The Official "Better Call Saul" Season 6 Thread (Final Season)

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He peeps him at the meth lab. He knows Jimmy made it out the desert somehow. He got all the info about the meth superlab and Werner Zeigler...I can't imagine that German dude he tortured for info (implied) didn't make any mention of Mike

Great point, there's all sorts of shyt Lalo might know now via that guy.




I'm starting to believe that Lalo appears in the BB timeline at some point. The Lalo reference in BB is from midway through season 2 (using what you said, Saul also asked if Nacho sent Jesse/Walt and we all know Nacho is long gone by this point) and Gus tells Hector the Salamanca name dies with him near the end of season 4, and with BB focusing on Walt & Jesse, there are gaps that could theoretically be filled while the events of BB are taking place (i.e. Saul having other clients than Jesse/Walt).

With Lalo's focus on Gus's lab, and Gus's lab still being put together when BB is taking place, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Lalo is killed while BB is taking place but before Gus shows Walt the lab

It's hard for me to believe all that shyt going down with Tuco and Hector if Lalo is still alive. Lalo would have to be so far out of the picture that he might as well be dead for Tuco to be acting like a kingpin and keeping Hector in some shyt shack in the middle of nowhere.
 

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The more I think about it, the more I gotta salute the show for making me dislike Kim. I understand why they're tried to "get" Howard but I don't think he deserved to lose everything.
 

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i think @Rhakim was just saying that Kim isn't the type of person that would live her life in hiding, on the run from the law. I'm inclined to agree, even though I agree with you that she's definitely more built for the criminal life in some ways than Jimmy is. But yeah, I can see her facing the music if she got caught and owning up to what she did instead of trying to take a new identity and live off the grid somewhere else. Doesn't seem like her personality type to me.

Kim wouldn't be hiding because of the law. She's hiding from the Salamanca's. Again, the Breaking Bad series, Saul STILL BELIEVES THAT LALO IS AFTER HIM. He doesn't or possibly will never know of Lalo's fate. So, whatever Lalo have for them in this series and Jimmy and Kim doesn't pull it through.... someone has to go into hiding. Them finding the vacuum card is foreshadowing of them using it.

Got nothing to do with the law, because Kim never did anything illegal.
 

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You said "Lalo is going to escape from there" and then jumped straight to Saul assuming Lalo is alive in Breaking Bad, which is what threw me off. Are you suggesting he's going to escape at first but then get caught up later?

It seems a bit convoluted to me for Mike to interrupt events at Jimmy's place, which somehow leads to Lalo escaping, but then Mike doesn't tell Saul and Kim at all when Lalo gets got for real? Mike still knows Saul in BB, so in your version of events he must know that Kim went into hiding, but he's not willing to tell Saul that Lalo is dead that he can tell her (or tell the vacuum cleaning man) that it's safe to come back. That seems pretty rough and unlike Mike.

More likely that Lalo extracts information from Jimmy and Kim using Howard's corpse as combination blackmail and threat and leaves under his own two feet. He gets got later by Gus (or Mike, or some big surprise twist) and Mike simply doesn't view Lalo's death as something he needs to tell Saul because he's only peripherally connecting Saul to the whole thing. Kim's issues come from the Howard shyt, either suicide or prison or getting killed in some surprising way.







You misread my statement badly and decided to go straight to attacking me in an unnecessary manner. I didn't say Kim was "better" or "worse" than Jimmy, but that she's never had to live the cockroach lifestyle on the streets like Jimmy has. This last episode just blatantly referred to Jimmy as a cockroach, and we already know that at multiple points in his life he was openly on the wrong side of the law and having to grind shyt out on the streets with other lowlifes. Whereas Kim's public persona has always been on the up-and-up no matter what shady shyt she's done, she's never had to hide, never had to assume a new identity, never had to grind on the streets. After she got out from under her mom's bullshyt she went to college, went to law school, went to HHM, worked her way up to a top lawyer there and was on track to become a partner, and even after she left is still in good standing in the legal community to the point where Cliff is ready to offer her a great opportunity.

For Kim to go into hiding would be a profound disruption from her entire life track. What would she be living for at that point? Her entire career would be gone, her dreams would be gone, what reason would she even have to live? I said she's not a cockroach like Jimmy because "survival" has never been her driving motivation. If she was in any sort of hiding like we've seen WW and Saul have to do, then she would have no upward track left, nothing to live for.

This is a Film Room thread breh, it's for entertainment. I'm not interested in the negative vibes. Leave the naked insults for TLR.

I said when Lalo seeing Jimmy & Kim. He's either Mike is going to come through in the clutch because he was still tracking Jimmy's house and Lalo escape or Lalo is going to leave the house on his own. Either way, the last6 episodes STILL going to leave with Saul THINKING Lalo is still alive. How'd we know this, because he was assuming Lalo was still alive in Breaking Bad.

Also, we do not KNOW Lalo's actual fate yet. We'll ASSUME he's dead because of what Gus said to Hector of being the last of the Salamanca's. It could be something like Jimmy actually doing to the police and bring in Lalo. We do not know. What we do know is in Breaking Bad, Saul still thinks Lalo is still alive and he or his goons can come after him at any point and Gus claiming Hector is the last Salamaca. Lalo could be dead or forever rotting in jail or whatever, but we do not exactly know his fate as of yet. I say, all of that to put emphasis on Saul not knowing Lalo's fate.

And Mike didn't tell Jimmy Lalo was still alive, so why you it's "unlike Mike" not to tell Jimmy/Saul everything? Saul in Breaking Bad didn't know a THING about Gus Fring outside of owning the Los Pollos franchise. Saul, in fact doesn't know anything extra that Mike does because Mike doesn't tell him everything. And he explained WHY to him in this series why he didn't tell Jimmy about alive still being alive and told Kim instead. So, IF and only IF Mike kills Lalo (again, we will not know), why you assume Mike will make it a priority to seek Jimmy or Saul about it? Mike doesn't want to be involved unless it is necessary.

Also, if something goes awry where Kim is not even mentioned in Breaking Bad, with Saul having the assumption of Lalo still being alive and coming back after him still, that means Kim will be dead in this series or she has disappeared. It is one or the other. I think is unlikely she'll be killed. The reason is I cannot see Saul being THAT SAUL in Breaking Bad as the aftermath of that. Kim pretty much more responsible to completely the Saul persona more than anything. So, Saul going full Saul behind that wouldn't make sense to me due to Kim's death. It is more than likely that Kim has to disappear. Them finding the black book and the vacuum card at the vet shop is indeed foreshadowing. And if the assumption of Lalo going after them is true, then Jimmy would do ANYTHING to protect Kim to include having her out of the picture completely. As of right now, she has integrated herself into the situation. The only way she can get out is by taking on another identity. And to say it's not like Kim, Kim the whole time been living a lie about her true identity. The entire series she's been masking herself, pretending to being this upstanding lawyer with morals. Only in truth is she IS no better or worse than Jimmy. That's why her flashbacks were important to showcase she's just like her mother, but even then pretending she's not. So, going off assuming another identity is right in her ally, because she's been masking her true identity all this time.

And this is why I said what I said about you either not watch the series or not even paying attention. You ask why Kim would throw her career away. Throw it all away? If you were paying attention, her true desire was never into climbing the ladder. She always rejected it at every turn. In fact, even in this LAST EPISODE, she literally made a U-TURN from a golden opportunity just to follow through with a freaking PRANK on Howard. And even when Jimmy told her she still can catch the meeting by lunch that they got it from here, she said and I quote, "NO, THIS IS WHERE I NEED TO BE". Kim DOES NOT CARE about her career. The turning point was when she had the car accident due to her being overworked and all of her work went into flames. That in itself is a methaphor and foreshadowing of Kim. All of her life's work will amount to nothing. She's going to disappear and assume a different identity. That's the likelihood.
 

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I said when Lalo seeing Jimmy & Kim. He's either Mike is going to come through in the clutch because he was still tracking Jimmy's house and Lalo escape or Lalo is going to leave the house on his own. Either way, the last6 episodes STILL going to leave with Saul THINKING Lalo is still alive. How'd we know this, because he was assuming Lalo was still alive in Breaking Bad.

My point being that Lalo leaving the house on his own is the far likelier scenario by your own logic. If Mike comes in to save the day, then either Lalo would die in front of Saul or Lalo would be so connected to Saul/Kim in Mike's mind that it's impossible to believe Mike wouldn't like Kim or Saul know Lalo's future fate.




Also, we do not KNOW Lalo's actual fate yet. We'll ASSUME he's dead because of what Gus said to Hector of being the last of the Salamanca's. It could be something like Jimmy actually doing to the police and bring in Lalo. We do not know. What we do know is in Breaking Bad, Saul still thinks Lalo is still alive and he or his goons can come after him at any point and Gus claiming Hector is the last Salamaca. Lalo could be dead or forever rotting in jail or whatever, but we do not exactly know his fate as of yet. I say, all of that to put emphasis on Saul not knowing Lalo's fate.

If Lalo is alive and in prison, then Hector is not the last of the Salamancas. And also, in that case Saul does know Lalo's fate.




And Mike didn't tell Jimmy Lalo was still alive, so why you it's "unlike Mike" not to tell Jimmy/Saul everything? Saul in Breaking Bad didn't know a THING about Gus Fring outside of owning the Los Pollos franchise. Saul, in fact doesn't know anything extra that Mike does because Mike doesn't tell him everything. And he explained WHY to him in this series why he didn't tell Jimmy about alive still being alive and told Kim instead. So, IF and only IF Mike kills Lalo (again, we will not know), why you assume Mike will make it a priority to seek Jimmy or Saul about it? Mike doesn't want to be involved unless it is necessary.

You're misreading me completely - I said it would be unlike Mike to allow Kim to rot away hiding in some hole somewhere not knowing if Lalo was dead or alive, if Lalo was the reason Kim had to go on the run.

Mike didn't tell Jimmy that Lalo was alive because he didn't think Jimmy could handle it and didn't expect it to be relevant to Jimmy's moves anyway. But if Kim went into hiding to get away from Lalo, and Mike knew Lalo was dead, it would be completely fukked up to force her to remain in hiding.

Only out I can think of there is if Kim had some coming to Jesus moment and wanted Jimmy to think she was still in hiding or dead because she needed to break free from him.



Also, if something goes awry where Kim is not even mentioned in Breaking Bad, with Saul having the assumption of Lalo still being alive and coming back after him still, that means Kim will be dead in this series or she has disappeared. It is one or the other. I think is unlikely she'll be killed. The reason is I cannot see Saul being THAT SAUL in Breaking Bad as the aftermath of that. Kim pretty much more responsible to completely the Saul persona more than anything. So, Saul going full Saul behind that wouldn't make sense to me due to Kim's death. It is more than likely that Kim has to disappear. Them finding the black book and the vacuum card at the vet shop is indeed foreshadowing. And if the assumption of Lalo going after them is true, then Jimmy would do ANYTHING to protect Kim to include having her out of the picture completely. As of right now, she has integrated herself into the situation. The only way she can get out is by taking on another identity. And to say it's not like Kim, Kim the whole time been living a lie about her true identity. The entire series she's been masking herself, pretending to being this upstanding lawyer with morals. Only in truth is she IS no better or worse than Jimmy. That's why her flashbacks were important to showcase she's just like her mother, but even then pretending she's not. So, going off assuming another identity is right in her ally, because she's been masking her true identity all this time.

You're completely ignoring the possibility of Kim being in jail.




And this is why I said what I said about you either not watch the series or not even paying attention. You ask why Kim would throw her career away. Throw it all away? If you were paying attention, her true desire was never into climbing the ladder. She always rejected it at every turn. In fact, even in this LAST EPISODE, she literally made a U-TURN from a golden opportunity just to follow through with a freaking PRANK on Howard. And even when Jimmy told her she still can catch the meeting by lunch that they got it from here, she said and I quote, "NO, THIS IS WHERE I NEED TO BE". Kim DOES NOT CARE about her career. The turning point was when she had the car accident due to her being overworked and all of her work went into flames. That in itself is a methaphor and foreshadowing of Kim. All of her life's work will amount to nothing. She's going to disappear and assume a different identity. That's the likelihood.

It wasn't just a "prank" on Howard. It was their route to getting the Sandpiper money. And she isn't throwing away her chance to help others with the law, she's always loved doing that. You're conflating her distain for a "corporate lawyer" career with her actual connection to helping people with the law, which in her mind are two completely different things.

If she gets vacuum cleaned, then what does her life look like? You seriously see her happy working at Cinnabon for eternity? That's the life she envisions for herself? That would be better than jail....how exactly?
 

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Kim wouldn't be hiding because of the law. She's hiding from the Salamanca's. Again, the Breaking Bad series, Saul STILL BELIEVES THAT LALO IS AFTER HIM. He doesn't or possibly will never know of Lalo's fate. So, whatever Lalo have for them in this series and Jimmy and Kim doesn't pull it through.... someone has to go into hiding. Them finding the vacuum card is foreshadowing of them using it.

Got nothing to do with the law, because Kim never did anything illegal.


Kim has done a fukkload of illegal shyt breh. :dead:


* Document fraud in the Mesa Verde expansion case

* Masterminded the fraudulent character witnesses scheme that kept the court from prosecuting Huell

* Was involved in the plotting of the illegal entry into Kevin Wachtell's home that led to the trademark blackmail scam

* Masterminded the Howard scam which included breaking into Howard's locker, grand theft auto, the fake P.I. fraud, and drugging Howard, all of which are illegal as fukk

* There's probably something illegal in what she pulled with the Kettlemans too

* She's associated with both Mike and Lalo, who she knows are involved in serious felonious activity, and has not reported on them



That's just the shyt that's gone down so far....we don't know what she might do in the next 4 episodes, or what she might be falsely accused of and take the fall on in order to protect Jimmy
 

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I thought he'd expose Kim

I was all ready for a knockdown dragout multi-episode fight with Howard working to take down Jimmy/Kimmy and them trying to evade him, not knowing how it would end......




The more I think about it, the more I gotta salute the show for making me dislike Kim. I understand why they're tried to "get" Howard but I don't think he deserved to lose everything.

Yeah, with both Walter and Kim they've shown the "breaking bad" in all its reality, not just fun-loving criminals but actually giving us the moral degradation going on inside. Most interesting part is that haven't gotten repetitive - Walter, Kim, Jimmy, Mike all broke bad but all have had unique journeys.
 

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Damn shame how they did Howard. It really puts you in this situation of do you hate jimmy or is he still a sympathetic character? Would any of this happened had Chuck believed in jimmy.

Props to Vince & co,. This last half is gonna be crazy
 

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That was not at all how I expected Howard to go. I thought he would end up killing himself or arrested but soon as I saw Lalo :merchant:

Now I’m even more worried about Kim :lupe:


I thought Howard had a gun and was going to shoot himself right there in Jimmy's apartment.
 

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bruh if Lalo was running shyt Walt and Jesse both would've gotten clapped over what happened to Gale

that BB is 3 seasons tops lmao

Lalo would’ve found them after tuco got murked. BB would’ve been a mini series if Lalo was boss.

:mjlol:

Also, Kim ain’t gonna die. They gave us a clue when they went thru the vets black book and she read the vacuum guys card. I doubt Saul would still have an upbeat attitude in BB if Kim got murdered.
 
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