ChocolateGiddyUp
Superstar
Of course they won’t ... which is why I think Swift gonna some how pull the shyt out N there’s goin be fukkery overload
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Of course they won’t ... which is why I think Swift gonna some how pull the shyt out N there’s goin be fukkery overload
Bigblackted4
Superstar
Let’s go Spence has to have shown crazy stuff in training
if danny wins and it falls in line with my thoughts on spence post crash = no credit and spence is a fool for not taking a tuneup
if spence wins (dominant) = then i laugh at danny garcia
if spence wins (struggle) = i laugh at danny garcia and continue to have my misgivings on spence post accident
a draw = lets just make the gotdamn crawford or pac fight to unify some belts
if spence wins (dominant) = then i laugh at danny garcia
if spence wins (struggle) = i laugh at danny garcia and continue to have my misgivings on spence post accident
a draw = lets just make the gotdamn crawford or pac fight to unify some belts
ChocolateGiddyUp
Superstar
if danny wins and it falls in line with my thoughts on spence post crash = no credit and spence is a fool for not taking a tuneup
if spence wins (dominant) = then i laugh at danny garcia
if spence wins (struggle) = i laugh at danny garcia and continue to have my misgivings on spence post accident
a draw = lets just make the gotdamn crawford or pac fight to unify some belts
I am goin to be unbearable... you thought the Matthysse victory lap was bad just you wait... all discrediting you will try to do will fall on deaf ears
A unified 147 Danny Swift Garcia
you forget im no spence fan or stanI am goin to be unbearable... you thought the Matthysse victory lap was bad just you wait... all discrediting you will try to do will fall on deaf ears
A unified 147 Danny Swift Garcia
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Hard-nosed Freddie Pendleton rose from the mean streets of Philadelphia to become an unlikely lightweight world titleholder in the early 1990s.
Pendleton was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on January 5, 1963 and was the middle child of 11 brothers and sisters. His family moved around the city, and he was never far from trouble.
“I came up hard, fighting all the time,” Pendleton told The Ring. “My experiences weren’t good. At the time, there was a gang situation and everybody wanted to put you in their gang. If you didn’t get in a gang, you’d get threatened all the time. I just dealt with it.”
The 12th grade dropout worked at a local convenience store to help his mother pay the bills. One day he got into an altercation with his sister and was encouraged by his mother’s boyfriend to visit the local boxing gym.
“I didn’t plan on staying but I actually liked it,” Pendleton recalled. “Two weeks later, the guy told me I didn’t have to pay any gym dues because I learned and picked things up like it was natural.”
However, looking back, the former titleholder believes this was to his detriment. “The guy used me – I didn’t know at the time, ” said Pendleton, who only had six amateur fights. “He saw I had a lot of talent, but he didn’t groom me the right way.
“My first fight ever was in junior open class. I should be in the novice section. I would have won the novice division easily. He puts me in the junior open, I end up fighting for the title, beat the guy up, and they rob me.”
In November 1981, Pendleton turned professional, losing a debatable decision. After six professional fights, Pendleton’s record stood at a modest 2-4. “Fearless” Freddie was 9-7-1 when he was offered a fight with former world titleholder Hilmer Kenty.
“That was highway robbery, I beat him from pillar to post” said Pendleton, who lost a 12-round unanimous decision. “Everybody expected me to get knocked out, and when I beat him up like that, I pissed off a lot of people in Detroit.”
Two month later, Pendleton was playing basketball when the telephone rang His sister took a message from his manager with an offer to face highly regarded prospect Tyrone Trice.
“They called me on five days’ notice, I wasn’t even in the gym,” said Pendleton. “I needed money and my manager told me it was $5,000. He knew he could get me to fight for that money. Everybody was expecting me to lose.
“You could see the confidence that he was going to just walk in there and destroy me. I expected a tough fight, and then the first shot I caught him with he’s down. I knew I was the outsider, so I went after him and put him away. That was one of the biggest wins early in my career.”
Although Pendleton had laid down a marker, he still found himself on the wrong end of several dubious decisions. The upset-minded fighter kept himself in the hunt, beating former world titleholders Roger Mayweather (KO 6) and Livingstone Bramble (TKO 10). The latter earned him the USBA title and an IBF ranking.
In February 1990, Pendleton fought Pernell Whitaker for the IBF and WBC titles.
“I felt I showed up pretty well in that fight,” he recalled. “A lot of people told me that I won. I said, ‘No, I didn’t win. I did very well, but I didn’t win.’
“After the fight, I was walking on the Boardwalk and I saw (Whitaker) and his mother. She came over to me, hugged me and said, ‘I never saw anyone in his whole career handle my son like you did. I was scared from Round 1 to Round 12 that you were going to hurt my baby.'”
Pendleton (right) attacks Pernell Whitaker. Photo from The Ring archive
Pendleton won eight consecutive fights and was matched with Tracy Spann for the IBF title that Whitaker had vacated. The rugged slugger was down in the opening round and cut from a head-clash in the second round. The fight was halted and declared a technical draw.
The two met again in early 1993 and this time Pendleton outboxed Spann to win the title.
“I always knew I was one of the best,” he said. “I knew I was championship material. When I got the championship, it felt good to legitimize myself as one of the best in the world with everything against me.”
In his first defense, Pendleton turned back the challenge of Jorge Paez before dropping the title to Rafael Ruelas in February 1994.
Pendleton fought for the world title three more times, losing to Felix Trinidad (KO 5), Vince Phillips (TKO 10) and James Page (TKO 11).
After losing to the hugely popular Ricky Hatton in Manchester, England in October 2001, Pendleton (47-26-5, 35 knockouts) decided to hang up the gloves.
Now 57, the former titleholder lives in Miami, Florida. He is divorced and has two sons and one granddaughter. Pendleton teaches boxing and has worked with, among others, Randall Bailey and Adolpho Washington.
He graciously took time to speak to The Ring about the best he fought in 10 key categories.
BEST JAB
Roger Mayweather: There’s two guys who had very good jabs – Jimmy Paul was one and the other was Roger Mayweather. Jimmy Paul had the strongest jab. The way he used his jab and set you up, and the way he did it was crafty and shut off a lot of your offense. Roger had the most effective jab, he had the speed and the power. His jab had a way of forcing you out, so if you couldn’t get around it, you’d be in a lot of trouble.
BEST DEFENSE
Pernell Whitaker: He had a great defense; it was perfect.
BEST HANDSPEED
Whitaker: (Laughs) I never faced anyone as fast as Pernell. Nobody even came close, he was the only one who was able to deal with me. That’s what kept him alive (laughs].
BEST FOOTWORK
Whitaker: (Laughs) It brings me right back to the same person. Pernell Whitaker backed up into the corner, and that’s one of the most dangerous places to be when you’re fighting me. I opened up with a three, four-punch combination and never hit him with a shot. He was completely on balance, I never seen a guy do that.
SMARTEST
Whitaker: Pernell was definitely the smartest. I put some serious pressure on him and he was able to maneuver his way around and keep himself from getting hit by a big shot.
STRONGEST
James Page: When he came to the weigh-in I laughed ‘cause he was so skinny, but by the time we got into the ring it looked like they pumped some muscles into him because everything looked bigger. He looked like a complete monster when he came into the ring. He was creature strong.
BEST CHIN
Jorge Paez: Frankie Randall took a helluva shot. I know I caught him with a few shots and he was able to survive. Vince Phillips took a good shot. James Page had a good chin. Paez took a really good shot; I hit him with missiles. I put him down twice, he kept getting up and fighting, putting pressure on me to win the fight. Most guys when I put them on their behind it was over.
BEST PUNCHER
Mayweather: He hit me with a shot in the middle of the first round and it felt like it shook my damn skull. I never been hit that hard before. I knew I can’t get hit like that again. Trinidad never hit me with anything. People ask me how powerful he is and I tell them, ‘Ask him ’cause he never hit me with anything significant.’ Roger hit me with a good shot, James Page hit me with a big shot and hurt me. I don’t mind telling people I’ve been hurt, but I can’t legitimately say how powerful Trinidad is because I don’t know. Every time he planted [his feet], I stepped back and he couldn’t let go because I’m not there anymore. That was frustrating him. You know who noticed that? Bernard Hopkins, he fought using my exact plan and beat him.
BEST BOXING SKILLS
Whitaker: That’s Pernell by a landslide. He could do everything; he did some shyt I’ve never seen before. Pernell was by far the most skilled boxer I’ve been in the ring with and I went in with some of the best. Trinidad was a very skilled fighter. He was definitely one of the top fighters in the game.
BEST OVERALL
Whitaker: Pernell was the best fighter I faced in my division and a couple of divisions higher.
GARCIA, HANEY AND JACOBS KICK-OFF ‘THE ROUNDS’
Three superstars of boxing join Chris Algieri to launch new show
Mikey Garcia, Devin Haney and Daniel Jacobs discussed the highs and lows of their careers in the first episode of a new Matchroom Boxing YouTube show called ‘The Rounds’ with former World champion Chris Algieri.
WATCH EPISODE ONE OF ‘THE ROUNDS’ AS GARCIA, HANEY AND JACOBS JOIN ALGIERI
Each week, ‘The Rounds’ will feature Algieri and some of boxing’s best and brightest getting into deep dives on some of the specifics that make the Sweet Science tick, from making weight to fighting on the road, and from being an Olympian to facing retirement.
The first episode focuses on the hard times and setbacks that fighters have to endure along with the huge highs that they experience. All three men have won World titles and reaped the rich rewards, but first in the show, they revealed the struggles behind those successes.
Garcia on growing up in Oxnard, California.
“It was a very humble upbringing in Oxnard. My parents would come home after working in the strawberry fields for hours, my dad would go straight to the gym when he got home. I went to the gym as a kid to see my brother and others work out, but some people there didn’t make it.
“They got involved in gang-related activity and went to jail or got shot and stabbed. But the gym was a safe place, everyone that came to the gym aspired to do something better and most of the kids stayed on the right track because of boxing. Some of them didn’t make it in boxing, but they stayed off the streets because of the gym.”
Haney on missing out on the Olympics
“I was preparing at the Team USA training center and I was flying all over the world and fighting in Italy, Russia, Czech Republic, preparing to go to the Olympics. I was away from my family, I was doing online schooling, getting my mind ready to hopefully go to the Olympics.
“Then they changed the age rules, and I was in Colorado Springs when it happened, it was heartbreaking. It was always my dream to go to the Olympics and represent my country. Once I knew that it was impossible to go to the Olympics, we had to move forward, I said I was going to train and develop my pro style and become a pro fighter. I was going to turn pro in Mexico at the age of 16, but people were telling me not to do it, that it was corrupt over there and that I might get a bad decision, because at the time, not many people were going over there to do that, but now it’s changed.
“So, we prepared a little longer and the I was 17 that’s when I made my debut in Mexico. It was crazy, I didn’t know what to expect, the whole crowd was against me, it was a bar, 600-700 people all against me and I had to fight, but I feel it developed me in the right way.”
Jacobs on losing his Grandma before fighting and losing to Dmitry Pirog in a World title fight
“My Grandma was like my Mom and it hurt so deeply. I lost her days before the Pirog fight. We were all around her hospital bed literally days before the fight and I had to mentally wrap my head around it all as a young man. You really need time to digest a loss like that, and I was trying to do it in her honor.
“I was trying to psyche myself up to perform under that pressure and with those emotions, it was very challenging and that moment where I knew that things weren’t going to go well before I walked out of the locker room, I was zoned out, I was focused on the fight and ready to perform, but a subtle thought of my Grandma just had me crackling down, literally as I was walking. I had to suck it up and go out there and fight the best way I knew how with the stress that I was under, being such a young man, I was immature at the time and I needed time to grieve the passing of my Grandma and I learned the hard way, but in learning that, now I know that boxing is truly mostly a mental sport.
“As much as you go in there and you physically aim to knock the guy out, you have to be mentally prepared for battle, because you can go in there with a guy you know you can beat or challenge, but if you are not mentally equipped, the physical side we had 100 per cent, we learnt some valuable lessons for the future and we moved on for the better. I’ve learned so much from all three of my defeats, people take a lot of pride from having an ‘0’ and there’s nothing wrong with that, but I think there’s something valuable from losing if you give it your all, you don’t quit and it’s honorable.”
OGBobbyJohnson
Veteran
Swift could actually win but the last few times i've seen him fight
Edit: I just googled..Why has Garcia only fought twice since 2018
Bigblackted4
Superstar
I might actually be depressed mad on here if that happens I’m gone turn into that AJ Stan from the UKI am goin to be unbearable... you thought the Matthysse victory lap was bad just you wait... all discrediting you will try to do will fall on deaf ears
A unified 147 Danny Swift Garcia
because he doesn't move right..thats the quick answerEdit: I just googled..Why has Garcia only fought twice since 2018
Conscious Pilot
Do Better.
After a while it seems like... high Profile PBC fighters only go once a yearSwift could actually win but the last few times i've seen him fight
Edit: I just googled..Why has Garcia only fought twice since 2018
ChocolateGiddyUp
Superstar
Swift could actually win but the last few times i've seen him fight
Edit: I just googled..Why has Garcia only fought twice since 2018
After Granados ... he was in the running for
fight... manny chose One Time... So they went after Mikey Garcia... Mikey ended up turning it down .... Swift then went after Spence N Spence immediately got into the accident
@patscorpio knows this
... Moving right to him is fighting Mongolia’s best after a 16 month layoff
reservoirdogs
Superstar
I believe it to Spence that he will be more or less alright. He doesn't have to take stupid risk and brawl with Swift but box him like he did Mikey and he'll be good. Garcia is dangerous in exchanges but hasn't got the dynamism and pace of Porter to close the distance.