The Official Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Movie Thread

[DeadandGone14]

Watched it and I don't know what to make of it as of yet, potentially a very good movie ruined.

Some thoughts, Batman and Alfred upstaged everyone. Superman the guy who is playing him is just bad, emotionless, wooden has that one expression on his face he's about to cry any moment now through out.
Him and Amy Adams do not work at all.

Lex Luthor as I expected is terrible, stunk up the place anytime he was on screen. Made me wonder what was his inspiration when preparing for this role? You would think he's playing the Joker or Riddler made no sense.

First half of the movie was surprisingly well given the negative reviews and then later Doomsday was introduced and that's when things became a random mess.

Take out the guy who is playing Lex and the unnecessary fight with Doomsday and you've got a good movie.

I myself think it's better then the Marvel movies with the Winter Soldier being the exception.

A solid movie ruined by the final act, that Doomsday was the worst shyt ever. Goyer and Zack are the problem here.

Justice League and Young Justice animated series can we get that team to take over.
The wait in the end didn't pay off.

I partially agree with this. But I feel like this is a result of Synder and Goyer. I felt like through out this movie I was waiting for Superman to just come out of and be the man we know him to be but it never happened.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Movie had potential to be a GOAT... Still does on the Bluray version. But it's a solid 8... If you liked MOS or Frank Millers Batman.

If you're looking for the goody 2 shoes Superman/Batman of the past then this isn't it. Not even close. Superman had more lines than people think but he could've had more. Should've cut out Eisenbergs dialogue for more Superman dialogue..

Villains can truly make a movie.

The Dark Knight is great and all....but lets be real...Its the Joker that sets it apart from other films. The villain has to be dope throughout to carry it to that next level.

Zack may have made the wrong move in updating Lex into a Zuckerberg type. I know he was thinking going with the OG Lex until he had Jesse in for an audition (which ironically was for another role. Scoot's part?) They crafted that part around Jesse's skills to bring the most out of him. Seems the brehs are mixed on what he did.

Imagine if Joaquin Phoenix was Lex like they wanted at first. @Swiggy

 

[Bryan Danielson]

And here's the line that's gonna get a whole bunch of people mad at me.......

So I'm gonna preface it by saying this 1st!

Ben was a hell of a Batman!!

But this movie doesn't get me excited about seeing another Batman movie!

I sure a fukk don't care for a Cyborg or Aquaman flick...... And they gonna have to show me something really smooth for Flash......... They Flash now looks like an emo weed head from Seattle that rides a skateboard

 

[gluvnast]

Spoiler

Elements of 'Injustice' in that Batman Knightmare sequence?

That's the 1ST THING I thought.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

this is wrong, I wish people would stop saying this shyt...DC followed the comics, just like marvel followed the comics...in DC, superman was the first world known super being, even though others existed, the rest were myths/legends and only locally known, including batman....after superman, the rest started showing themselves to the world....so it makes sense after MoS, others would show their face/start being known...to further illustrate this, DC literally says this in the first 10-20 secs of the SS trailer:

gen: rumor is some of them have abilities
waller: yes, the things I've seen....it's like superman was some kinda of beacon for the rest to creep from the shadows..


anyway, in marvel, they didn't have super beings just sitting around waiting to be known, they didn't exist..it took something to create them (accident/experiment/space travel/etc)...since that something was individual and happened at different times, eras, locations, etc.; marvel went with origin stories...just like they are doing in the movies....

I get what you're saying.

But we could have had another Superman movie and a Batman movie this year instead though

Then have them meet up in 2017 for BvS.

Then again time will be the best indicator for this film. Years from now people may say they overreacted

 

[mrken12]

And here's the line that's gonna get a whole bunch of people mad at me.......

So I'm gonna preface it by saying this 1st!

Ben was a hell of a Batman!!

But this movie doesn't get me excited about seeing another Batman movie!

I sure a fukk don't care for a Cyborg or Aquaman flick...... And they gonna have to show me something really smooth for Flash......... They Flash now looks like an emo weed head from Seattle that rides a skateboard

Serious question: are there any Aquaman fans here? Or anywhere? I've never encountered a devoted Aquaman fan in my life.

 

[gluvnast]

So its a good movie and the critics (RT) were too harsh?

I LOVED IT.... but even if it was an average film... the CRITICS were extremely harsh. Like there's no fukking way to bash this film this hard even if you tried to be unbiased about it.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Villains can truly make a movie.

The Dark Knight is great and all....but lets be real...Its the Joker that sets it a part from other films. The villain has to be dope throughout to carry it to that next level.

Zack may have made the wrong move in updating Lex into a Zuckerberg type. I know he was thinking going with the OG Lex until he had Jesse in for an audition (which ironically was for another role. Scoot's part?) They crafted that part around Jesse's skills to bring the most out of him. Seems the brehs are mixed of what he did.

Imagine if Joaquin Phoenix was Lex like they wanted at first. @Swiggy

I agree

Even though Lex did some foul shyt throughout the entire movie, it was a weird choice of his acting and mannerisms. He was just... Weird.

If he was just cold and calculating instead of spitting rhymes and riddles while doing some weird laugh then maybe it would've worked better...

But I get it, this villain HAD to be different and interesting. He's definitely that

 

[Devilinurear]

Loved it but then Again I liked man of steel. Batman needs some iron man armor ASAP.

 

[Drew Wonder]

My review from the Spoiler thread

Spoiler

It's an entertaining mess. About halfway through the movie after going "wtf" multiple times, I just said fukk it, stopped trying to make sense of the convoluted plot and just sat back and enjoyed the ride. And that's when I actually enjoyed it. If you don't approach it like its one of the Nolan films and look at it as more of an over the top comic book movie in every sense of the word then you'll like it. However, it's definitely one of those movies that hits you with so much epicness it'll distract you from its many flaws. So when I watched it I enjoyed it. But then after the movie when I thought about it I realized how flawed it was

The Good
Snyder knows these characters are iconic and he treats them as such, every scene had such an over the top gravitas to it that it truly felt like we were watching a modern day Greek myth at times. ie. Bats in the mech suit waiting for Superman. Wonderwoman jumping in to save Bats. The Day of the Dead paraders praising Superman after he rescued the girl from the burning building. This is where DC is different from Marvel. DC doesn't try and make these Superheroes relatable to us, the common man, they treat them like Superheroes and iconic God-like figures. The film reflected that very well


Afleck was great, action was on point, easily the best fight choreography in any Batman film I've scene(the scene where Bats saves Martha was ) Really did a good job of depicting a weary, pissed off and ruthless Batman whose been through a lot of trauma. And I loved all the scenes with him investigating the "White Portuguese," almost reminded me of a James Bond film.

Loved the montage of Superman rescuing people and the people viewing him as a God-like figure, great imagery from Snyder


Perry Black(lol) had some of the best lines of the film, Fishburne made the most of a 1-dimension role ("Crimewave in Gotham...water is wet" )

The mixing of talking heads discussing the moral dilemma of Superman was very well done, I could see those arguments playing out if Superman actually existed

The build up to the Capitol Hill bombing with the piss in the jar was great and extremely suspenseful

Alfred was great. Loved the relationship between him and Bruce. Jeremy Irons did well

Movie was beautiful to look at and definitely felt like a live action comic book.

The Mixed
Not sure how I feel about Eisenberg's Lex. It was a bold, unconventional move to basically have him play a slightly more sane Joker and Eisenberg fully committed to it. But the character got a little too over the top and grating with it. (Way too many damn speeches from Lex about Gods and men)

Cavill was aight. He definitely has the body language of Superman and looks very heroic. But he definitely had the most one-dimensional performance. Also, he ruined that Capitol Hill bombing scene with that stupid ass look on his face. A whole bunch of people just died Supes! Show a little more emotion. Also he has ZERO chemistry with Lois, I didn't buy their relationship one minute which lessened the emotional impact of the ending

I'm glad that they gave Lois stuff to do but a lot of her scenes killed the momentum and made an already bloated movie even more bloated

Wonder Woman was aight. Gadot wasn't terrible but she wasn't compelling enough for me to be excited about seeing her in a solo movie. She looked great in action at the end though. Definitely brought the necessary amount of physicality to the role and you could feel like she had a tremendous amount of power

The Bad

The story was a mess. Subplots that just went nowhere, Lex somehow knowing everything, where everyone was and who everyone was. Weird editing and scene transitions. Editing was terrible

The fight between Bats and Supes was great. The motivation behind it and the conclusion to it was not. You're telling me the all-powerful Superman couldn't just save Martha himself without falling in line with Lex's plan? He could magically hear Lois whenever she was in trouble but couldn't figure out how to save his own mom? And Batman, the "world's greatest detective" couldn't figure out that Lex was setting the whole thing up?

So Bats all of a sudden doesn't wanna kill Superman and becomes his friend in the span of a few minutes because their moms have the same first name? Lazy writing, they could've come up with a much better way for them to come to a truce

The editing of the scene in Africa was a mess. If there was more of an aftermath to Superman taking out the terrorist and then seeing all the people killed the later scenes with the public blaming him for the massacre would make a lot more sense and have a lot more power

All the references to the Justice League and a larger universe were either confusing or half-assed. Again, I hate this trend of franchise films of throwing in random shyt that makes no sense in the context of the individual story and then falling back on "Well, its just a reference to a future film in the franchise" excuse. That's a cop out. Bruce's dream sequences and that message from "Flash?" was just and took me out of the movie. The Knightmare felt less like Snyder trying to create some mystery and more of him just wanting an excuse to throw in a cool looking scene

Superman was so depressed and emo in this movie. I understand they wanna create some conflict with him but when you already have the darkest Batman in film history, brooding and mopey Superman just makes an already grim film even more grim. Having a happier, less cynical and more optimistic Superman would've made the conflict between the two more powerful. With all the homages to the Dark Knight Returns, that's the one thing Snyder missed. Frank Miller's ability to pit Batman's skepticism against Superman's eternal and sometimes blind optimism. Having both Batman and Superman be cynics lessens the conflict between the two

The email scene with all the other Justice League members was lazy. They could've found a better way to introduce them

Doomsday was cool I guess, though I feel like Lex's motivation for creating him was underdeveloped. I guess it makes sense if the whole time Lex is under orders from Darkseid as the ending implied but again, that's another example of the lazy, let's fall back on the teases to other films to excuse lazy writing copout imo

All in all, it was decent. Not the classic I hoped it would be and not the complete disaster that I feared it would be after reading the reviews. I'd probably give it a 6/10. Worth watching but a bit of a disappointment when you think about how much more they could've done with these characters if they had a better script and editing.

 

[Swiggy]

Villains can truly make a movie.

The Dark Knight is great and all....but lets be real...Its the Joker that sets it a part from other films. The villain has to be dope throughout to carry it to that next level.

Zack may have made the wrong move in updating Lex into a Zuckerberg type. I know he was thinking going with the OG Lex until he had Jesse in for an audition (which ironically was for another role. Scoot's part?) They crafted that part around Jesse's skills to bring the most out of him. Seems the brehs are mixed of what he did.

Imagine if Joaquin Phoenix was Lex like they wanted at first. @Swiggy

The only negative in characters I have a definite dislike for is Lex. Joaquin would have been dope, but not that "Oh shyt, yeah him!" feel.

Not sure who else I could come up with

 

[Rayzah]

I LOVED IT.... but even if it was an average film... the CRITICS were extremely harsh. Like there's no fukking way to bash this film this hard even if you tried to be unbiased about it.

I figured that was the case, especially when you look at some of the movies they rave about for Oscars aren't award worthy

 

[Bryan Danielson]

So its a good movie and the critics (RT) were too harsh?

the movie isnt bad...... but I dont think its "movie of the decade" yet alone YEAR worthy. The big scenes were pretty good but its flow was all wrong and almost felt Pulp Fictiony.... and not in a good way

 

[O.T.I.S.]

I partially agree with this. But I feel like this is a result of Synder and Goyer. I felt like through out this movie I was waiting for Superman to just come out of and be the man we know him to be but it never happened.

Well he will definitely be loved in the next one... So maybe then you guys can have your lighthearted, smiling, non-killing-terrorists superman you always hoped for

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

The only negative in characters I have a definite dislike for is Lex. Joaquin would have been dope, but not that "Oh shyt, yeah him!" feel.

Not sure who else I could come up with

I know Zack said he was thinking about including the Joker, but it would have been too cluttered (which it apparently already is)

Kinda why I wish there was 2 separate movies already and then this.. Imagine if Joker/Lex teamed up as villains on some The World's Finest shyt.