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Solid post
Thatrogueassdiaz
We're on the blood path now
Loma did not look good last night, man. Like I said last night, I'll give him a pass for the injury, but this is the second time in a row he's looked very vulnerable. I'm actually wondering if he's starting to decline due to age. Either way, I'm not sure that he stays #1 p4p for long
He goes to 147..he gets BRUTALLY KNOCKED OUT. Even if Spence leaves and goes to middleweight in the next few years. Still..he would run into some guys that would connect on him. He go end up like Manny in the last Marquez fight.
chunky_mcdaniels
All Star
Thanks for posting. Good article and there's some solid points raised.
I tend not to agree with it all however.
The evolution of HBO boxing/PPV seems to have happened simultaneously as cable tv and evolution in tv in general became the centrepiece for sporting viewership.
There's not many sports that exist solely on free to air (which is the crux of the authors hbo criticism) and boxing in particular has always had other ppv platforms and streaming services.
Larry Merchant i agree was a painful commentator and extremely dislikeable. But to highlight HBO as being somehow implicit in the low ball tactics of trainer Panama Lewis is a long bow to reach.
Whilst i understand the general sentiment of the article (essentially that HBO took boxing away from the general tv public) i believe it would have happened either way, cable was taking over whether we like it or not.
It's much like modern, music platforms. I hate the consumption of music in this modern era, it changes the relationship with the song and artist, nothing has intrinsic value therefore the consumers treat it as such.
Bigblackted4
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FreedMind
DOPAMINE FOR MY BABY!!
Man I was shocked to see Loma being listed as being taller than Mikey. Those ESPN pictures damn near seem like an optical illusion.
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Killigraphy
Banned
Pretty sure Shavers and Holmes would be fighting for the belt in this era back and forth, technique + power.
Deontay has tremendous power no doubt, but he's small and wild, very little technique. Fury neutralized him and he had ring rust...imagine an olmypian like Joshua who won gold, as opposed to Wilder's bronze. Also Joshua competed 3 times in the Olympics....2 gold, one Silver. That's a fighter who isn't afraid of top tier competition every year. I think a lot neophytes to boxing forget that, he first beat high level competition before beating on some cans like most do.
Deontay has tremendous power no doubt, but he's small and wild, very little technique. Fury neutralized him and he had ring rust...imagine an olmypian like Joshua who won gold, as opposed to Wilder's bronze. Also Joshua competed 3 times in the Olympics....2 gold, one Silver. That's a fighter who isn't afraid of top tier competition every year. I think a lot neophytes to boxing forget that, he first beat high level competition before beating on some cans like most do.
Rev Leon Lonnie Love
damned mine eyes, DAMNED mine eyes!!
breh why you pulling shyt out your ass for?? Joshua only got ONE Olympic medal and ONE silver metal from the 2011 World AIBA Campionships. He only competed ONCE in the Olympics.
reservoirdogs
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Despite all the talk about the Wilder vs Fury rematch I would be surprised if not Wilder but his team wouldn't try to talk him into rather facing Joshua next behind the scenes.
Being confident in your fighter is one thing but they all saw what we saw. At this point they know that Fury is capable of beating their guy if he is just a bit more concentrated next time (well according to most he did beat him first time too even with 2KDs) and probably he can learn more from the first fight anyway also can get into an even better shape.
So if that's true why risk losing that belt before a Joshua fight would materialise? Fury vs Wilder rematch is big now by its own right too but an AJ fight is still the biggest payday for them or anyone at HW and AJ vs Wilder is likely still the biggest HW fight out although AJ vs Fury might be close now.
If they take the Fury rematch they get paid too but I would be really surprised if they would be so confident in Wilder after the first fight that they are hedging their bets on beating Fury and then go into the Joshua fight in a better position, asking for 50-50 or something... These people are in the business for a long-long time, they know how rematches tend to favor the boxers or just generally the higher ring IQ fighters and they know too that in this case that's Fury. Wilder probably blew his best chance to beat Fury with not being able to KO him on their first fight.
It's a risk I wouldn't take if I was Wilder's promoter/manager. Rather getting that Joshua payday while they still have the belt, that's a fight where they have more chance of winning too imo due to styles but more chance of getting destroyed too. Let's say the risk is similar overall but Joshua is the bigger fight.
Maybe I'm just cynical and really all of his team are on some "let's run this back to decide it" shyt but it would be strange to me.
Being confident in your fighter is one thing but they all saw what we saw. At this point they know that Fury is capable of beating their guy if he is just a bit more concentrated next time (well according to most he did beat him first time too even with 2KDs) and probably he can learn more from the first fight anyway also can get into an even better shape.
So if that's true why risk losing that belt before a Joshua fight would materialise? Fury vs Wilder rematch is big now by its own right too but an AJ fight is still the biggest payday for them or anyone at HW and AJ vs Wilder is likely still the biggest HW fight out although AJ vs Fury might be close now.
If they take the Fury rematch they get paid too but I would be really surprised if they would be so confident in Wilder after the first fight that they are hedging their bets on beating Fury and then go into the Joshua fight in a better position, asking for 50-50 or something... These people are in the business for a long-long time, they know how rematches tend to favor the boxers or just generally the higher ring IQ fighters and they know too that in this case that's Fury. Wilder probably blew his best chance to beat Fury with not being able to KO him on their first fight.
It's a risk I wouldn't take if I was Wilder's promoter/manager. Rather getting that Joshua payday while they still have the belt, that's a fight where they have more chance of winning too imo due to styles but more chance of getting destroyed too. Let's say the risk is similar overall but Joshua is the bigger fight.
Maybe I'm just cynical and really all of his team are on some "let's run this back to decide it" shyt but it would be strange to me.
Rev Leon Lonnie Love
damned mine eyes, DAMNED mine eyes!!
it dont mean shyt if Joshua isnt willing to step up and fight him now
Wilder could take a paycut and Joshua would probably still find a reason not to take the fight.
Its been known now that he's scared of that right hand and is just taking a page out of Mayweather's book with that Pacquiao situation.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
I never believed anyone was scared of anyoneit dont mean shyt if Joshua isnt willing to step up and fight him now
Wilder could take a paycut and Joshua would probably still find a reason not to take the fight.
Its been known now that he's scared of that right hand and is just taking a page out of Mayweather's book with that Pacquiao situation.
Simply they were trying to marinate it too long and it backfired a little. Just like with Canelo vs GGG or Mayweather vs Pac.
Wilder's manager said they talked with Hearn about April and he sent them a counter offer already
Makes all the sense for AJ's side too cause it's his best chance to become undisputed. Wilder is a better style matchup and an easier opponent to him than Fury. Wilder has chance too it's not about that but Fury is a harder task to solve, especially that AJ doesn't have Wilder's one punch KO power (has better pressure though). So it would be harder for him to become undisputed if he would have to go through Fury for it than if he would have to go through Wilder. These are not facts of course just my 2 cents.
reservoirdogs
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Wilder Will Add Weight For Fury Rematch; Targets 245 Pounds
By Keith Idec
NEW YORK – Deontay Wilder would like to weigh 245 pounds for his inevitable rematch with Tyson Fury.
The WBC heavyweight champion understands, of course, that adding 30-plus pounds between their title bouts probably isn’t realistic. Wilder still wants to be noticeably heavier than the 212½ pounds he weighed for his 12-round split draw with Fury on December 1 at Staples Center in Los Angeles.
Wilder was bothered when he stepped on an unofficial scale the night of their fight and came in at only 209 pounds, roughly 50 fewer than the 6-feet-9 Fury. The 6-feet-7 Wilder hadn’t weighed lower than 209 pounds for a fight since he was 207¼ pounds for his pro debut 10 years ago.
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As heavy-handed as he is, the 33-year-old Wilder (40-0-1, 39 KOs) doesn’t want to continue giving away so much weight when he faces big, strong opponents.
“Yeah, we gonna adjust the weight,” Wilder said during a recent gathering with reporters. “We gonna do a lot of things. You know, especially with the weight. Because these guys have out-weighed me the majority of my career. You know, I never worried about weight because I have the power to substitute for it. I have devastating power that these guys don’t have. So I never worried about weight, because I felt like weight is just an image.
“At the end of the day, how many times, over and over again, have guys out-weighed me and they were left on their back? None of them could put me on my back, being so [light] of a fighter. That’ll just tell you everything. These guys can’t put me on the ground, but I can put them on the ground, and I know that.”
Why, then, would Wilder fix what isn’t broken?
“Just because of my team,” Wilder said. “My team want me to do it, and we work as a team. So me and [co-manager] Shelly [Finkel] talked about this and of course I’m gonna do what I wanna do. But I went back and said, ‘You know what? If y’all wanna see certain things, then I’m gonna give it to you.’ I’m never the one’s that just solely sold on what I wanna do. There’s certain things, but we work as a team and we’ve been working for this long and if it’s adjustments to be made, I’m willing to do that, just to see.”
The highest Wilder weighed for any of his 41 professional fights is 229 pounds. He came in at 229 for his second-round knockout of Damon McCreary in September 2012 and his ninth-round knockout of Eric Molina in June 2015.
Wilder realizes it’s “gonna take some time” to move up in weight.
“My goal was always to be 245,” Wilder said. “That’s what my goal has always been. But somebody’s gonna get hurt. If weight brings big-man power, and I already had the power and the speed, somebody gonna get hurt. So if people wanna see me put on weight and someone get hurt, then so be it. But you never wanna see no one like Adonis Stevenson. I’m always thinking about him and I tell people all the time – we risk our lives in the ring. We risk our lives. And I know I have the power to hurt anyone – anyone.”
Keith Idec is a senior writer/columnist for BoxingScene.com. He can be reached on Twitter @Idecboxing.
Good luck with that
He will just slow down and tire out earlier.
If he goes 245 Fury just gonna have an easier time.
ChocolateGiddyUp
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How do you have 41 fights as a heavyweight N your ass still dont kno what you should be weighing