Religion/Spirituality The Official Bible Study Thread

[Chez Lopez]

I have the Zondervan Encylopedia of the Bible Vols 1, 2, and 3. Im trying to get the whole collection, so I have A-L on iBooks, on my iphone. And check this out bro on this is a couple of sentences from Vol 1 A-C page 1320 under the word Angels:

`When refuting the SADDUCEES' argument against angels and RESSURECTION, Jesus stated that angels were not sexual and did not marry. He also pointed out their present superiority to human beings, ut said that people who are worth of the coming age "are like the angels. They are God's children since they are children of the ressurection. (Luke 20-30-36).

I understand why this doctrine is here, and I understand the Messiah Yahushas statements to the jews who were trying to stumble His message. Yahusha's states that after the resurrection the righteous will be as angels and will not marry, the question was if seven brothers all take the same wife, after one dying one after another, due to the law stating that if a womans husband dies she has the right to request her brother in law as husband in order to keep the family name going for their children. He states that she will be neither brothers wife, because in the resurrection they will be as angels who aren't given in marriage.

This is very complicated but remember that all of these iindividuals will be dead and resurrected and as angels they will not be married to eachother, they will be spirits in the kingdom. This is not the same situation as in genesis, because genesis states that the angels descended and took human wives, not marrying eachother. This was a transgression of the law that satans angels did, which gave rise to a giant race of genetically malformed human beings, both before the flood and after the flood. These angels were punished for this transgression of the law and expelled from heaven during the first expulsion. This is the reason why moses, Joshua, caleb and king david were chosen to destroy all of the remnant of these demonically enhanced tribes of people, the amorites, the anakim, the amalakites etc.

All ancient cultures including the bible report this same story, except from different veiwpoints. The greeks Egyptians, Persians, African nations, aboriginal nations, native American tribes, all nations all around the world all adhere to this doctrine, and most of these nations worshipped the giants as kingsand gods. the bible explains what actually happened, however, and designates these fallen angels as demons.

These events are still happening too, and explain the sexual nature of some reported 'alien abductions'. a brief look into ancient medieval culture reveals that all throughout history these unnatural advances took place, with demonic entities know as succubus and incubus. Biblical record, ancient record archelology and contemporary mythology all point to the same conclusion, even though this is a tough doctrine, it is completely biblical and explains a huge chunk of archeological misunderstanding

 

[MostReal]

. These angels were punished for this transgression of the law and expelled from heaven during the first expulsion. This is the reason why moses, Joshua, caleb and king david were chosen to destroy all of the remnant of these demonically enhanced tribes of people, the amorites, the anakim, the amalakites etc.

brehs argued me down when I stated this in a thread
get ready for it though

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Yeah I know the Angels were expelled for breaking GOD's laws. But they can't reproduce, so sleeping with women and creating Giants isn't one of the sins. Jesus was loud and clear about that. And the bible encyclopedia agrees with the KJV bible.

 

[rapbeats]

the thing is, Christianity is a whole separate religion from what the bible teaches, even though it uses the bible to justify its belief structure.

points of reference:

1. the bible states that the Sabbath day is holy and that it must be set apart from the rest of the days. not any day, the set aside day sanctified by Yahuah.

-the Christian church worships on sunday, not the Sabbath day. this day was set apart by the roman catholic church to appease newly designated Christians.

2. the bible states to not take the Name of Yahuah in vain. the word vain in Hebrew is shoo. This word means emptiness or nothingness. This means the actual Name is meant to be used worshiped and praised, not discarded and unused

-the Christian church substitutes titles like 'god' or 'the lord' in where in Hebrew scripture His Name was pronounced and praised. This practice comes from the heretical phariseeic Judaism that became the teachers against the law, builders of new tradition-based law and refused to speak the Name, contrary to biblical doctrine.

3. the bible states that a person should not worship idols, or bow to idols or use idols in worship of Yahuah, that this is an abomination of the faith and also a pagan tradition.

-the Christian church is completely idolatrous, worshipping using wooden idols, statues, Christmas trees, gold and silver necklaces and other religious trinkets. All of these types of worship are traditional pagan practices, united with the Christian church by roman catholics.

4. the bible state that the law of Yahuah given to moses is the word of Yahuah and meant to be followed. There is no distinguishing between the old and new testament in this issue, all followers of the Messiah Yahusha completed the law and even new greek converts were brought into the synagogues to learn the law. Yahusha Himself testifies that the law will not change until the end of the world.

-the Christian church refuses to adhere to the law of moses, regardless of the biblical doctrine of the Messiah, the testimony of both old and new testaments and historical evidence.

5. the bible teaches that the Name of the Messiah Yahusha is important and we can only be saved by calling upon His Name. The bible also states that there is only one Name given to the Messiah, in two places (acts 4, 2 thesselonians) and that those who believe in this Name will be saved.

-the Christian church states that calling on the name of jesus is sufficient for salvation, even though it is historically impossible that jesus was His given name. the church teaches that whatever way a parishioner wants to call upon Him is sufficient, even though jesus is a name that was used by multiple other pagan deities linking back thousands of years to ancient Greece.

What we have here is an entirely separate religion based on belief of many non biblical concepts, separation of the old testament from the new testament and adherence to a system of thought identical to many other worldy religions (idolatry, solstice worship etc). Jesus has a different doctrine from the bible, under a different name, celebrating different holidays and worshipping on a different day of the week. These facts catagorize christianity as a whole other doctrine that uses the bible only for thematic semblance. Early followers of the bible adhered strictly to Judaic biblical law AND believed in Yahusha the Messiah, it was hundreds of years later when roman catholic christianty merged with paganism to present to us the modern Christian church.

This is not meant to point the finger at Christians for heretical belief structure, it is adherence to the Word of Yahuah, as we are commanded. Cheers fellas!

some may attempt to completely separate the two. thats not what i did at all. again i see you separating the two and people who think along your lines.

no one said dont follow the OT. No one said just follow the OT, no one said Just follow the NT.

If you follow the OT correctly, you will follow the NT. If you follow the NT, you will be automatically following the OT.


The NT is God decoding the OT for us humans that didn quite get it the first time around. It especially for the legalistic folks. its literally saying Ok i've seen yall have taken my laws further then i have ever requested of you. and even though you THINK you've done so in my name. you have actually done so on your own for your own reasons..whatever they may be. So here's this NT that shows you how to follow my laws via the spirit of the law.

See we can tall that follow the OT talk all we want. but there has never been a man alive(aside from the son of God himself) that has ever kept every last 600+ law exactly the way he intended. part of that issue is sinful nature obviously. the other is legalism. getting caught up in the text of the law not understanding why the law is there to begin with then you can understand the laws usage.

I'll say this again. if you're in a school zone the speed limit is 25mph. so technically as long as you're going 25 you're good. truth is, by law i believe if you're going to slow or to fast you could always technically get a ticket. so by that legalism thought process. you should go 25mph the moment you hit a school zone. no matter what. But if you truly understood where the law came from, and what its all about. you would realize. if school just let out. you will be driving 2 mph just to be on the safe side cause you can never tell when some kid is going to dart out into the streets. Does this mean i have just violated the law? NO. but let the legalistic folk tell it. they would say See there, you are in violation of THE LAW..... which would be false.

 

[Chez Lopez]

Zachariah 7:11-12

11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. 12 Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.

1 john 3
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Shabbath Shalum!!!!

 

[Marvel]

Yeah I know the Angels were expelled for breaking GOD's laws. But they can't reproduce, so sleeping with women and creating Giants isn't one of the sins. Jesus was loud and clear about that. And the bible encyclopedia agrees with the KJV bible.

Breh...some people are seared in their minds about the lies Esau pushes out.

 

[KG1]

Interesting?

 

[KG1]

This thread is a moderator approved dedicated thread for bible study, to fully understand all biblical wisdom and understanding....

How about this verse:

Ezekiel 4:12

And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight

 

[Chez Lopez]

How about this verse:

Ezekiel 4:12

And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight

excellent. Anyone wanna tackle why Yahuah (almost) made Ezekiel eat crap?

 

[Chez Lopez]

There is a disconnect here that is troublesome. the Word of Yahuah is unbreakable and will never come back void. The issue is that people just don't believe, no matter how fantastic the information within it is, it is true, regardless of our societal discrepancies. There are concepts in the bible that transcend every physics book, every history book and every quantum theory, but people just don believe what is written.

In the beginning of this thread I planned to discuss every major BIZARRE biblical occurance, but for fear of atheist disagreement other posters would rather stick to the basic level 1 concepts that everyone is used to. So here we are at the very basic, beginner bible precepts and a majority of people don even believe them. Why fear something a person who doesn believe in anything has to say? Why allow another persons judgement compromise the unbreakable word of Yahuah? Are we as believers so flappable in our faith that an unbeliever can direct the course of a thread without saying anything?

The Bible discusses:

Fallen angels mutating the human genetic code
Giant men who were cannibals, some up to 30 feet tall
Satyrs, dragons, unicorns, four faced beasts and invisible shape-shifting spirits
resurrection of the dead
calling down fire from heaven
world wide catastrophic flooding
Stars being angels
Time travel
Immortality and the END OF TIME itself

And do we believe it? ALL of it for what it says, not for what we can see based on our temporality or our own limited, mortal judgement? has society so warped our image of what is real that we no longer believe what Yahuah says?


Romans 10:16 KJV
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah saith , Yahuah, who hath believed our report?

John 3:12 KJV
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe , if I tell you of heavenly things?


cheers higher learning.

 

[Marvel]

excellent. Anyone wanna tackle why Yahuah (almost) made Ezekiel eat crap?

Its quite simple...just go a few verses down:

Isaiah 4
13 And the Lord said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.
14 Then said I, Ah Lord God! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.

He was drilling it to him that we will eat things that are not sanctified by the law because of our captivities. If you just look around it is quite easy to see that we love to eat abominable foods and in some places that our people are at like Haiti...we will eat an animal that dies on its own, killed by another animal and other abominable foods (lev.11 and deu. 14). Don't our people eat mud cakes in Haiti...that is unheard of...but our people do it...you cannot tell me that there is not shyt in those mud cakes. And everywhere we have been driven including here in Babylon, we eat the abominable flesh.

Spoiler

 

[Marvel]

There is a disconnect here that is troublesome. the Word of Yahuah is unbreakable and will never come back void. The issue is that people just don't believe, no matter how fantastic the information within it is, it is true, regardless of our societal discrepancies. There are concepts in the bible that transcend every physics book, every history book and every quantum theory, but people just don believe what is written.

In the beginning of this thread I planned to discuss every major BIZARRE biblical occurance, but for fear of atheist disagreement other posters would rather stick to the basic level 1 concepts that everyone is used to. So here we are at the very basic, beginner bible precepts and a majority of people don even believe them. Why fear something a person who doesn believe in anything has to say? Why allow another persons judgement compromise the unbreakable word of Yahuah? Are we as believers so flappable in our faith that an unbeliever can direct the course of a thread without saying anything?

The Bible discusses:

Fallen angels mutating the human genetic code
Giant men who were cannibals, some up to 30 feet tall
Satyrs, dragons, unicorns, four faced beasts and invisible shape-shifting spirits
resurrection of the dead
calling down fire from heaven
world wide catastrophic flooding
Stars being angels
Time travel
Immortality and the END OF TIME itself

And do we believe it? ALL of it for what it says, not for what we can see based on our temporality or our own limited, mortal judgement? has society so warped our image of what is real that we no longer believe what Yahuah says?


Romans 10:16 KJV
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah saith , Yahuah, who hath believed our report?

John 3:12 KJV
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe , if I tell you of heavenly things?


cheers higher learning.

Hebrews 5
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

There are levels to growth breh... you are still spiritual baby. You need to deal with the milk first and be weaned before you have the teeth to chew on strong meat.

 

[rapbeats]

There is a disconnect here that is troublesome. the Word of Yahuah is unbreakable and will never come back void. The issue is that people just don't believe, no matter how fantastic the information within it is, it is true, regardless of our societal discrepancies. There are concepts in the bible that transcend every physics book, every history book and every quantum theory, but people just don believe what is written.

In the beginning of this thread I planned to discuss every major BIZARRE biblical occurance, but for fear of atheist disagreement other posters would rather stick to the basic level 1 concepts that everyone is used to. So here we are at the very basic, beginner bible precepts and a majority of people don even believe them. Why fear something a person who doesn believe in anything has to say? Why allow another persons judgement compromise the unbreakable word of Yahuah? Are we as believers so flappable in our faith that an unbeliever can direct the course of a thread without saying anything?

The Bible discusses:

Fallen angels mutating the human genetic code
Giant men who were cannibals, some up to 30 feet tall
Satyrs, dragons, unicorns, four faced beasts and invisible shape-shifting spirits
resurrection of the dead
calling down fire from heaven
world wide catastrophic flooding
Stars being angels
Time travel
Immortality and the END OF TIME itself

And do we believe it? ALL of it for what it says, not for what we can see based on our temporality or our own limited, mortal judgement? has society so warped our image of what is real that we no longer believe what Yahuah says?


Romans 10:16 KJV
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah saith , Yahuah, who hath believed our report?

John 3:12 KJV
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe , if I tell you of heavenly things?


cheers higher learning.

you may have came in with good intentions on going to the next level. but if the folks listening are not ready and need to be fed the basics. give them the basics. or do you just want to bring up the next level stuff for you to feel like you did something special? think about it for a moment. we always have to watch that in ourselves. even when we are trying to do the right thing our arrogance and us looking for feel good moments can get in the way of God's purpose. right now the purpose may not be to go into the next level stuff. it may just be ground floor, surface level. cause as you know, if you cant grasp that we cant talk about the other stuff. you wont get it, it will go in one ear and out the other.

and to address what some call babes in this or rookies, or even non believers who are at least sitting at the table with an open mind. My own personal preference is to start with proverbs. Because those are things we have all heard since we were kids. from our parents, older siblings, grand parents, aunts/uncles, or some other old heads saying stuff. could even be thru TV/radio, etc. a lot of people dont even realize a lot of these "SAYINGS" are actually biblical proverbs. And they seem more practical and applicable for today (For the babes at least). but different strokes for different folks(thats in the bible too). everyone isnt fed the exact same stuff at the exact same time the exact same way all the time. Some scripts even when you're in church are not for you at that very moment. sometimes you are there listening and you need to just remember that for a later date in your life or for someone else you run into.

 

[rapbeats]

There are levels to growth breh... you are still spiritual baby. You need to deal with the milk first and be weaned before you have the teeth to chew on strong meat.

now lookee there. marvel pretty much said the exact same thing i just said. This is the kind of stuff that happens when God is behind something. see its one thing for one person to say something. its another for another random person to CONFIRM what that last person just said. no me and marvel did not PM or talk before posting.

 

[Chez Lopez]

Its quite simple...just go a few verses down:



He was drilling it to him that we will eat things that are not sanctified by the law because of our captivities. If you just look around it is quite easy to see that we love to eat abominable foods and in some places that our people are at like Haiti...we will eat an animal that dies on its own, killed by another animal and other abominable foods (lev.11 and deu. 14). Don't our people eat mud cakes in Haiti...that is unheard of...but our people do it...you cannot tell me that there is not shyt in those mud cakes. And everywhere we have been driven including here in Babylon, we eat the abominable flesh.

How about this verse:

Ezekiel 4:12

And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight

The reason why Ezekiel almost had to eat human feces, but then was Yahuah had him eat cow feces, was because he was being punished for the sins of Israel, similar to how Yahusha haMashiach was punished later for the sins of Israel(and the world) with His life. He was made to lay upon his side a certain number pf days for Israel while prophesying against it, and the same for Judah while prophesying against it. He was made to eat a specific regiment which represented how isreal would defile themselves amoung the gentiles. Ezekiel was bearing the iniquity of the entire house of Jacob as a sign for them to return to Yahuah and stop worshipping idols and the sun. This is the reason.


Ezekiel 4:3
This shall be a sign to the house of Israel. 4 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. 5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. 6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year . 7 Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered , and thou shalt prophesy against it. 8 And, behold, I will lay bands upon thee, and thou shalt not turn thee from one side to another, till thou hast ended the days of thy siege. 9 Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof. 10 And thy meat which thou shalt eat shall be by weight, twenty shekels a day: from time to time shalt thou eat it. 11 Thou shalt drink also water by measure, the sixth part of an hin: from time to time shalt thou drink . 12 And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. 13 And the LORD said , Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.


Ezekiel 4:15
15 Then he said unto me, Lo , I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith. 16 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, behold, I will break the staff of bread in Jerusalem: and they shall eat bread by weight, and with care; and they shall drink water by measure, and with astonishment: 17 That they may want bread and water, and be astonied one with another, and consume away for their iniquity.