The Official "Better Call Saul" Season 6 Thread (Final Season)

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You really did not watch this series at all if you think Kim isn't not just as bad as Jimmy, but WORST? It's exactly why Mike went to Kim to tell her about Lalo instead of Jimmy because she's about that life. They showed signs of this throughout the series. Her leaving everything behind to go into hiding because she fly too close to the sun is PRECISELY how things are heading right now. The vacuum card is obvious foreshadowing for this. Jimmy didn't event wanted to do the Howard scam, that was KIM'S idea and pressed Jimmy into it, and even when Jimmy said we should cancel, she vetoed that suggestion. This is who she IS!! It makes more sense that she pushed things to the point of no return and end up having no choice to but to disappear.
i think @Rhakim was just saying that Kim isn't the type of person that would live her life in hiding, on the run from the law. I'm inclined to agree, even though I agree with you that she's definitely more built for the criminal life in some ways than Jimmy is. But yeah, I can see her facing the music if she got caught and owning up to what she did instead of trying to take a new identity and live off the grid somewhere else. Doesn't seem like her personality type to me.
 

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I didn't say Lalo would be alive in Breaking Bad, I said SAUL WOULD THINK LALO IS STILL ALIVE IN BREAKING. That's how we first heard about Lalo and Nacho.

You said "Lalo is going to escape from there" and then jumped straight to Saul assuming Lalo is alive in Breaking Bad, which is what threw me off. Are you suggesting he's going to escape at first but then get caught up later?

It seems a bit convoluted to me for Mike to interrupt events at Jimmy's place, which somehow leads to Lalo escaping, but then Mike doesn't tell Saul and Kim at all when Lalo gets got for real? Mike still knows Saul in BB, so in your version of events he must know that Kim went into hiding, but he's not willing to tell Saul that Lalo is dead that he can tell her (or tell the vacuum cleaning man) that it's safe to come back. That seems pretty rough and unlike Mike.

More likely that Lalo extracts information from Jimmy and Kim using Howard's corpse as combination blackmail and threat and leaves under his own two feet. He gets got later by Gus (or Mike, or some big surprise twist) and Mike simply doesn't view Lalo's death as something he needs to tell Saul because he's only peripherally connecting Saul to the whole thing. Kim's issues come from the Howard shyt, either suicide or prison or getting killed in some surprising way.





You really did not watch this series at all if you think Kim isn't not just as bad as Jimmy, but WORST? It's exactly why Mike went to Kim to tell her about Lalo instead of Jimmy because she's about that life. They showed signs of this throughout the series. Her leaving everything behind to go into hiding because she fly too close to the sun is PRECISELY how things are heading right now. The vacuum card is obvious foreshadowing for this. Jimmy didn't event wanted to do the Howard scam, that was KIM'S idea and pressed Jimmy into it, and even when Jimmy said we should cancel, she vetoed that suggestion. This is who she IS!! It makes more sense that she pushed things to the point of no return and end up having no choice to but to disappear.

You misread my statement badly and decided to go straight to attacking me in an unnecessary manner. I didn't say Kim was "better" or "worse" than Jimmy, but that she's never had to live the cockroach lifestyle on the streets like Jimmy has. This last episode just blatantly referred to Jimmy as a cockroach, and we already know that at multiple points in his life he was openly on the wrong side of the law and having to grind shyt out on the streets with other lowlifes. Whereas Kim's public persona has always been on the up-and-up no matter what shady shyt she's done, she's never had to hide, never had to assume a new identity, never had to grind on the streets. After she got out from under her mom's bullshyt she went to college, went to law school, went to HHM, worked her way up to a top lawyer there and was on track to become a partner, and even after she left is still in good standing in the legal community to the point where Cliff is ready to offer her a great opportunity.

For Kim to go into hiding would be a profound disruption from her entire life track. What would she be living for at that point? Her entire career would be gone, her dreams would be gone, what reason would she even have to live? I said she's not a cockroach like Jimmy because "survival" has never been her driving motivation. If she was in any sort of hiding like we've seen WW and Saul have to do, then she would have no upward track left, nothing to live for.

This is a Film Room thread breh, it's for entertainment. I'm not interested in the negative vibes. Leave the naked insults for TLR.
 

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One random theory I've considered before even though it's not completely likely - Saul knows that Lalo is dead in BB but still thinks he may have tasked guys to stay after him before he died. He's scared of Lalo's men still being after him despite Lalo being dead.

Rewatching the scene that feels like too much of a stretch for them to try though. More likely Saul doesn't know Lalo is dead. (And I still find it pretty fukking unlikely for any scenario to come up where Lalo is alive....but I've only been good at forecasting the shyt BCS writers openly want me to see, not the twists they're hiding.)



Is Kim gonna get sassy with Lalo and catch a bullet or is she gonna piss him off trying to outsmart him? 🤔

She doesn't seem like she's in a sassy mood and Lalo doesn't seem the type to kill off emotions.

Plus Lalo has a very clear objective here and I don't think "leave a crime scene for the cops to get all excited about" is part of his plan, which is exactly what might happen if Jimmy is left alive but his wife is dead. Either Lalo is going to clean up Howard's death himself or he is going to make Jimmy and Kim do it, and he's gonna want them in a state of mind where they actually do it. I think he's using Howard's body as blackmail to ensure they do exactly what he wants them to do.




i think Lalo knows he's tapped in with Mike. He leaves a body at Jimmys crib he's might expect Jimmy to reach out to Mike about helping with the clean up or anything they should be doing. While Mike helps with that Gus is more exposed

That's an interesting theory, I hadn't thought of that at all. I'd been expecting Lalo to take care of the body himself after he got what he wanted from Jimmy.

Do we know that Lalo views Mike with any special significance though? For all we know he sees Mike as just another guy on Gus's detail and Gus has more than enough guys that a couple of them on a body isn't going to make a big difference. Unless I'm forgetting something crucial.
 

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One random theory I've considered before even though it's not completely likely - Saul knows that Lalo is dead in BB but still thinks he may have tasked guys to stay after him before he died. He's scared of Lalo's men still being after him despite Lalo being dead.

Rewatching the scene that feels like too much of a stretch for them to try though. More likely Saul doesn't know Lalo is dead. (And I still find it pretty fukking unlikely for any scenario to come up where Lalo is alive....but I've only been good at forecasting the shyt BCS writers openly want me to see, not the twists they're hiding.)





She doesn't seem like she's in a sassy mood and Lalo doesn't seem the type to kill off emotions.

Plus Lalo has a very clear objective here and I don't think "leave a crime scene for the cops to get all excited about" is part of his plan, which is exactly what might happen if Jimmy is left alive but his wife is dead. Either Lalo is going to clean up Howard's death himself or he is going to make Jimmy and Kim do it, and he's gonna want them in a state of mind where they actually do it. I think he's using Howard's body as blackmail to ensure they do exactly what he wants them to do.






That's an interesting theory, I hadn't thought of that at all. I'd been expecting Lalo to take care of the body himself after he got what he wanted from Jimmy.

Do we know that Lalo views Mike with any special significance though? For all we know he sees Mike as just another guy on Gus's detail and Gus has more than enough guys that a couple of them on a body isn't going to make a big difference. Unless I'm forgetting something crucial.
He peeps him at the meth lab. He knows Jimmy made it out the desert somehow. He got all the info about the meth superlab and Werner Zeigler...I can't imagine that German dude he tortured for info (implied) didn't make any mention of Mike
 

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Too bad we won't be able to have a scene with Walt, Gus, and Howard........to watch them "Out Neat" each other.
 
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I am not of the belief that better call saul dragged at all. I also went into it understanding it was a build up. As was breaking bad. Personally, being so invested in this universe, I feel like I've gotten even more than I anticipated. I put my ex wife onto breaking bad in earlier seasons, but like most people she really got into it later..which I do understand..but when they were talking about it being a half hour comedy in the brainstorming stages, I was on the fence. The show has surpassed what I thought it could be. However, I've been a fan of breaking bad since before it was a thing..and watched the replays of each episode like 3 times right away lol.. looking for everything, before it's heavy online presence..I've enjoyed every episode...

Its about the transition...

The it's too slow complaint I always found ridiculous
 

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Half these episodes were slow buildups
Breaking bad never dragged like this
This is just not true. Breaking Bad season 2 is one of the slowest seasons of TV ever, and season 1 was a super slow burn as well.

Also, slower pace and build up doesn't necessarily equal "dragging" in my mind. This show is a character study with plot points along the way. The pace is baked into the show.
 

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I am not of the belief that better call saul dragged at all. I also went into it understanding it was a build up. As was breaking bad. Personally, being so invested in this universe, I feel like I've gotten even more than I anticipated. I put my ex wife onto breaking bad in earlier seasons, but like most people she really got into it later..which I do understand..but when they were talking about it being a half hour comedy in the brainstorming stages, I was on the fence. The show has surpassed what I thought it could be. However, I've been a fan of breaking bad since before it was a thing..and watched the replays of each episode like 3 times right away lol.. looking for everything, before it's heavy online presence..I've enjoyed every episode...

Its about the transition...

The it's too slow complaint I always found ridiculous
I hate character development and well written dialogue. I need bang bang shoot shoot now!😡
 

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No way Lalo is alive in the Breaking Bad events and just lets all that shyt happen to Hector and his methhead nephew. Plus I'm pretty sure Gus tells Hector that he's the last Salamanca.

I'm starting to believe that Lalo appears in the BB timeline at some point. The Lalo reference in BB is from midway through season 2 (using what you said, Saul also asked if Nacho sent Jesse/Walt and we all know Nacho is long gone by this point) and Gus tells Hector the Salamanca name dies with him near the end of season 4, and with BB focusing on Walt & Jesse, there are gaps that could theoretically be filled while the events of BB are taking place (i.e. Saul having other clients than Jesse/Walt).

With Lalo's focus on Gus's lab, and Gus's lab still being put together when BB is taking place, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Lalo is killed while BB is taking place but before Gus shows Walt the lab
 

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Random thought:

Judging from what we've seen so far, if Lalo hypothetically had any reason to rescue Jesse and take out Nazi Jack and his crew like Walt did, he'd have very little trouble doing so.
 

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Where's Howard, Jimmy? WHERE... IS... HOWARD!!! JIMMY!!!!
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