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OP is still a fukking moron... he's equating being against gay marriage, being religious, and have "strong family values" (whatever the fukk that is) with being a conservative in 2013... when 90% of black people beleive in all 3 of these things and are NOT conservative whatsoever.

The main tenents of conservativism are

1. Trickle down economics
2. Austerity
3. Hawkish Foreign Policy/Neo-Conservativsm
4. Unwavering support of Israel
5. Social Conservatism

That is the 5 pillars of being a conservative... if you don't believe in Social Conservatism you can still be a conservative... if you don't believe in unwaveringly supporting Israel you can be a conservative... hell you can not even believe in a hawkish foreign policy and be a conservative... but the TOP TWO are PREREQUISITES for being a conservative in 2013... and any Black American, or person period who believes in Austerity or Trickle Down is a fukking moron or criminally dishonest.
 

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Sounds like Marcus Garvey is preaching individualism....

Individualism makes the individual its focus and so starts "with the fundamental premise that the human individual is of primary importance in the struggle for liberation." Liberalism, existentialism and anarchism are examples of movements that take the human individual as a central unit of analysis. Individualism thus involves "the right of the individual to freedom and self-realization".

is there something wrong with teaching individualism?
 

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OP is still a fukking moron... he's equating being against gay marriage, being religious, and have "strong family values" (whatever the fukk that is) with being a conservative in 2013... when 90% of black people beleive in all 3 of these things and are NOT conservative whatsoever.

The main tenents of conservativism are

1. Trickle down economics
2. Austerity
3. Hawkish Foreign Policy/Neo-Conservativsm
4. Unwavering support of Israel
5. Social Conservatism

Those are the main tenets of conservatism according to your opinion and your first sentence screams of Elite Liberal CAC that tries to speak for black people.. but for shyts and giggles ill play along...

1. What are you basing your idea of trickle down economics being a conservative principle? I need to hear more of your views before commenting

2. Austerity is moreso policy then Ideology so again id like to know why you listed that as a tenant of conservatism, much less black conservatism.

3. Hawkish Foreign Policy/Neo-Conservatism in what context? Because im pretty sure most blacks regardless of ideology would agree with hawkish foreign policy to advert genocide in sub-saharan Africa.. so again you need to be clear on this as well.

4. Most Christians in this Country regardless of ideology and race unwaveringly support Israel so again, clear this up for the board.

5. The basis of this thread centers around Social Conservatism from the perspective of Blacks, specifically the great black men I pointed out in my first post so im not sure what your getting at here.
 

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Those are the main tenets of conservatism according to your opinion.. but for shyts and giggles ill play along...

1. What are you basing your idea of trickle down economics being a conservative principle? I need to hear more of your views before commenting

2. Austerity is moreso policy then Ideology so again id like to know why you listed that as a tenant of conservatism, much less black conservatism.

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You fukking moron, you keep talking about "Liberal Cacs" and shyt like that, when the only thing that matters is that they have the same economic goals as Black people, this other shyt about this and that is not relevant to whether you are a conservative or not. There is not a SINGLE black conservative who does not believe in trickle down or Austrian Economics, in fact modern conservatism is 100% based and predicated on Austrian Economics, there isn't a single conservative ON EARTH PERIOD who does not believe in Austrian Economics. Open a book and stop posting.
 

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1. What are you basing your idea of trickle down economics being a conservative principle? I need to hear more of your views before commenting

2. Austerity is moreso policy then Ideology so again id like to know why you listed that as a tenant of conservatism, much less black conservatism.

:heh: This guy doesn't know anything.
 

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You fukking moron, you keep talking about "Liberal Cacs" and shyt like that, when the only thing that matters is that they have the same economic goals as Black people, this other shyt about this and that is not relevant to whether you are a conservative or not. There is not a SINGLE black conservative who does not believe in trickle down or Austrian Economics, in fact modern conservatism is 100% based and predicated on Austrian Economics, there isn't a single conservative ON EARTH PERIOD who does not believe in Austrian Economics. Open a book and stop posting.

What gives you the authority to say what is and isn't relevant to black people? You think Gay marriage and abortion isnt a salient issue in the black community still today? Of course you dont, because your a know it all CAC that tries to speak on shyt you dont know about. Also, The economic goals of blacks and liberal whites are not the same for if it was, why has the black unemployment rate been double that of whites since the 1960's? If liberal whites had the same economic goals of blacks, blacks would be economically be more equal to whites. I suspect the gap has widen economically between whites and blacks the past 50 years due in part to LIBERAL policies of just throwing money at the problem in the form of welfare to appease instead of instituting programs that encourage those to become self sufficient with minimal government support....
 

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I just can't relate to nyggas who run with this crowd. :scusthov:
 
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What gives you the authority to say what is and isn't relevant to black people? You think Gay marriage and abortion isnt a salient issue in the black community still today? Of course you dont, because your a know it all CAC that tries to speak on shyt you dont know about. Also, The economic goals of blacks and liberal whites are not the same for if it was, why has the black unemployment rate been double that of whites since the 1960's? If liberal whites had the same economic goals of blacks, blacks would be economically be more equal to whites. I suspect the gap has widen economically between whites and blacks the past 50 years due in part to LIBERAL policies of just throwing money at the problem in the form of welfare to appease instead of instituting programs that encourage those to become self sufficient with minimal government support....

which ones in specific?
 

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Lets start with Lyndon Baines Johnson "War on Poverty" programs that significantly led the black underclass to become even more dependent on government welfare programs....

specific programs please... and statistics... if you wanna do this lets do this right.

lets see the chart that shows that since LBJ's war on poverty, black people became more dependent on government welfare. lets see the numbers. which part of the "war on poverty"

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specific programs please... and statistics... if you wanna do this lets do this right.

lets see the chart that shows that since LBJ's war on poverty, black people became more dependent on government welfare. lets see the numbers. which part of the "war on poverty"

Any more?


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War on Poverty at 40 by said:
Exactly 40 years ago, the nation embarked on two huge federal initiatives aimed at improving the lot of African Americans: the War on Poverty and the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The two programs, so different in their assumptions, turned out to be a giant natural experiment in social policy. Four decades later, with the results clearly in, we can confidently distinguish what works to uplift people from what doesn’t.

The Civil Rights Act was the capstone on America’s long and tumultuous effort to make a reality out of its founding assertion, penned by a conflicted slave owner of genius, that all men are created equal. Henceforward, the act declared, Americans could not discriminate by race in employment, in places of public accommodation such as restaurants, gas stations, and motels, or in any federally aided program. Though of course racism lingered long afterward, as a practical matter American society, and the opportunity it afforded, was now open to all.

The result was dramatic and unequivocal. Beginning in the mid-sixties, the condition of most black Americans improved markedly. While in 1960, one in three blacks aged 25 to 29 was a high school grad, for example, by 1972 the percentage had doubled to two out of three. The percentage of black college grads also doubled, from 10 percent in 1965 to 21 percent in 1977. Job status and pay showed a corresponding improvement during the sixties and seventies. The proportion of black working women who had white-collar jobs rose from 17 percent to 50 percent, while for black working men the increase was from 11 percent to 28 percent. The median income of black working men rose from 59 percent of the median white working man’s income to 69 percent; for black working women, the gain was much greater, from 64 percent to 93 percent.

But even as the opportunity opened by the Civil Rights Act resulted in such dramatic gains for the vast majority of black Americans, the condition of a minority of blacks, perhaps one in ten, markedly worsened in the years after 1964, so much so that a recognizable underclass—defined by the self-defeating behavior that kept it mired in intergenerational poverty—became entrenched in the nation’s cities. The data tell that story vividly: the labor-force participation of black men fell from 83 percent in 1960 to 71 percent in 1980, and out-of-wedlock births rose from one in six for blacks in 1950 to over one in two in 1983 and nearly two in three by 1989. As the overall crime rate soared between 1960 and 1980, the black arrest rate (correlating closely with the black crime rate and ten times higher than the white arrest rate) rose by 38 percent. Since, to repeat, most black Americans were succeeding, most of this rise in social pathology didn’t involve the majority of blacks but was concentrated among that one-tenth who made up the underclass.

However small a minority, the new underclass was so spectacularly visible because of the blight and disorder it created in the nation’s cities that pundits of all kinds spilled oceans of ink trying to explain its origin. What’s clear in retrospect is that racism can’t be to blame (dont really agree with this point), since just at the moment that the underclass came into existence the Civil Rights Act was permitting blacks to flood into the mainstream. In addition, the 1960s economic boom makes it hard to ascribe the growth of the underclass to a lack of jobs.

Blame instead the enormous changes unfolding in American culture in exactly those years: the sexual revolution, the counterculture’s contempt for the “system,” the celebration of drugs, dropping out, and rebellion. When this change in our nation’s most fundamental values and beliefs filtered down from the elites who started it to those at the very bottom of the social ladder, the consequences were catastrophic. The new culture devalued virtues that the poor need to succeed and celebrated behavior almost guaranteed to keep them out of the mainstream.

The War on Poverty certainly didn’t cause the 1960s Cultural Revolution. Quite the reverse: it was itself the pure emanation of the new culture’s worldview. But it played such a decisive role in the formation of the underclass because it was one of the principal channels through which the new worldview got transmitted to the worst-off Americans who fell into that class. At the heart of the War on Poverty was the utterly debilitating message that the worst-off were victims: that the larger society, “the system,” rather than their own behavior, was to blame for their poverty, their crime, their failure. Either, as War on Poverty architects Lloyd Ohlin and Richard Cloward implausibly argued, there really was no opportunity in the inner city, or, as the much subtler Michael Harrington contended—in a book that greatly influenced President Kennedy to devise the War on Poverty—the vast gulf between the worst-off and the prosperous causes the poor to lose heart, to become too demoralized to grasp the opportunity that lies all around them, even to become self-destructive. In the view of President Johnson, the black poor found themselves so “crippled” by three centuries of racism that they required special help and a different set of standards. As he put it in a speech a year after he launched the War on Poverty on a much more grandiose scale than President Kennedy ever contemplated: “You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say, ‘you are free to compete with all the others,’ and still justly believe that you have been completely fair.”

At a moment when poor blacks needed every possible encouragement to move into the mainstream, such a message instead fanned self-doubt and anxiety; indeed, such an imputation of black inferiority as President Johnson’s was a kind of soft but corrosive bigotry. What’s more, because “the system” was the problem, stacking the deck against blacks so as to defeat their efforts—and “crippling” them into the bargain—the War on Poverty, instead of promoting the self-reliance and personal responsibility needed to seize opportunity, emphasized the need for political and legal action to transform the system.

This overall message, mouthed constantly by the legions of politicians and bureaucrats who sponsored and administered the enterprise, was perhaps its most toxic feature. But two programs directly stimulated the growth of the underclass by converting these principles into policy.

The Community Action Program, the War on Poverty’s first (and worst) initiative, rests on a bizarre circularity in reasoning: that the poor must become active in improving their lot by demanding more and better services and transfer payments of which they are the passive recipients. As a practical matter, the most spectacular action the program took was the protracted mau-mauing of New York City’s welfare offices, which resulted in loosened eligibility requirements, fatter welfare payments, and a huge expansion of the welfare rolls. This campaign went a long way to destigmatizing welfare and establishing it as a right, as if it were reparations for victimization. In this way, Community Action contributed mightily to the long-term dependency that became a defining, and debilitating, feature of underclass life.

So too with another War on Poverty creation, the Legal Services Corporation, designed to use the courts to change “the system.” LSC tirelessly sued to raise welfare payments and expand eligibility—so much so, to take only one example, that a San Francisco affiliate boasted that its efforts had more than doubled California’s welfare rolls between 1968 and 1973 and had hiked the average grant by a third, costing the state over a quarter of a billion dollars. Erasing the distinction between the deserving and the undeserving poor, LSC successfully sued to have the drug addiction and alcoholism of many of its clients declared a disability, qualifying them for payments under the government’s SSI disability insurance scheme, which thus often became a subsidy for vice. And LSC was equally successful in keeping public housing tenants from being evicted when family members dealt drugs or even murdered neighbors, making the projects increasingly anarchic for law-abiding residents.

All this was part of America’s decades-long experiment with putting into effect the whole 1960s program for liberating the poor: not just the War on Poverty’s generous welfare policies, but also leniency to criminals (so as not to “blame the victim”), lax educational standards aimed at not damaging ghetto kids’ self-esteem (which also subverted the War on Poverty’s Head Start program), and homeless policies based on the comical fiction that here was yet another class of victims of the system. When the results of such policies became unmistakably clear—the underclass, a crime wave, decaying cities—Americans, ever pragmatic and capable of learning from experience, did a U-turn, passing welfare reform and adopting tough-minded Giuliani-style policing in cities across the land (dont necessarily agree with this point either). The result: a halving of the welfare rolls and the violent crime rate, and the lowest child-poverty rate ever.

The lesson on this 40th anniversary couldn’t be clearer. Freedom works; dependency doesn’t.

The War on Poverty at 40
 
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