESPN) 115-112 Canelo

Terry Dooley (***********) 116-111 Canelo

Jake Donovan (***********) 115-112 Canelo

Nes (Thaboxingvoice) 114-113 Trout

Ramon Aranda (3morerounds) 114-113 Canelo

Ernest Gabion (BoxingLab) 114-113 Trout

Kelsey McCarson (Thesweetscience) 116-111 Canelo

Steve Bunce (Boxnation TV) 115-113 Canelo

Rob Day (RingNews24) 114-113 Canelo

Luis Sandoval (Boxinglab) 114-113 Canelo

Josh McDaniel (Leaveitintheringradio) 114-113 Canelo

Nigel Collins (ESPN) 115-114 Canelo

Gabriel Montoya (LeaveitintheringRadio) 114-113 Trout



Gareth Brown (twitter fan) 114-114 Draw

JMckBoxingmadmag (twitter fan) 115-112 Trout

Ben Randall (twitter fan) 115-113 Canelo

Cole Christensen (twitter) 114-113 Canelo

Adam Gerston (twitter fan) 115-112 Trout

Adam Warburton (twitter fan) 114-113 Canelo

Alasdair Hendrie (Twitter fan) 115-112 Canelo

Grubby Jim ( twitter fan ) 114-113 Trout

Alex McIntock (twitter fan) 115-112 Canelo

Jasper (twitter fan) 115-113 Trout

Miguel Rodriguez (twitter fan) 114-113 Canelo



Saddo boxing Forum - 115-114 Trout.......115-112 , 114-113 Canelo

Boxingasylum Forum - 115-112 x4, 115-113 Trout........114-113 x2, 115-112 x3 Canelo

Livefight Forum - 114-113 x3, 115-112 Trout...............115-112 x2 Canelo

Fighthype Forum - 115-112 x4, 115-114 Trout

Ringnews24 Forum - 119-110 Canelo

Doghouseboxing Forum - 116-113, 114-113 Trout...........114-113, 115-112 x2 Canelo

Thesweetscience Forum - 114-113 Canelo


Boxrec Forum - 115-112 x6, 116-111 x2, 115-113 x2, 115-114, 114-113 Trout

114-113 x3, 115-112 x3, 115-113 x2, 116-111 x2, 117-110 Canelo

114-114 x2 Draw


Eastsideboxing Forum - 114-113 x14, 115-112 x9, 115-114 x2, 115-113 x2, 116-114,
117-112, 116-113 (all for Trout)

114-113 X6, 115-112 X5, 116-111 X2, 116-113, 116-114, 116-112
115-114, (all for Canelo)

114-114 x2 Draw



*********** Forum - 114-113 x7, 115-112 x6, 115-113 x2, 115-114 x2, 116-111 Trout

114-113 x7, 116-111 x2, 115-112 Canelo


Checkhook Boxing Forum - 114-113 x2, 116-112 Trout


Boxing Palace Forum - 115-112 Trout.....

 

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So you'd rather watch Floyd fight tomato cans on his way out?

That's the difference between a "stan" and a "fan"...A fan wants to seen the best possible fights, a stan just wants to make sure his idol keeps winning...

And please don't tell me you Seriously don't believe featherfisted Timmy is more of a challenge than ginger...That fight will never happen because of Arum and even if it did that's easy work for Floyd and I'm one of Timmy's 5 fans...

What makes Canelo a legacy fight? He's a young raging bull WBA/WBC strap holder with all of Mexico on his shoulders...Most importantly he offers a legitimate challenge which is something none of the WW strap holders do...

The three best possible fights right now for Floyd are Sergio, Canelo and Pac...The easiest one to make is Canelo due to there being no network/promoter hurdles...Sergio is by far the most intriguing fight out of the three for me but he has a contract with HBO and it's unknown if he can actually still make 154...As for Pac I think by now we all know the deal with that...

Canelo aint beatin Floyd. I aint a Floyd stan....I mean is Canelo the best you can come up with? If so, it aint enough.

them fukkin meaningless belts...lol. WBC...hmm, he got that from Matthew Hatton right? vacant chit. WBA? hmm, Floyd still super champ, he dont need that raggedy ass belt.

again, thats not the best possible fight, it is the best possible hype.

 

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Canelo aint beatin Floyd. I aint a Floyd stan....I mean is Canelo the best you can come up with? If so, it aint enough.

them fukkin meaningless belts...lol. WBC...hmm, he got that from Matthew Hatton right? vacant chit. WBA? hmm, Floyd still super champ, he dont need that raggedy ass belt.

again, thats not the best possible fight, it is the best possible hype.

The winner of the 140 tournament is the best and sexiest fight whether that be Garcia or Matthysse.




Imagine how Floyd with his best of all time D by numbers will cripple Canelo already shytty workrate, dude be sucking wind like its his first time in the gym and he's ready for the best, after majority of boxing experts felt he got exposed, yall nikkas really need to stop it