The Official Black Conservatism Thread

[Ski Mask]

Yeah but he said gay liberal democrat. Rosanne Barr isn't gay.

ohh, carry on then

 

[Blackking]

I have never heard any rhetoric about reparations come from any serious liberal black intellectual, you will have to point me to any serious discussions about that. And I don't want to see you say you hear it on the streets or some shyt.

What Welfare state are you talking about exactly? Are you talking about the welfare state that is trying to get education and training into poor black neighborhoods so that they can get a job or go to school and then build a business they want? Are you talking about the welfare state that is trying to increase medical insurance coverage so that black families don't have to worry about medical bills bankrupting them and not being able to afford school?

If the welfare state you are talking about is just welfare itself then I'm not sure where you are getting the information that black liberals are trying to increase the amount of black people on welfare. It's something a white conservative would say.

And Ironically the most welfare recipients comes from conservative red states.

..... someone may come back and argue that welfare may but higher in red states, and blacks may not have the majority of the cases-- But we keep it for multiple generations longer and % wise our numbers are gross. I mean, I know that there are historical and socioeconomic reason behind this, but I'm just saying.

Also, I live in a state that welfare, bridge cards, food s, all that aren't taboo at all.. they are socially acceptable, IT's ok to get your energy bill paid every month by the State, etc--- At the same time the public school system is crumbling. For the most part the same people who run the schools, the state, the medical insurance industry, and control local politics - really aren't interested in pushing resources to black youth, or uplifting the black community....

This is where black conservative ideology comes into play. We have to act liberal and call ourselves liberal, because the leading conservative party in our nation hates us (or at the very least doesn't need us).. But realistically most black families are conservative and should be. The main focus should be self sufficiency. We can use some liberal policies, a few handout politics to work towards that goal, but the goal should always remain conservative.

 

[CACtain Planet]

....aaaaand stop right there. You've just given the 1980s political definitions of the terms despite claiming to be apolitical.

You can now officially hush



My link says "self-government" because Jamaica belonged to Britain. Is anti-colonialism conservative now too?



The political party that Garvey founded contradicts your own definition of conservatism, which is itself a terrible definition because you're trying to make it some sort of "eternal conservative standard" even though it didn't exist until the 80s Republican coalition brought it into being.

You're literally just fashioning history from whole cloth.

Enjoy yourself

Wait, are you saying the notion of liberal and conservative didnt exist until the 80's? If thats the case how do you explain the ideologies of the Federalist and Democratic-Republican parties?

To your point of Garvey, are you saying Garvey's conservative message of self reliance didnt apply to Blacks in the United States? If so, why did DuBois envy him so much?

 

[Blackking]

Several of the people you listed above were pro-reparations. Sounds like another simplistic attempt to characterize Black history.

But reparations isn't liberal. Just like some of the most popular black conservatives, were low key supporting affirmative action in the 90's. And those people are conservative. Just to be clear.

 

[CACtain Planet]

..... someone may come back and argue that welfare may but higher in red states, and blacks may not have the majority of the cases-- But we keep it for multiple generations longer and % wise our numbers are gross. I mean, I know that there are historical and socioeconomic reason behind this, but I'm just saying.

Also, I live in a state that welfare, bridge cards, food s, all that aren't taboo at all.. they are socially acceptable, IT's ok to get your energy bill paid every month by the State, etc--- At the same time the public school system is crumbling. For the most part the same people who run the schools, the state, the medical insurance industry, and control local politics - really aren't interested in pushing resources to black youth, or uplifting the black community....

This is where black conservative ideology comes into play. We have to act liberal and call ourselves liberal, because the leading conservative party in our nation hates us (or at the very least doesn't need us).. But realistically most black families are conservative and should be. The main focus should be self sufficiency. We can use some liberal policies, a few handout politics to work towards that goal, but the goal should always remain conservative.

Agreed

 

[CACtain Planet]

Marcus Garvey = Conservative

Malcolm X = Conservative , would vote for bush

n this deceitful American game of power politics, the Negroes (i.e., the race problem, the integration and civil rights issues) are nothing but tools, used by one group of whites called Liberals against another group of whites called Conservatives, either to get into power or to remain in power.

Among whites here in America, the political teams are no longer divided into Democrats and Republicans. The whites who are now struggling for control of the American political throne are divided into “liberal” and “conservative” camps. The white liberals from both parties cross party lines to work together toward the same goal, and white conservatives from both parties do likewise.

The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative.

Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro’s friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political “football game” that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives.

Politically the American Negro is nothing but a football and the white liberals control this mentally dead ball through tricks of tokenism: false promises of integration and civil rights. In this profitable game of deceiving and exploiting the politics of the American Negro, those white liberals have the willing cooperation of the Negro civil rights leaders. These “leaders” sell out our people for just a few crumbs of token recognition and token gains. These “leaders” are satisfied with token victories and token progress because they themselves are nothing but token leaders….


The white liberals hate The Honorable Elijah Muhammad because they know their present position in the power structure stems form their ability to deceive and to exploit the Negro, politically as well as economically.

They know that The Honorable Elijah Muhammad’s divine message will make our people (1) wake up, (2) clean up, (3) stand up. They know that once The Honorable Elijah Muhammad is able to resurrect the Negro from this mental grave of ignorance, by teaching him the truth about himself and his real enemy, the Negro will then be able to see and think for himself. Once the Negro learns to think for himself, he will no longer allow the white liberal to use him as a helpless football in the white man’s crooked game of “power politics.”

Let us examine briefly some of the tricky strategy used by white liberals to harness and exploit the political energies of the Negro.

The crooked politicians in Washington, D.C., purposely make a big noise over the proposed civil rights legislation. By blowing up the civil rights issue they skillfully add false importance to the Negro civil rights “leaders.” Once the image of these Negro civil rights “leaders” has been blown up way beyond its proper proportion, these same Negro civil rights “leaders” are then used by white liberals to influence and control the Negro voters, all for the benefit of the white politicians who pose as liberals, who pose as friends of the Negro.

The white conservatives aren’t friends of the Negro either, but they at least don’t try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the “smiling” fox.

The job of the Negro civil rights leader is to make the Negro forget that the wolf and the fox both belong to the (same) family. Both are canines; and no matter which one of them the Negro places his trust in, he never ends up in the White House, but always in the dog house.

The white liberals control the Negro and the Negro vote by controlling the Negro civil rights leaders. As long as they control the Negro civil rights leaders, they can also control and contain the Negro’s struggle, and they can control the Negro’s so-called revolt.

The Negro “revolution” is controlled by these foxy white liberals, by the government itself. But the black revolution is controlled only by God.

malcolm x - speeches > god's judgement of white america (the chickens come home to roost)


These words still apply today

 

[Broke Wave]

malcolm x - speeches > god's judgement of white america (the chickens come home to roost)


These words still apply today

Malcolm X didn't like white liberals

ergo

he is a conservative


this dude trying to teach ME about malcolm x

I guess malcolm x also beleived in Austrian Economic Theory and Neo-Conservative foreign policy

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Conservatism is really the only thing that can save the black community at this point. A lack of family structure in the home has led to utter chaos in the black community. Its demonic really.

 

[The Real]

But reparations isn't liberal.

I wasn't the one making that assertion- that's all on the OP.

 

[714562]

Wait, are you saying the notion of liberal and conservative didnt exist until the 80's? If thats the case how do you explain the ideologies of the Federalist and Democratic-Republican parties?

I'm amazed that you didn't get this.

Conservative didn't mean what you're saying it means until the early 80s, yes. The idea that conservative = economic self reliance and rugged individualism, and liberal = being on the dole was essentially created in the early 80s, along with the narrative that all conservatives/liberals throughout history have fallen in these ideological camps.

Prior to that, conservative meant any number of varying things. Flannery O'Connor was conservative. To apply the term conservative to a Gilded Age baron would be to do so retroactively.

 

[CACtain Planet]

I wasn't the one making that assertion- that's all on the OP.

no I wasnt, I said reparations in the form of government welfare programs which is different than Reparations of LAND

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

But reparations isn't liberal. Just like some of the most popular black conservatives, were low key supporting affirmative action in the 90's. And those people are conservative. Just to be clear.

Reparations is a progressive idea. It's predicated upon the principle of egalitarian social reform. Some of you need to stop getting your understanding of political philosophy by which politicians or talking heads of the Democratic or Republican party said what.

 

[Blackking]

To your point of Garvey, are you saying Garvey's conservative message of self reliance didnt apply to Blacks in the United States? If so, why did DuBois envy him so much?

idk if you can classify DuBois as liberal or conservative. However, black liberals have had that "be accepted by america" mentality forever and we will always be help back by that.

Garvey is wrong on a few things but correct in his core message. Why force yourself to be fully accepted by a society that doesn't want you to become part of the fabric and who doesn't appreciate the fact that you shaped that societies culture and strength? Why force that liberal 'one america', begging to sit at the table sh1t when the reality is that it hasn't happened because the owners of the table will only let a token few sit?

I hang w my so called liberal friends, and they imo, are black elitist. Just because a few of us 'made it' we actually believe that 'us' making it is due, to inclusion politics when it's due to control and token politics. Overall we reject people like Malcolm X - and not due to religion.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Motherfukker are you black?

Yessir...half. That's half more than you whiteboy.

If not (which we know your not) then shut the fukk up..got dam indians trying to tell a black man what they can and can't do... now kick rocks bytch

You ain't fooling nobody whiteboy. You're another Angel on the Rag. And your thread is dumb and you don't know what conservatism is or what you're talking about at all, that's why you're getting shytted on.

 

[CACtain Planet]

I'm amazed that you didn't get this.

Conservative didn't mean what you're saying it means until the early 80s, yes. The idea that conservative = economic self reliance and rugged individualism, and liberal = being on the dole was essentially created in the early 80s, along with the narrative that all conservatives/liberals throughout history have fallen in these ideological camps.

Prior to that, conservative meant any number of varying things. Flannery O'Connor was conservative. To apply the term conservative to a Gilded Age baron would be to do so retroactively.

Your sadly mistaken. If you read the rhetoric between Booker T Washington and W.E.B. Dubois, you'd see that their has always been a distinction between black conservative and liberal ideology. You can even go back as far as the rhetoric between Frederick Douglas and Thomas Fortune. Frederick Douglas said "the Republican Party (which was the liberal party at the time) is the ship and all else is the sea".... while Thomas Fortune in his book Black The Negro and Politcs attacked the idea that blacks should blindly support the Republican Party. If Fortune was alive today you self righteous liberals would label him a c00n for not supporting the democratic party smh