Religion/Spirituality The Official Bible Study Thread

[Chez Lopez]

you may have came in with good intentions on going to the next level. but if the folks listening are not ready and need to be fed the basics. give them the basics. or do you just want to bring up the next level stuff for you to feel like you did something special? think about it for a moment. we always have to watch that in ourselves. even when we are trying to do the right thing our arrogance and us looking for feel good moments can get in the way of God's purpose. right now the purpose may not be to go into the next level stuff. it may just be ground floor, surface level. cause as you know, if you cant grasp that we cant talk about the other stuff. you wont get it, it will go in one ear and out the other.

and to address what some call babes in this or rookies, or even non believers who are at least sitting at the table with an open mind. My own personal preference is to start with proverbs. Because those are things we have all heard since we were kids. from our parents, older siblings, grand parents, aunts/uncles, or some other old heads saying stuff. could even be thru TV/radio, etc. a lot of people dont even realize a lot of these "SAYINGS" are actually biblical proverbs. And they seem more practical and applicable for today (For the babes at least). but different strokes for different folks(thats in the bible too). everyone isnt fed the exact same stuff at the exact same time the exact same way all the time. Some scripts even when you're in church are not for you at that very moment. sometimes you are there listening and you need to just remember that for a later date in your life or for someone else you run into.

I can definitely see where people are not prepared for this type of bible study. It takes a great amount of faith in the bible to believe what it actually says instead of playing it safe with comfortable topics and easy going teachings. That's my whole purpose by the way, to bring people out of their comfort level and tackle the hard to understand biblical mysteries. So many times an atheist will bring up 'what abt Elisha cursing forty children to be mauled by a bear' or 'what about Yahuah wrestling with Jacob and popping is thigh bone out' and right there people stumble at the Word, because they don believe those things either, agreeing with the atheist.

my intention is to confront those hard to know topics head on, and not dodge them for fear of ridicule or because of disbelief, or for whatever excuse it is to disregard those meaty portions of the bible. All scripture is used for wisdom and since we don't believe in it mostly, we are missing out on wisdom.

an example:

Matthew 12
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

1 peter 3
18 For Mashiach also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to Alaheim, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of Alaheim waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Yahusha HaMashiach.


these verses say that Yahusha went to hell when he died, and preached to the disobedient spirits killed by the flood. So Yahusha spent 3 days and nights in hell to recompense for our sins. There are many teachings to be had here, to expound upon, and precept upon precept can we build, unlocking some very deep secrets of the bible, but the key is to believe what the Word of Yahuah says and not what our own hearts say. When people refuse to believe what the bible says knowledge stops in its tracks as does bible study.

 

[rapbeats]

I can definitely see where people are not prepared for this type of bible study. It takes a great amount of faith in the bible to believe what it actually says instead of playing it safe with comfortable topics and easy going teachings. That's my whole purpose by the way, to bring people out of their comfort level and tackle the hard to understand biblical mysteries. So many times an atheist will bring up 'what abt Elisha cursing forty children to be mauled by a bear' or 'what about Yahuah wrestling with Jacob and popping is thigh bone out' and right there people stumble at the Word, because they don believe those things either, agreeing with the atheist.

my intention is to confront those hard to know topics head on, and not dodge them for fear of ridicule or because of disbelief, or for whatever excuse it is to disregard those meaty portions of the bible. All scripture is used for wisdom and since we don't believe in it mostly, we are missing out on wisdom.

an example:

Matthew 12
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

1 peter 3
18 For Mashiach also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to Alaheim, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of Alaheim waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Yahusha HaMashiach.


these verses say that Yahusha went to hell when he died, and preached to the disobedient spirits killed by the flood. So Yahusha spent 3 days and nights in hell to recompense for our sins. There are many teachings to be had here, to expound upon, and precept upon precept can we build, unlocking some very deep secrets of the bible, but the key is to believe what the Word of Yahuah says and not what our own hearts say. When people refuse to believe what the bible says knowledge stops in its tracks as does bible study.

you're completely missing the point.
You dont teach a 2 year old Calculus without first teaching him/her 2+2=4. you can't skip steps. if you do that, you run the risk of having a bunch of people talking about stuff they dont really understand because they dont get the foundation. Its the equivalent of teaching someone nothing but the NT and wondering why they really believe the OT rules are completely done away with. when it clearly states that is not true at all. dont skip steps. 2+2=4, A, B, C, D, E ..... before you start talking about English lit.

 

[Chez Lopez]

Correct. Which is why we have gone over the law. The ones who do not believe the law applies, still believe that, even though scripture has been posted to uphold this. Which is why we move on. I use the true Name of the Messiah, Yahusha, not the greek translated name, jesus. But there are a lot who just don believe , so we move on. There are doctrines that teach people to hate edomites, though the bible specifically states, thou shall not abhor edom, and those scriptures have been posted, so we move on.

Any further topics that are in need of discussion we can address. I am open to all topics, post and we'll discuss. Cheers!

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Daniel 2:43
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Daniel was giving prophecy on things that came to past and things that would happen in the future (dynasties). Daniel 2:43
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay is


^^^ That verse is taking about how week the empire would be because they was a mixed nation. Daniel describe the head as gold, the arms as silver, the sides brass, the legs iron, and the toes mixed with clay and iron. IT CLEARLY SHOWS HOW THE WICKED EMPIRES IS SLOWING LOSING THEIR POWER BECAUSE THEY STARTED OUT MADE OF SOLID GOLD (powerfull) and at the end its made out of a weaker material and IT CLEARLY SHOWS YOU FROM TOP TO BOTTOM HOW THEY WERE STRONG AT THE BEGGING AND WEAK AT THE END. How in the hell yall turn that into sleeping with Angels? This is astonishing

Daniel even mentions this himself in the same chapter and yall still don't get it. What the hell is wrong with you guys? Daniel mentions each dynasty and the order they will come in. He even assigns each dynasty a material and lists them from top to bottom and yall still dont get it?

The Zondervan Encylopedia of the Bible Vol 2 D-G

Daniel page 153 of 5782

In 602 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar was troubled by a dream that he had was troubled by a dream that he had forgotten on waking (Dan 2:5,8). The priestly diviners were ordered to disclose the nature of the dream and interpret its meaning, and when they proved unequal to this challenge they were promptly sentenced to death. This unfortunate fate included Daniel aslso, but after prayer God revealed the dream and its meaning to him (2:11, 18-19). Its depicted a fourfold image representing the four world empires of Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome, which would precede the introduction of the messianic kingdom. Nebuchadnezzar was so impressed with this performance that he made Daniel "ruler over the entire province of Babylon and placed him in charge of all its wise men " (2:48).

 

[Chez Lopez]

Nobody is discounting the interpretation of the dream as designating the four beast kingdoms. There is also a higher interpretation of the final kingdom however.

Daniel 2:43
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay


Job 33
6 Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay.

we know that clay represents human flesh, but what does the iron represent? For certain we know that the iron does not represent any human nation, because of the designation of mingling themselves with the seed of men, therefore this interpretation could be two fold: they designates the fallen angels, who mixed themselves with the seed of man in genesis 6, or it could be technology, which is unlikely due to the designation of they as beings and not technological advancement.

so we know who they does NOT represent, then who does they refer to?

*remember also that Daniel had a vision of the Messiah and the arch angel Michael, who revealed that all kingdoms are controlled by fallen angel spirits, known as 'princes'. So Daniel has knowledge of how kingdoms operate on a physical and spiritual level, so his descriptions will represent both.*

Daniel 10
5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked , and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: 6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude

12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand , and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard , and I am come for thy words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia

20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth , lo, the prince of Grecia shall come . 21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince

 

[GreenGrass]

If one were to purchase a bible in the English language, what would be the best option when it comes to the most accurate translation?

1378 Wycliffe | 1519 Erasmus NT | 1535 Coverdale | 1536 Tyndale
1549 Matthew | 1550 Stephanus | 1557 Geneva NT | 1560 Geneva | 1568 Bishops'
1611 King James | 1841 Hexapla | 1846 Illuminated Bible | 1455 Gutenberg
1684 Foxe's | 1585 Calvin | 1782 Robert Aitken

I am leaning towards 1560 Geneva (Facsimile).

 

[Marvel]

If one were to purchase a bible in the English language, what would be the best option when it comes to the most accurate translation?

1378 Wycliffe | 1519 Erasmus NT | 1535 Coverdale | 1536 Tyndale
1549 Matthew | 1550 Stephanus | 1557 Geneva NT | 1560 Geneva | 1568 Bishops'
1611 King James | 1841 Hexapla | 1846 Illuminated Bible | 1455 Gutenberg
1684 Foxe's | 1585 Calvin | 1782 Robert Aitken

I am leaning towards 1560 Geneva (Facsimile).

If you don't have the spirit to dig deeper with a strong's concordance and go into the hebrew and greek then just stick with the stick with 1611 kjv and use an 1828 webster's dictionary.

 

[BujuBoombastic]

So this is the official Bible study thread? Are you guys discussing the old and the new testament to the Kings James version?

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Daniel 2:43
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay

Nobody is discounting the interpretation of the dream as designating the four beast kingdoms. There is also a higher interpretation of the final kingdom however.

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. So there is no part of Daniel's prophecy that you can say has a higher meaning. Daniel said exactly what he meant. One kingdom is iron and the next kingdom is clay and they won't come together the same way "iron and clay" wouldn't come together. You are trying to fit a round object into a triangle shaped hole.

Job 33

we know that clay represents human flesh, but what does the iron represent? For certain we know that the iron does not represent any human nation, because of the designation of mingling themselves with the seed of men,

Daniel explains what the clay and the iron represent and he said they are two kingdoms. We don't need to put a question mark on what iron represent. Daniel explains what every metal & clay represents

*remember also that Daniel had a vision of the Messiah and the arch angel Michael, who revealed that all kingdoms are controlled by fallen angel spirits, known as 'princes'. So Daniel has knowledge of how kingdoms operate on a physical and spiritual level, so his descriptions will represent both.

If with all the physical and spiritual knowledge Daniel had he never mentioned anything about Angels coming down and sleeping with women. He mentioned KINGDOMS BY NAME AND WHICH KINGDOM REPRESENTS WHAT MATERIAL. You need to stop lying on Daniel. He had a mouth and he had plenty of opportunities to say "this angel slept with this woman and created this wicked nation. It never said that and you are trying to align scriptures like Job, that has nothing to do with Daniel's prophecy to Job. And Job never gave a prophecy so i don't know how you are trying to tie these two people together. Good and bad angels must report to GOD. GOD gave Satan commands to do whatever he want to Job, but not kill him. Satan had to give a report to GOD in that same story telling GOD where he's been and what he's doing. When GOD asked Satan what he was doing i don't see any angels talking about "going back and forth throughout the earth looking for the prettiest ladies to sleep with" lol

CHRONICLES 2 18-21
18 Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the Lord; I saw the Lord sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left.

19 And the Lord said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner.

20 Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will entice him. And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith?

21 And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the Lord said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so.

22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.


The Lord is always in control and he's in control of evil spirits. Satan and even the evil angels had to obey his command. So all this "angels flying around sleeping with woman is a damn lie". They don't have the free will to go out and pick who they want to marry and have sex. You must know the function of angels.

Hebrews 1:13-14
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister to them who shall be heirs of salvation?


It says they "ALL ARE MINISTERING SPIRITS". Not "the good angels are or the bad angels are", they "ALL ARE MINISTERING SPIRITS" whether is be good or evil they are ministering. evil spirits have the power to entice you and influence you, but not to rape your have sex with you.

 

[Chez Lopez]

So this is the official Bible study thread? Are you guys discussing the old and the new testament to the Kings James version?

Cheers! yes old and new testament. There is no delineation scripturally between the two so there are actually one book. We are also studying the septuagint, the apocryphal books, the book of Jasher, the book of enoch, the book of maccabees and the Qumran(dead sea) scrolls.

If one were to purchase a bible in the English language, what would be the best option when it comes to the most accurate translation?

1378 Wycliffe | 1519 Erasmus NT | 1535 Coverdale | 1536 Tyndale
1549 Matthew | 1550 Stephanus | 1557 Geneva NT | 1560 Geneva | 1568 Bishops'
1611 King James | 1841 Hexapla | 1846 Illuminated Bible | 1455 Gutenberg
1684 Foxe's | 1585 Calvin | 1782 Robert Aitken

I am leaning towards 1560 Geneva (Facsimile).

Cheers bro. We use mostly the Hebrew scriptures as defined by the strongs concordance, but I use the ISR(Institute for Scriptural research) bible along with the king james version. I emphasis on the use of the Hebrew interpretation for all scripture.

Cheers if anyone has any questions or new topics for consideration please feel free to post.

 

[Chez Lopez]

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. So there is no part of Daniel's prophecy that you can say has a higher meaning. Daniel said exactly what he meant. One kingdom is iron and the next kingdom is clay and they won't come together the same way "iron and clay" wouldn't come together. You are trying to fit a round object into a triangle shaped hole.




Daniel explains what the clay and the iron represent and he said they are two kingdoms. We don't need to put a question mark on what iron represent. Daniel explains what every metal & clay represents


If with all the physical and spiritual knowledge Daniel had he never mentioned anything about Angels coming down and sleeping with women. He mentioned KINGDOMS BY NAME AND WHICH KINGDOM REPRESENTS WHAT MATERIAL. You need to stop lying on Daniel. He had a mouth and he had plenty of opportunities to say "this angel slept with this woman and created this wicked nation. It never said that and you are trying to align scriptures like Job, that has nothing to do with Daniel's prophecy to Job. And Job never gave a prophecy so i don't know how you are trying to tie these two people together. Good and bad angels must report to GOD. GOD gave Satan commands to do whatever he want to Job, but not kill him. Satan had to give a report to GOD in that same story telling GOD where he's been and what he's doing. When GOD asked Satan what he was doing i don't see any angels talking about "going back and forth throughout the earth looking for the prettiest ladies to sleep with" lol

CHRONICLES 2 18-21
18 Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the Lord; I saw the Lord sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left.

19 And the Lord said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner.

20 Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will entice him. And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith?

21 And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the Lord said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so.

22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.


The Lord is always in control and he's in control of evil spirits. Satan and even the evil angels had to obey his command. So all this "angels flying around sleeping with woman is a damn lie". They don't have the free will to go out and pick who they want to marry and have sex. You must know the function of angels.

Hebrews 1:13-14
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister to them who shall be heirs of salvation?


It says they "ALL ARE MINISTERING SPIRITS". Not "the good angels are or the bad angels are", they "ALL ARE MINISTERING SPIRITS" whether is be good or evil they are ministering. evil spirits have the power to entice you and influence you, but not to rape your have sex with you.

I would suggest you read the book of enoch and the apocryphal book of giants, if there is any confusion concerning this doctrine. The bible describes some strnge things and we are doing a disservice to the Word by calling people who believe the bible liars. Cheers brother.

 

[BujuBoombastic]

Cheers! yes old and new testament. There is no delineation scripturally between the two so there are actually one book. We are also studying the septuagint, the apocryphal books, the book of Jasher, the book of enoch, the book of maccabees and the Qumran(dead sea) scrolls.



Cheers bro. We use mostly the Hebrew scriptures as defined by the strongs concordance, but I use the ISR(Institute for Scriptural research) bible along with the king james version. I emphasis on the use of the Hebrew interpretation for all scripture.

Cheers if anyone has any questions or new topics for consideration please feel free to post.

Don't know about theses scrolls or scriptures. Are they part of the Hebrew bible? I don't know much about the Hebrew bible, but I need to start reading some of thoses books after I'm finish with the old bible I'm reading... So what makes the Hebrew bible so interesting if I may ask?

 

[Chez Lopez]

Don't know about theses scrolls or scriptures. Are they part of the Hebrew bible? I don't know much about the Hebrew bible, but I need to start reading some of thoses books after I'm finish with the old bible I'm reading... So what makes the Hebrew bible so interesting if I may ask?

They are extra biblical resources that detail the history of the Jewish people. The black nations have historical jewish roots, stretching all the way from Iraq to south Africa. Black culture and history starts with the bible and the knowledge of the Hebrew people. Not only that the Hebrew language is a multidimensional, multifaceted word system that is the most complex that the world has ever seen. each letter has a symbolic, numerical and phonic meaning, corresponding to one another in a complete cultural idea.

for instance the 1st letter of the Hebrew alphabet is Aleph, which by itself means chief or head. The second letter is Beit, which means house or structure. The word father is Ab, an aleph and a beit together, which translates symbolically to head of the house. The connections in Hebrew have much more meaning than the words in English have the capacity to illustrate, so in order to gain the maximum amount of knowledge in Yahuahs Word, I study in Hebrew. Cheers!

 

[BujuBoombastic]

They are extra biblical resources that detail the history of the Jewish people. The black nations have historical jewish roots, stretching all the way from Iraq to south Africa. Black culture and history starts with the bible and the knowledge of the Hebrew people. Not only that the Hebrew language is a multidimensional, multifaceted word system that is the most complex that the world has ever seen. each letter has a symbolic, numerical and phonic meaning, corresponding to one another in a complete cultural idea.

for instance the 1st letter of the Hebrew alphabet is Aleph, which by itself means chief or head. The second letter is Beit, which means house or structure. The word father is Ab, an aleph and a beit together, which translates symbolically to head of the house. The connections in Hebrew have much more meaning than the words in English have the capacity to illustrate, so in order to gain the maximum amount of knowledge in Yahuahs Word, I study in Hebrew. Cheers!

Interesting...

I would love to learn more once I finish reading the bible and under-standing it. You sir are bless with knowledge.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

I would suggest you read the book of enoch and the apocryphal book of giants, if there is any confusion concerning this doctrine. The bible describes some strnge things and we are doing a disservice to the Word by calling people who believe the bible liars. Cheers brother.

Don't know about theses scrolls or scriptures. Are they part of the Hebrew bible? I don't know much about the Hebrew bible, but I need to start reading some of thoses books after I'm finish with the old bible I'm reading... So what makes the Hebrew bible so interesting if I may ask?

The book of Enoch was never apart of the bible and now it makes perfect sense why you believe in that fallen angels sleeping with men BS. You are reading these outside books that go directly against the WORD OF GOD, and actually reverence them more than the actual scriptures, smh. Its clear as day that the book of Enoch was never accepted as biblical because of the fallen angel sleeping with me lie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch

(quote from wiki)
Although evidently widely known during the development of the Hebrew Bible canon, 1 Enoch was excluded from both the formal canon of the Tanakh and the typical canon of the Septuagint and therefore, also the writings known today as the Deuterocanon.[7][8] One possible reason for Jewish rejection of the book might be the textual nature of several early sections of the book that make use of material from the Torah; for example, 1 En 1 is a midrash of Deuteronomy 33.[9][10] The content, particularly detailed descriptions of fallen angels, would also be a reason for rejection from the Hebrew canon at this period – as illustrated by the comments of Trypho the Jew when debating with Justin Martyr on this subject. Trypho: "The utterances of God are holy, but your expositions are mere contrivances, as is plain from what has been explained by you; nay, even blasphemies, for you assert that angels sinned and revolted from God." (Dialogue 79)[11]


The book of Enoch doesn't match up with the bible so thats why it was never including with the other books of the bible. The apocrypha was part of the bible and that was removed from the bible by the Catholics because it they scriptures was exposing a lot of them pagan practices.


Offshoot false denominations like "The church of latter day Saints, and Ethiopic Orthodox Christians are the only people that believe that non sense.

Whats funny is the bible encyclopedia, the jewish and christian scholars that put together the bible, and Jesus all agree angels can't have sex with people, but this guy has a "higher education" then all the people that put this thing together.