Looks like wilder needs a nutritionist in his camp. for real
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I'll bite
Because there are some other numbers to give some context :
- vasyl lomachenko
- starting career - 126 at 25 yo (2013)
- 3rd weight class - 135 in his 5th year at 30 (2018)
- 140 in 2020 at 32 (4th wc) ?
- roberto duran
- starting career - 135 at 17 yo (1968)
- 3rd weight class - 154 in his 14th year at 31 (1982)
- 140 at 21 (2nc wc)
- max wc : 154
- henry armstrong
- starting career - 126 at 19 yo (1931)
- 3rd weight class - 147 in the 7th year at 26 (1938) - weight classes were wider so he would probably had his 3rd way earlier in the current era
- 147 at 26 (3rd wc, no 140 in his time)
- max wc : 160
- manny pacquiao
- starting career - 105 at 17 yo (1995)
- 3rd weight class - 122 in his 4th year at 21 (1999)
- 140 at 31 (7th ? wc)
- max wc : 154
- julio cesaer chavez
- starting career - 130 at 18 yo (1980)
- 3rd weight class -140 in his 9th year at 27 (1989)
- 140 at 27 (3rd wc)
- max wc : 140
- miguel cotto
- starting career at - 140 at 21 yo (2001)
- 3rd weight class - 154 in his 9th year at 30 (2010)
- 140 at 21 (1st wc)
- max wc : 160
1. Out of all those names, Loma is the second fastest to fight at his 3rd weight class and that is considering Pacquio started fighting at an age where he hadn't stopped growing and he was weighing a ridiculously low weight so it was easier for him to move up in weight that much.
2. Loma became a pro at a way more older age so that means moving up will not be as easy for him as the others even though he's already at his 3rd weight class.
3. Duran and Cotto were the heaviest when they started their pro career so it's logical that they managed to move up to 154. Also, starting at heavier weights, they reached their 3rd after 30 same as Loma who started pro way later
4. Loma is 30 already and Pacman moved up to 140 at 31. All the others were already at 140 at 30
I know you like to hate on dude (though it's a cordial hate so it's all good) but you're not being fair here. He's on par if not faster to move up in weight than the guys you cited. Considering he started later, it's logical that he has some physical limits than the others didn't have to move up much at his current age.
Just trying to be a bit fairer in the Loma criticism
Omar Little
It’s all in the Game Yo
Loma is no Duran
Conscious Pilot
Do Better.
Wilder on Joe Rogan Podcast
reservoirdogs
Superstar
No but he's right in this age-division-frame stuff
reservoirdogs
Superstar
this dude Rogan just called Klitschko "THE white dude from Russia" and talked shyt about his style. Ukrainian for first and does he even know there were 2 of them and Vitali had an entertaining style?
Advanced casuals talking about boxing on air duh
Advanced casuals talking about boxing on air duh
RedEye Jedi
Love
Wilder on Joe Rogan Podcast
I can’t tell if Wilder is just purely confident or delusional
reservoirdogs
Superstar
Now dude is talking shyt about Joshua for good points w Wilder
Wilder talking about he couldn't straighten his right arm during the Fury fight
Wilder talking about he couldn't straighten his right arm during the Fury fight
Bigblackted4
Superstar
Beautiful KO Saturday on Brook undercard from Anthony Fowler
Declined....from damn near day one he had salido problems, he pretty much showed his level capacity...has he improved since we don't know as he ducked that match, if he lookingvulnerable vs b class fighters, maybe he just a b class fighter...
chunky_mcdaniels
All Star
If he can get his skill and style up he's a genuine threat. Tremendous power, application and a great sports science team and trainer behind him.
i dont understand what these numbers were supposed to prove. according to you 4 of 5 started at super featherweight or lower like lomachenko also did. you bring up the fact that lomachenko turned pro late, but neglect the fact that he was already a grown man competing as a lightweight in the amateurs. he didnt just come out of nowhere. pacquiao was 30 years old, the same age that lomachenko is now, when he to went to 140. he made the jump to 135 to 147 back down to 140 in a little over one year. pernell whitaker made the jump to 140 to 147 inside of one year. how many years does lomachenko need? he is the same size as all these guys. the answer to that question is irrelevant since people are saying he should never move up to 140 and 147 period. they dont want him to move up at all. the argument that he shouldnt move up and that he cant move up are two different arguments. one might be true and the other is a sneaky, better sounding way to make lomachenko look better. kind of like saying pacquiao is too old and lomachenko, out of the kindness of his heart, doesnt need to fight him. it sounds better to say that than it does to tell the truth.I'll bite
Because there are some other numbers to give some context :
So my conclusions :
- vasyl lomachenko
- starting career - 126 at 25 yo (2013)
- 3rd weight class - 135 in his 5th year at 30 (2018)
- 140 in 2020 at 32 (4th wc) ?
- roberto duran
- starting career - 135 at 17 yo (1968)
- 3rd weight class - 154 in his 14th year at 31 (1982)
- 140 at 21 (2nc wc)
- max wc : 154
- henry armstrong
- starting career - 126 at 19 yo (1931)
- 3rd weight class - 147 in the 7th year at 26 (1938) - weight classes were wider so he would probably had his 3rd way earlier in the current era
- 147 at 26 (3rd wc, no 140 in his time)
- max wc : 160
- manny pacquiao
- starting career - 105 at 17 yo (1995)
- 3rd weight class - 122 in his 4th year at 21 (1999)
- 140 at 31 (7th ? wc)
- max wc : 154
- julio cesaer chavez
- starting career - 130 at 18 yo (1980)
- 3rd weight class -140 in his 9th year at 27 (1989)
- 140 at 27 (3rd wc)
- max wc : 140
- miguel cotto
- starting career at - 140 at 21 yo (2001)
- 3rd weight class - 154 in his 9th year at 30 (2010)
- 140 at 21 (1st wc)
- max wc : 160
1. Out of all those names, Loma is the second fastest to fight at his 3rd weight class and that is considering Pacquio started fighting at an age where he hadn't stopped growing and he was weighing a ridiculously low weight so it was easier for him to move up in weight that much.
2. Loma became a pro at a way more older age so that means moving up will not be as easy for him as the others even though he's already at his 3rd weight class.
3. Duran and Cotto were the heaviest when they started their pro career so it's logical that they managed to move up to 154. Also, starting at heavier weights, they reached their 3rd after 30 same as Loma who started pro way later
4. Loma is 30 already and Pacman moved up to 140 at 31. All the others were already at 140 at 30
I know you like to hate on dude (though it's a cordial hate so it's all good) but you're not being fair here. He's on par if not faster to move up in weight than the guys you cited. Considering he started later, it's logical that he has some physical limits than the others didn't have to move up much at his current age.
Just trying to be a bit fairer in the Loma criticism
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Amare's Right Hook
Southeast World Champion
Wilder needs to swim in the same ocean as Manny, heal up tha arm. Breh
I like that Deontay is doing all of these interviews, and is "going for it" as far as trying to be a big attraction. A lot of these guys just want to fight and go home.
As far as his weight, he would be foolish to gain weight. He's not gonna outbox Fury, but he can outwork him, and he needs to be in the best shape as possible for their next fight in order to do that.
I'm halfway through watching the fight for the first time and I just feel his workrate should be higher.
As far as his weight, he would be foolish to gain weight. He's not gonna outbox Fury, but he can outwork him, and he needs to be in the best shape as possible for their next fight in order to do that.
I'm halfway through watching the fight for the first time and I just feel his workrate should be higher.