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reservoirdogs said:
Wilder Laughs: Joshua, Hearn Definitely 'Begging' Now To Fight!



Watch how this guy gonna miss out on his chance to be undisputed cause he too emotional about Joshua and Hearn. Rather holding some stupid grudge than get the business done.
It will end in crying cause Fury most likely beats him on the rematch and then all he can have gonna be some made up moral victory over Joshua but he can say goodbye for being undisputed.

As a boxing fan I'm totally ok with the immediate rematch (I'd like AJ vs Wilder as well maybe even more so due to the almost certain KO factor but I like the rematch too) but if I'd be Wilder's manager/promoter, etc... I'd bang my head in the wall hearing all this stuff from him except if they are as delusional as him.
Granted, if he somehow beats Fury next he gonna be in an even better position but I can't see how his team can be confident enough to bank on that happening after seeing the first fight. He blew his best shot to beat Fury imo, it's only getting worse for him on the rematch for multiple reasons.

Also he's talking about Joshua not fighting Ortiz like it would be some huge stuff. Joshua fought Klitschko who was better than Ortiz imo, fought a late replacement of a mandatory (Takam), unified with Parker and fought another mandatory in Povetkin who is also on a similar level as Ortiz but surely not worse (or better) by consensus. When he should have fight Ortiz?
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It should be personal. They led him on. Now it's time for a rematch..he has to put up or shut up like Floyd once did against Castillo.
 
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reservoirdogs said:
What I'm saying is that if my prediction is right (admittedly not 100%) this is their last chance to make that fight and for that fight to be very significant.

What I think gonna happen:

They will rematch Fury
he gonna lose to Fury
big HW fight gonna be AJ vs Fury and it's gonna happen in the UK
maybe Wilder can fight one of them sometimes but not in a position nearly as good as he is in now

You can justify him being emotional all you want but at the end of the day it still gonna result in a bad career choice for him.
But you know what you're right in Wilder the fighter probably thinking he gonna just beat Fury on the rematch but idk what the hell his team is doing if they don't try to talk him into the Joshua fight instead the Fury one (maybe they do actually idk).

Bigger chance of getting destroyed but it's the most lucrative HW fight out there for all the belts as of now and also probably a better chance for them to win it than against Fury after already being in there 12 rounds with Wilder and getting into even better shape.

And that 50-50 basically depends on whether Hearn and Joshua would be willing to overpay or not cause pursue splits still don't depend on popularity among hardcore boxing fans. It depends on how many seats they can fill ad how many ppl watch them on TV. Joshua is clearly still the biggest name in HW.
"Not in the States". Yeah I know but that doesn't mean anything if he makes more bread than anybody not named Canelo in the States.
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Honestly.. What's the point in going after AJ if he cant beat Tyson Fury.. He goes after AJ they will just claim he's ducking Fury.. Racist and biased cac media will still claim Tyson is the true champ at HW even if Wilder beats AJ now and becomes undisputed.. That's just how it goes here. If he loses to Fury then he loses. His career isn't over

And the purse split just dont depend on butts in the seat.. that's an old narrative Ass Juice and Eddie is trying to push in the media because if this was the case AJ would've got the 360 million deal instead of Canelo.. Purse split is determined by Revenue generated.. AJ only generates revenue in the UK which has a very low ceiling. Wilder and Fury just became global stars selling ppvs in both countrys.

If AJ wants Wilder to leave his country and come over to the UK to fight on an app.. They are gonna have to come out the pocket some more.. Its simple as that
 
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I still feel like Loma should have taken the Pac fight. All that "I don't wanna build my name off a older fighter" just sounds like he doubts he can take the old man's punch.
I think he more shook of the aftermath cuz if he beats Pac which ain't a given, he's gonna be stuck having to fight naturally bigger guys at 140 who will be in their prime and could possibly wreck his shyt.

Tank the only big fight on the horizon for him. Aint much left after that, until someone new emerges.

I doubt the Mikey fight ever happens anyway.
 
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LauderdaleBoss said:
I still feel like Loma should have taken the Pac fight. All that "I don't wanna build my name off a older fighter" just sounds like he doubts he can take the old man's punch.
I think he more shook of the aftermath cuz if he beats Pac which ain't a given, he's gonna be stuck having to fight naturally bigger guys at 140 who will be in their prime and could possibly wreck his shyt.

Tank the only big fight on the horizon for him. Aint much left after that, until someone new emerges.

I doubt the Mikey fight ever happens anyway.
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can you blame him? He shouldn't be forced into shyt.
Let him dictate his own legacy.
 
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patscorpio said:
the worst thing theyve done is speed lomachenko through the divisions like they have done...he should have spent some more time at either 126 or 130 before moving up to 135
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they wanted to surpass and get rid of the modern legend and Great..Yes..Mr Floyd Mayweather jnr...my take on it. And Brother Pat, you know i don;t jock on fighter's regarding race, only maybe their sexyness..lol
on the real, i keep it one hundred.
 
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LauderdaleBoss said:
I still feel like Loma should have taken the Pac fight. All that "I don't wanna build my name off a older fighter" just sounds like he doubts he can take the old man's punch.
I think he more shook of the aftermath cuz if he beats Pac which ain't a given, he's gonna be stuck having to fight naturally bigger guys at 140 who will be in their prime and could possibly wreck his shyt.

Tank the only big fight on the horizon for him. Aint much left after that, until someone new emerges.

I doubt the Mikey fight ever happens anyway.
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He would have lost or taken too much punishment risk not worth the reward
 
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Black_Jesus said:
Honestly.. What's the point in going after AJ if he cant beat Tyson Fury.. He goes after AJ they will just claim he's ducking Fury.. Racist and biased cac media will still claim Tyson is the true champ at HW even if Wilder beats AJ now and becomes undisputed.. That's just how it goes here. If he loses to Fury then he loses. His career isn't over

And the purse split just dont depend on butts in the seat.. that's an old narrative Ass Juice and Eddie is trying to push in the media because if this was the case AJ would've got the 360 million deal instead of Canelo.. Purse split is determined by Revenue generated.. AJ only generates revenue in the UK which has a very low ceiling. Wilder and Fury just became global stars selling ppvs in both countrys.

If AJ wants Wilder to leave his country and come over to the UK to fight on an app.. They are gonna have to come out the pocket some more.. Its simple as that
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I know revenue but even counting with revenue Joshua vs Klitschko still did better in the UK than Wilder vs Fury.

And other than that I can understand why AJ and Hearn and now even Fury want the fights to be in the UK. They are tired of the little brother role when basically they run HW. Your country runs the division, you are putting tens of thousand asses in the seats and sell a lot of PPVs but you leave your fans behind cause you are getting requests from American fighters and promoters to do shyt there cause the Vegas casino money and myths like "you can't make it big outside the US"? It doesn't work like that.

I also wouldn't want others to dictate shyt to me based on traditions and myths when my shyt is popping and not theirs atm.
 
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